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About to buy mare- sweet until in heat- then insane. help?

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beth flanigan
Neonate
Username: Gelflingbeth

Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have only owned geldings before, and am thinking strongly about buying a 5 year old mare. She is wonderful, smart, cuddly,affectionate and a steal, great to ride- but the seller says when she goes into heat she becomes a nasty potentially dangerous ride. He said the last time she went into heat and he rode her she rared, etc. She is a fox trotter, has never been bred (that I am aware of- only 5 years old). he said his vet reccomended spaying her to fix this problem, is there any other alternative? Also- how likely is this indicitive of internal problems with her reproductive system? Are there questions I should ask him when I go see her tomorrow? Ie- does she do this when someone is on her back only or on the ground too? He said when she's not in heat she is amazing. I know she's not in heat right now, so I wont be able to see her bad behavior. Does depo help this?
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
Breeding Stock
Username: Tahra

Post Number: 183
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I worked with a 6yr old who was like this. The first 2 days of her heat she was awfule to ride. The vet put her on regumate and that worked well. She is now 8 and grew out of it at some time. No more meds for her.
 

Linda Bauer --Rebel due 4/3/09
Breeding Stock
Username: Llazyt

Post Number: 133
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beth I found this article. It is interesting. About 1/2 way down they talk about inserting a marble, I had heard about the marble thing but didnt really know how they did it.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/2003/1101/farmmanagement/horses/health.shtml
 

beth flanigan
Neonate
Username: Gelflingbeth

Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is wild! I wonder of there are any clinical trials. What are the odds that this horse will prove to be healthy and just "hormonal" versus the estrus aggression meaning something medically wrong? Is this a strong reason not to buy the otherwise perfect horse?
 

Kim Peavy/Blk&White Pinto Colt 6/16
Breeding Stock
Username: Lovemysinbad

Post Number: 298
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few people at my barn had the vet put some type of patch into their chest...they actually implanted it, it lasted for about 6 months..thru strong breeding season...it really helped them...I don't remember what it was called though..sorry
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 2187
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WRT the OP: It might not be a bad idea to have a reproductive evaluation performed by a veterinarian that is familiar (experienced) with equine reproduction. Although it is unlikely - especially in a mare so young - there could be some physical issues causing the responses. As "spaying" is not a term usually used relative to the equine ("ovariectomize" is the more common term), you might want to consider that when selecting a suitable vet - "spaying" is a term common to small animal veterinary practice. Remember too that when you remove the ovaries from a mare, you are actually removing that portion of their anatomy that has the ability to prevent estrus! It is the CL that forms on the ovary following ovulation that secretes progesterone that keeps the mare from being in "heat". Removing the ovaries can result in a mare that is in persistent estrus - it is commonly performed to create "jump" or "tease" mares for semen collection in AI programs. And once you remove them, there ain't no putting 'em back...!

What to do? I would probably start with a good reproductive work-up by a knowledgeable veterinarian - preferably a theriogenologist. They then should have some suggestions based upon what they do or don't see. As this is a mare you are looking at purchasing, include this as part of your pre-purchase vet check, or if the mare is not that expensive, either take the risk, or get the seller to pay for the evaluation.

WRT the marbles: Yes, there is peer-reviewed research that confirms the success in suppression of estrus in a percentage of mares who have had a marble >35 mm in diameter placed in their uterus. Suppression of estrus occurred in between about 45-70% of mares (depending upon which study you choose to believe :-) ).

WRT the use of Depo-Provera: There is research that indicates that Depo-provera will not maintain pregnancies in mares who are progestin-challenged, so it is debatable if it will impact cyclicity. It is also worth considering that te issue with this mare may (note "may") be related to the ovulatory process and pain associated with it, and although progestins can suppress estrus-behaviour, they will not necessarily suppress ovulation. Hence, even if Depo-provera were to have a positive impact on cyclicity (debatable) it may not have any impact on the problem this mare is evidencing. The same may be seen with any progestin therapy (including implants and Regumate).
 

Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 323
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What the heck does WRT mean? I only know English.!!
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1272
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok I have not tried it but I know a gentleman who swears by it he rides a mare to rodeo and calf roping events shes very good but he cant stand her cycling so he feeds her out of a copper pan something about the copper stops or cools the heat cylcle. I imagine a copper suppliment would work to. He says just so they get a little copper each day
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 2191
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"With Respect To"

...and I am English... :-)
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1277
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL I think she ment that she doesnt understand short hand or chat speak.
 

Kim Peavy/Blk&White Pinto Colt 6/16
Breeding Stock
Username: Lovemysinbad

Post Number: 305
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 07:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard of the copper thing too...a cowboy I took a mare to break and train for me, said his daddy always liked mares and he kept a copper wire in the water trough all the time to keep them from cycling....old wives tale? Who knows...but he said it always worked for his mares....hmmmm
 

Jos
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FWIW ( :-) ) you'll run into some old-timers that tell you that putting a copper penny in the mare's water trough will give you a higher percentage of fillies.

Of course, I guess that must be different old-timers from the ones that are telling you that copper will stop the mare from cycling!
 

Angela Crump
Neonate
Username: Rockabillyangel

Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have never heard of the copper for that!! How interesting!

I would get a vet that specializes in reproduction to do an evaluation on her, and then if its just how she is when she is in heat, have the vet give u some options of how to deal with it. They make supplements for mares, when I was little my mother had a mare that would get more "excitable" during heat, and my mom started feeding her this supplement called "moody mare" and it worked great!



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