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False preg question-ANY HELP PLEASE!

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Heather
Yearling
Username: Lilredbuck

Post Number: 79
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 02:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if a mare is having a false preg, does she have milky type fluid from her teats? or would it be more of a clear type fluid? would the fluids cal levels change when testing if not in foal or would they stay the same?
 

Kathee McGuire
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 1497
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare bagged up and produced enough milk (or milk looking substance) one year that her 2 year old nursed.
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2356
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

THIS doesn't necessarily mean it's a 'false pregnancy' as those are rare. Your mare might have lost her foal after 35 days (after endometrial cups have formed). If this was the case, the mare would not cycle, and would continue to bag up as if bred, until she eventually comes back into heat. Yes, she would have milk in the teats, and yes, calcium levels change. I have one mare who has milk all the time, and the calcium level changes depending on where she is in her cycle. I'd advise having a vet check your mare if you're wondering, otherwise it's a long long road to insanity. (sounds as if you're 1/2 way there ) LOL
 

Heather
Yearling
Username: Lilredbuck

Post Number: 81
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, I think I've been on the insanity road for a long time now!LOL. some of the pics on my mare look very much prego and some do not. I think you both have seen her's under foal watch Dee's. I'm at the point where I'm really starting to wounder if she really is. She has shown so many signs that she is indeed in foal but with as long as she is going, it really makes me wounder.She has not shown any signs of heat since I bought her either. Vet says to just hold on two more weeks, if she hasn't done anything by then, she's probably not pregers. if that is the case, I won't be having her bred back until next year.
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2357
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I've seen her foal watch....and just went back to look again. The more I look at your photos (all the way thru foal watch) the more I think she looks unbred to me.
 

Heather
Yearling
Username: Lilredbuck

Post Number: 85
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so, if she's not bred, how long is it going to take before she starts cycling again?
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2358
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi heather, I did a search and found this earlier post, maybe it'll help.

Jos
Posted From: 137.186.22.12
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 05:20 pm:

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If a mare loses her pregnancy prior to about day 30-35, then she will be likely to come back into estrus ("heat") as soon as the CL left from the previous ovulation has regressed. This generally means that if she lost the pregnancy prior to 14 days, she will come back into estrus on the same schedule as she would if she hadn't been bred; on the other hand, if she loses the pregnancy after that point, she will generally lag behind by the same number of days as she was behind her regular schedule when she lost the pregnancy. There can be variables (such as a retained CL) but generally, it will be as described. Note that these mares will probably respond to prostaglandin by coming into estrus in 3-5 days.

Around day 30-36 of pregnancy some structures form called the endometrial cups. These secrete a hormone called equine chorionic gonadotropin or eCG. eCG is responsible for the encouragement of the production of further follicles, some of which ovulate, and some simply becoming CL's without ovulation. the end result is that there is an increased production of the hormone progesterone, which is secreted by the CL's. These structures will remain in place until about 120-150 days of pregnancy.

If a mare loses her pregnancy after the formation of the endometrial cups, she will not return to estrus until they have regressed at the 120-150 day mark.
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2359
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare did this last year (was bred in April)...and bagged up full with milk and everything....I looked at her constantly and thought "she just doesn't look bred", but she never came back into heat....until MARCH of this year. So, I am suspect she lost her foal after 35 days or so.
 

Heather
Yearling
Username: Lilredbuck

Post Number: 87
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Diana! I'm hoping, not likely, that she is still in foal and just a freak by holding on so long. or that she starts cycling again this year so that I can get her in early to be bred next year, too late to bred this year, summers are way too hot.



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