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Pedal rotation in pregnant mare

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vanessa stokes
Neonate
Username: Nessy

Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

X rays have shown that my 3 month pregnant mare has 20 degree rotation of her pedal bone in her front feet due to laminitis. This is a very severe rotation and I now have to make some tricky decisions. Just wondered if anyone else has dealt with a pregnancy/foaling in a mare with this sort of problem and if so how it all worked out. also what are the possible consequences for mare and foal if I try to treat this problem with box rest (months of it) and remedial farriery and medication. Also any info on managing a laminitic mare with a foal at foot...box rest with a foal at foot is not an option so has anyone dealt with restricive grazing etc ? Sorry so many questions but any info would be much appreciated.
 

Nicole Barrow
Weanling
Username: Pegasus

Post Number: 22
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to hear that Vanessa. From my personal experience having a mare many yrs ago who had chronic laminitis, the vet told me that carrying the weight of the foal could be fatal. At the time I was very inexperienced and hadn't even picked up the laminitis myself. He diagnosed it after he AI'd her. She did not take and if she had I would have lutalysed it.

I'm not an expert, but I think there is a big difference in a pregnant mare with chronic laminitis and one with acute laminitis. Do you know when it started and what the cause might be? There are many reasons for it obviously but sometimes one has an idea why it happened. In the reading I did, it would be very difficult for her to have conceived with acute laminitis due to the pain so it probably started after the conceptus had attached?

Also, in my personal experience, box rest might be the worst thing you can do. Not only for the laminitis but for a pregnant mare. The most obvious reason is because good blood supply to the hoof is imperative.

Your most important asset here is a specialist master farrier who can tell you exactly what to do. He may need to shoe her with a specially made shoe and support. In my case, the vet recommended box rest and the mare started lying down and was in agony. The farrier recommended turning out in a small very sandy paddock. He trimmed her hoof short and dumped the toe and it worked. She hasn't had another laminitic episode to date. However, she did not have any rotation to deal with.

At the end of the day, each horse responds differently when it comes to treatment for laminitis and it's something that you'll have to monitor on a daily basis.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1615
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

check out Bobbi's thread she is dealing with laminitis. Ask about hydrotherapy and get a GREAT farrier and an awsome therapist if she stays in foal youll need it. lol
 

Ivette Armstrong
Nursing Foal
Username: Gypsy_girl

Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Go to this site and read as much as you can on the issue. Hoofrehab.com very good information on these types of hoof issues.
 

Bobbi Govro
Breeding Stock
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 998
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

vanessa: I can share laminitis stuff with you if you need. And, according to my "laminitis expert vet", chronic laminitis can and usually does turn into acute laminitis. My recommendations from many veterinary consultants were, to let her do as she felt comfortable. Box stalling her was not an option as it causes her to stand too much in the same spot and can be painful. We had her in a small field where she could lay if she wanted, stand if she wanted, or walk when she wanted. Lots of pain medication helps. Not recommended for pregnancy but sometimes there aren't alot of choices out there. Its a bizarre disease and sometimes you just got to try and see what works. I was also recommended to put her in track & quilt bandage supports on the lower legs...just an added measure of support; not that it does much for the hoof. A great veterinary staff and a great farrier will be a god send to you. You'll need them. Another thing to suggest, take her off of any grain with corn in it. They switched me over to more of a whole grain pellet or some other type of grain without a high corn content to keep the heat out.

Don't know if you have a pond at your disposal but I'll tell you that putting her the small field where we have a 2 acre pond with a clay base has done wonders for this mare. When her feet hurt or retain heat, she will go down and stand in the pond. Not only is it comfortable but I believe it helped keep the heat out of her feet and gave her some "cush" for standing on sore soles.

Look up Animal Health Foundation in Pacific, MO...great laminitis studies going on there and that's who consulted with my veterinary team. They are pretty darn awesome!

My thoughts and best prayers are with you. I hope you know you're not alone. I've got a dearly beloved mare going through the same issue and I'd be happy to lend a shoulder or be a backpanel for your frustration, its not easy to go through this.

I can also tell you that
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1616
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

clay is a natural "extractor" an an awsome healing agent
 

vanessa stokes
Neonate
Username: Nessy

Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you for your responses so far. I am spending the next few ays trying to decide whether to go ahead and treat her or have her put to sleep. the vet has said there is a slim chance she will come good enough to potter about a paddock but it is a slim chance. I am not sure if pottering about a paddock for the next twenty years is a good option? I am so confused as to what to do...I love her to bits and dont want her to suffer but also dont want her put down if there was a chanche she could have come good
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1621
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vanessa it doesnt make it any easier but youll know what and when you have to do something. Mybe you could get her thru the pregnancy and foals first 3 months then youd have something at least
 

Nicole Barrow
Weanling
Username: Pegasus

Post Number: 26
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very sorry to hear that Vanesssa.

If it's that bad that the vet thinks euthanasia is an option maybe it would be too painful to keep her alive just to try and get a foal out of her? She couldn't live on painkillers throughout her pregnancy and imagine seeing her suffer daily.
If she's not good enough to potter around a paddock at present, I don't see how she could carry the foal to term anyway.
To lose the foal during the long gestation and then have to euthanase the mare is also not a pleasant thought.
It's a difficult decision to make.
 

Missy
Nursing Foal
Username: Missy

Post Number: 13
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vanessa,
I rescued a mare that was in so much pain she was literal sitting on her butt to take the weight off the front feet. She had some rotation. We put her on meds (bute)was used the longest and had pads put on her feet, stall bedded deep to create a soft cusion at all times and she started walking better within days. Kept her on a grass hay diet and over time she just kept improving. One year later she was bucking and feeling like a 2 yr old. Sending you good vibes, it's a very tough decision to make.
 

Beth Walker
Yearling
Username: Bbhorses

Post Number: 63
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vanessa, I had a pregnant mare go thru exactly what you have going on. If you e-mail me at painted5266@yahoo.com I will give you a lot of info on what we went thru with her, just don't want to post a large story on here. Beth
 

vanessa stokes
Neonate
Username: Nessy

Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Beth, thanks you have mailed you.

Thanks to everyone else for the comments, still dont know what to do but hopefully will come to a decision soon enough.
 

Bobbi Govro
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 1002
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

vanessa: I certainly understand your frustration as I have dealt with the same issue. I can say, Blossom has done great in the last two weeks and we were at a point SEVERAL times when we thought it might be best to put her down. My farrier just came out yesterday and put some special shoes on her. Her laminitis is in remission at this point. Her hoofs are looking great (other than the obvious trauma that is showing up as a result of the laminitis). The prognosis is now "GOOD"...something I really didn't expect to see.

I'm sending you good thoughts and well wishes. Puttering around a paddock for the rest of her life isn't much for quality, you are right. It would be a tough decision for anyone, but with one in foal, I'd be tempted to ride it out and see how it goes. It certainly isn't ideal to have a prego mare on medication but it might be worth the risk when you find yourself in a "put her down" or "slim chance" option. I'm a little with Jenni on this one...I think I'd take a chance to try to get her through the pregnancy and first few months.

And, I was given a "slim to none chance" also...and made it through. I'm sending you prayers that you will too experience some improvement!
 

vanessa stokes
Neonate
Username: Nessy

Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you once again all for your replies. I have decided now to try and treat the mare and take her through the pregnancy. So keep your fingers crossed for us and with lots of luck I will be posting a picture of a new baby next year WITH HIS/HER MUM!!!! Bobbi - thank you for the information. Is Blossom in foal or not? Its very helpful to hear others experiences. I am very worried about the pregnancy particularly the pain relief issue but I am hoping that with the Imprint shoeing that pain killers can be kept to a minimum !



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