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Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 59
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a 6 year old, would be Maiden mare, I have owned her since she was a month old but had sold her for a year then got her back in late July. There is a possibility that there could be a stallion involved but no one has told me that she was exposed to him, though I wouldn't be suprised if they just didn't tell me about it if it did happen and I doubt they would tell me if I asked, so.... anyhow, what do you think? To me she looks full in the flank and looks to have a very lopsided belly... Please tell me it is my imagination!!!
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Michelle Bee
Breeding Stock
Username: Michellej

Post Number: 334
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Robin, from her side on photo she doesn't look pregnant to me. Do you have photos you could post from a few months ago to compare with?
Of course, if you are worried, it would be best to consult with your vet, however she doesn't look
to have the typical pregnant shape in the side on pic. :-)
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 60
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the best side pic I can find right now, from July...
[IMG]http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/murrini/IMG_7298.jpg[/IMG]
Her belly looks much rounder to me and what is really getting me is the fullness in her flank and behind her ribs, she never carries weight there but she definately is now. And he lopsided belly from the front view, that isn't her either. Right now she is definately not fat, we have moved to a considerably colder climate this winter (no snow where she was in the past and never below 30 degrees to 2' of snow and temparatures in the single digits, and we just came out of a 2 week long rain storm with temps in the teens) and dropped weight from it, we have increased her feed of course but she is still adapting. When I went out today she looked so different from herself that it instantly seemed wrong, so I'm hoping just hay belly, but her hay belly has never looked like that. I guess a few days will tell more, but it's that inital oh crap moment still... Thanks for the vote of no, it helps!
 

Michelle Bee
Breeding Stock
Username: Michellej

Post Number: 337
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 04:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, I'll be interested in the opinion of other posters...but she seems to have generally dropped condition (as you explained with the big change in climate). Five months after the July pic, I'd still be expecting a different belly shape if she was pregnant. I imagine you have her on a deworming program?
Is she showing any signs such as udder development?
 

Dee Jay
Weanling
Username: Djscoloredcorral

Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2009
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michelle: SHe doesnt look pregnant to me either. HEre are a few pics of my mare with her 3rd foal expected.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/BeckyRsideday343Small2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/BeckyLsideday343Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/BeckyFrontViewDay329Mar240 8Small.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/Beckyday315BackSmall.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/Beckyback01-03-08Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/102_6167Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/102_6162Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/102_6165Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/000_0261Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/100_5739Small.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/canadianhorselady/100_5535Small-1.jpg


These pictures go from day 343 at the top down to day 300 at the bottom. You can see how she has a good size belly and by day 343 she is V'd out at the bottom. She was also waxing up and about 2 days before she foaled, she started to drip, then the day she foaled she was streaming milk off and on for a few seconds at a time.

This mare is a textbook foaler.

DeeJay
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 61
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Michelle, I was hoping I was seeing things that just weren't there. She is wormed so that shouldn't be it, I'll head out in a bit this morning and see if it has gone down, I'm hoping she just got more than her share of the hay. No udder development, but I know maidens can go without showing there until late stage.
Thanks DeeJay, but I am familiar with mares that have carried before and the traditional signs, but I know from my reading that maidens can do tricky things and carry wierd and break almost all of the rules so that is where my concern is because this just isn't this mare... She looks very very very different than she has ever looked and my boyfriend (who is also an experienced horse person) even says there is something very different about her.
 

Dee Jay
Weanling
Username: Djscoloredcorral

Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2009
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robin: WHen this mare had her first foal, she was as big as these pictures posted. The only difference was she never had any udder at all. I kept thinking she was going to be in foal for a year. I was out to see her at Noon on the Friday she foaled, and nothing. No udder, no pacing, no rubbing of her tail, nothing but standing there looking back at me with a smirk on her face.

12 hours later she foaled a beautiful bay paint filly and a good size one too.- somewhere around midnight according to the foaling facility. SHe wasnt as V'd out as she was with the second and third foals, but there was still some indication of a v shape to her belly. I went out the next morning and she had a huge udder full of milk and was actually dripping milk. She was still smirking at me.
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 62
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well... No sign of her belly going down at all in the past 2 days, possibly a slight udder change (though I'm pretty sure she would only be about 7 mo along so I wouldn't expect much there right now anyhow), and I did a nail test this morning which quickly swung for a colt... so we will see.
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 63
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, 3 weeks later, here are some new pics...

Side:
[IMG]http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/murrini/IMG_8202b.jpg[/IMG]
Front:
[IMG]http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/murrini/IMG_8206b.jpg[/IMG]

What do you guys think? She has been acting quite different, she used to be very herd bound and an alpha mare, but now she spends most of her time way out in the pasture by herself and is quick to drop an argument, she dosn't seem to care about being alpha any more. She kicked the other day when picking up her hind feet, she has NEVER kicked since she was a month old learning to pick up her feet, and is grumpy and threatens to kick when feeling her belly. I have also noticed dried blood on her vulva for the past week. I however have not felt definitive movement, maybe a faint bouncing infront of her udder last night, but I can't swear it wasn't her gut working (she was eating), different than I have felt on her before though.
 

Jane Whritenour
Yearling
Username: Quarterhorsetimestwo

Post Number: 78
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robin,

Im a big believer in attitude difference in preg. mares!!! Ours sure is . My Mare will be due about May 18. ( 340 days) Her attitude is what made me insist that she was pregnant. Despite 3 vets telling me no. A blood test in late Sept. says she was 120 days along.
I say go with your gut feeling. Can you have a vet check her out. I dont think dried blood anywhere is a good thing.
 

Robin Culbertson
Yearling
Username: Murrini

Post Number: 64
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Finally getting some more info on the situation, they returned the stallion (it was a lease situation)in the middle of May last year, but she was trasnported with him that trip so I'm guessing that is when things happened. A friend came over yesterday and said she definately looks pregnant to him and like you say Jane, the attitude sold me on it even more than her looks. So we would be about 260 days, I segregated her yesterday to give her a special hay that I'm pretty sure is Fescue free ( I was thinking she was probly only about 210 days before). I'm pretty sure the blood is the capallaries breaking from the added weight on her system (already researched the crap out of that one when I found it!). Vet is 2.5 hours away over nasty windy trecherous road. We do haul horses over it, and are comfortable driving it, but aren't going to stress a preg mare when there isn't a major call for it. We pretty much do our own vet care up here and most people up here are VERY knowledgable in doing such... It's the trade off for getting to live in some of the most beautiful country, away from the masses of people, and have immediate access to unlimited riding, camping, fishing, etc.
 

Holly
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 1307
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robin the side view doesnt look preg but the front view does in the first set but not the second. The rumen is on that fuller side and a belly full of feed or hay will give that lop sided appearance. Wit her being maiden and only 260 days you may not see he show till the last month.
Do you have udder change pics?



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