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Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, Bonny, started a new one here, as the other was getting slow to load for me.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok No problem!

Please go back to the old thread to check out the latest pics! :-)
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

already did, and commented on them too!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Diana!

This mornings pictures.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08001.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08003.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08006.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08002.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

when you take photos, try to get her standing square....when she's shifting her weight, it makes bulges where they typically wouldn't be. She's getting closer, hang in there girl!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny & Diana: Sorry, I had to bail last night as well...had to get two mares bred...was unsuccessful though...Lena is still in the last stages of heat and little filly Taya ran the fence whinnying for her daddy. So needless to say, he was more worried and upset about getting back to his daughter than he was in the other two mares who are not showing any heat cycle yet.

Bonny: YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BABY TODAY...That's my guess and I'm stickin' to it! Keep an eye on her. As a maiden and she looks pretty petite (sorry if I'm interpreting the pictures wrong) but she's got a pretty good size foal in there. Just watch her that she doesn't get hung up on the shoulders or hips when she's delivering. These poor maidens sometimes don't have a clue what's happening to them.

I'm so excited...you definately have it all figured out now. And your comparison photos prove that. Now you know EXACTLY what I was talking about. You will be able to see this going forward each and every time you have a mare in foaling mode. It will blow your mind that this will become second hand in guessing when their foaling date will be.

If she doesn't have this baby today you are teetering right on the edge. There is no way (just my opinion) that she will make it to the end of this week!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: Oh...and if there's any doubt...just look at the fullness change even since just yesterday! That same boxed in area that I was showing you last night??? Well...lookey, lookey at how much fuller it is today!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bobbi, I am shocked you say that! She doesnt look big enough in the udder to me and her tail still has resistance! Clear udder fluid.

I do have to say though that yesterday and today she has been very clingy to my Paint mare, jumpy and nervous again where as the last week or so she has been grouchy pants.
 

corina gabel
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my madian foaled with 1/2 udder and cear fluid l5 hrs before she foaled and she did it in broad day light!!! 3 in the after noon. i have a slide show the first pictures are 5 hrs she foaled then the last are of the baby.
the slidshow

http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/newyearsbaby05/?action=view&current=9c7 b8dff.pbw

the sideshot
http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/newyearsbaby05/?action=view&current=DCA M0054.jpg


the fullness is very apperent in your mare. Dont let milk change mean everything! i thought it was preat big to but again her milk was clear/yellow when i took this picture at 10 am she foaled at 3 pm
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok I went back out and took more pics, I guess baby moved because the bulge is gone.?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08014.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08017.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08025.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08032.jpg
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks corina, I just dont know about this mare!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

it isn't gone....it's still there
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana please circle it again because I guess I just dont see it! I must be blind!:-)LOL!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: LOL! Its still there! I think you're looking too hard. Its not going to be like a hard lump or an obvious buldge type thing. It really is just a fullness. I wish I could find a better way to describe it that would help you more. But trust Diana, hehehe, she's right...its is MOST definately still there.

I'm telling you...you are right on the edge of "foaldom"...I'm excited!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: Here are your photos back...*smile* you are getting really close!

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/Bonnys%20Mare/?action=view&c urrent=BonnysMare1.jpg
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/Bonnys%20Mare/?action=view&c urrent=BonnysMare2-1.jpg
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/Bonnys%20Mare/?action=view&c urrent=BonnysMare3-1.jpg
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Post Number: 1068
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are very close she looks just like my mare Nugget check her out this is her 1 month before foaling http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2150952880100781181webDjG?vhost=pets

this is her 1 day before foaling http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2755781050100781181SLkjGr?vhost=pets

and her and Catcher http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2863194040100781181RFKBbe?vhost=pets
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bobbi, I guess I am blind to it, or maybe I will catch on eventually! I guess to me she always looked full there!

Jenni- thank you so much!!! Bonny does look like your Mare! Thats amazing! Was Catcher her first?
Her belly shape is like Bonny's thats what stands out to me.

I am going to watch her close. She is under camera at night( Thankies to Diana- your the best!) so I can see her from my bed! LOL!
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes this was Nuggets first.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jenni is Nugget going gray? She looks so much like Bonny and I think Bonny is going gray but she could be a red roan. Not sure.

Yall forgive me for acting like a nutcase. One day I think yes and the next I am not sure. Thats why I need y'all so much! Yall have been great to me.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: Hey Girl...we've been there. You don't sound any different than the rest of us did this year! LOL! Foals make us nutcases...all of us...no matter how many you have in a lifetime...each one will send you over the edge!
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nugget drove me crazy one day she looked like a whale the next she was ity bity tiny. I would say that your mare is a silver bay roan. Thats what Nugget is Catcher to. Pretty sure on the silver part Im guessing youll have a happy healthy colt before a wk is out.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Yall! This is such a great place with great help!
I am feeling the same way Jenni. One day she is big and wide next she is skin and bones!
I want yall to remember when this is over and Bonny finally has a foal, ShyAnne is still 6 months Friday and she is due mid Jan! But the best part is at least I know she IS preg and When she IS due.
This whole she is, she isnt preg thing with Bonny is what has me crazy.
I sure hope I have not taken you all to the looney bin with me!LOL
I will keep yall posted and ask about a million more questions!:-)
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol dont worry I wasnt sure if or when Nugget was due either and my Happy Appy is due any day and I just found out shes bred so Ive already been to the looney bin at least with you there i'll know i have company lol
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) :-) :-)

I am so glad to have y'all!


can you post pics of her?
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

appy appy is under the july watch
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Post Number: 1076
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/564681881FluATF?vhost=good-times
here she is
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jenni your appy is very pretty!

Udder is down from this am didnt stay full.
Bobbi & Diana-
And tonights pics. See anything different?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08076.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08086.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-29-08087.jpg
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bobbi and Diana this is from May 25th I see the fullness in this pic, thats why I thing its just her shape. Do you see it here also?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/5-25-08020-2.jpg
close up:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/5-25-08020-2-1.jpg

(Message edited by Bonny on July 29, 2008)
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I don't see it there....and I believe she'd technically be classified as a dun roan. I had one of the same color, and AMHA renamed it from blue roan to dun roan.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've probably said this before, can't remember...but her udder will often be full in the am, and not so much in the pm...when she is full in the am, and full in pm too....you're usually THERE.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I watched her last night and she laid down to rest a lot. I was hoping to go out and see a huge udder and LOL, nope smaller in the am than yesterday.
I question myself constantly. I think I see something then I think I made it up.


I dont even know for sure that this mare is this far along. I feel like I have done next to everything possible that I can do to determine if this mare is bred and how far along she is.
I am frustrated and very tired, I dont want to be watching her like this if she isnt due till next Feb or April!
The only option I have left is to let my inexperienced vet rectal US her and I agree that is probably not such a good idea. But I am not sure what else I should do. And he hasnt called back yet, adding to my frustration.

I am sorry to vent. no.gif I am a nutcase right now. I seriously dont know how yall do this over and over! I really want to say that for me the most frustrating thing is the not knowing when! Now- November, or Feb or April. My Paint mare is due in Feb and at least with her I know when to start watching and that she IS preg & due then!

I did contact wee foal and asked if it was at all possible that the last test I took ( a week ago) could pick up a 75 day gestation, and she said it was possible but was going to send my explanation to Dr Henderson. So with that we could be looking at early gestation bag development.
But what counters that is the wideness of her belly. See how this goes round and round? wacko.gif

Hubby is taking me out on a date tonight ( thank goodness) watch her foal while I am gone! laugh.gif
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With all that said, I want to be sure to say thanks. Yall have tried so hard to help me and my doubtfulness has to be aggravating yall. I am about at the point of tears this am.

I just want to know for sure so I can be there for her to help if something goes wrong.
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Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny I understand your fustration I started watching Nugget in Dec She didnt foal till late April. Her bag went up and down somenights I would swear she was in the first parts of labor but nope she wasnt. I had her pulled up into hubbies shop (bc we had flooding) for well over a month the night she foaled I had turned her out for exercise into the lg pasture and when I went out at 10 pm I couldnt catch her. The next morning I found her laid down with Catcher. When she finally did foal her bag was full for a wk with out any fluxuation If she got white milk before foaling it was the evening before bc i did not get to see it.
My advice to you is to check her in the am and before bed when her udder starts holding a size check her in the middle of the night but be sneaky about it.
SHE IS preggo on that I have no doubt. Nugget was huge cpl of months before foaling (not fat) but slimmed way down right before foaling bc the baby lined up he wasnt sticking out her sides no more.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jenni. I called and have an appointment with the vet at 1:15. I am going to have a rectal US done. I will let you know what he says.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: LOL...its ok to feel frustrated, we've all felt that. Then we start trying to hard and then we second guess ourselves and then, when least expected, we find a baby. Foaling is not for the weak of heart. LOL

I'll be curious when your vet comes out if he reaches in about wrist deep and finds a foot! LOL!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Bobbi! I will keep yall posted!

I am just a silly nut case wacko!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: BTW...I agree with Diana...I don't see the fullness in the old picture. But, then again, I have failed you in my prediction. I just knew I was going to log on today to find you jumping around exclaiming how wonderful your new baby is! LOL!

"silly nut case wacko"...why then you'll be relieved to know that you fit right in with good company!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, it'll all be ok. Your DUHH is getting serious, and a good date would do you good. Don't get too hung up on all that "after the date" stuff though....you're supposed to be sitting in front of that camera watching the mare! LOL I don't see how Bonny could be so huge and so wide with all these signs, and not be really close. One thing I am POSITIVE OF, she's not 75 days!!!!! She's way closer to the end.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana: I agree....hahaha...75 days??? OMG...if that were the case, she'd be birthing an elephant!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks yall! I hope I am not driving yall crazy!
 

Bonny
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Its a no go on today for the US. Bonny was rearing up and thrashing around in the trailer. I was afraid she was going to get hurt or God forbid abort. So I put her back in the pasture.
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She'll foal a healthy colt soon dont worry enjoy your date tonight. A vet has to get really good to tell you much except the foals position. After so long they start to mature at their on rate so its doubtful that he could give you an acurate do date anyhow. When you look at her from the front does she still look like a beached whale?
 

Bonny
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This is pictures from just now. I think she is still pretty wide Vet can make it to the house tomorrow to do the US so 230 tomorrow. Ha ha unless she goes tonight from the fright.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-30-08008.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-30-08021.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-30-08028.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-30-08011.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lynn, she doesn't look as wide today....and I'm sticking with filly!
 

Bonny
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Ok so is Bobbi's name lynn?

I want filly from her and colt from Shy.

If this is a filly we are naming it Bella.
If it is a colt its name is Snuffaluffagus (aka-Gus)
My niece came up with that,:-)
 

Diana Gilger
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OK, nobody here is named lynn....that is the lady who bought my leopard colt, and I was just writing her an email.....therefore, you were mistakenly called lynn!!! What a scatterbrained idiot I am.....
And what a fan of Sesame Street you are! LOL I love Snuffaluffagus~~~~~
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Username: Bugrace2000

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Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shes still quite wide but is definatly getting close. Stay in there sometimes close seams to last forever. Let us know what the vet says
 

corina gabel
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ohh im even getting nervious and tierd for you!!

ill check back in the am keep us posted.
 

Bonny
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Ok vet is still coming at 230 I will update after he leaves!
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anxiously awaiting news!!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Hahahaha...no Bobbi is really Bobbi.

And, your vet won't actually be able to give you a due date, but he/she will be able to tell you how far gestation is...(ie: approximately 3 months, or 9 months or 11 months, or..you get the picture).

Each of my mares is built differently and carry foals differently...some are wide and stay wide right to foaling, others are what I call "Belly Hangers" which is basically they carry foals low in the belly and are not wide but rather have more of a saggy appearance. There are so many "signs" out there but I personally have found that the only "right on" true sign of impending foaling is a white balloon followed shortly by (hopefully) two front feet and a nose. Hahahahaha!

Let us know what the vet says.
 

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I am so excited!!!

The vet was able to do the rectal US. He wasnt able to get the probe in as far as he wanted to determine fetal size. BUT
he does believe her to be AT LEAST 6 months! He said she could defiantly be more, but with out being able to go far enough in, he cant be certain. He also did talk to a repro vet who told him that if he double checked with external US that if she was in the last month the foal would be able to be seen through the bottom of the abdomen.Which he did not see. Now he did say he wouldnt be surprised if she was to foal sooner, as she has been so complicated thus far!
He also said her uterus is way to big to hold a 75 day fetus!! He could see fetal membranes.

So she probably wont foal tonight( giggle giggle)
but she could soon as even though he 'felt' she was about 6 months he felt she looked bigger, and could be with in a month. He said watch her and if that udder starts growing again, let him know.
So I am still on foal watch, ugh, but at least I know I am not crazy and there is a live foal in there!!!
 

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Ok I am going to be posting new pics,and a video because I have a question!
 

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Bonny, i am so happy that you are finally convinced! *the rest of us have known all along...** She's wayyyyy further along that 6 months, and I'd bet due very soon.
 

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Ok yall said she would get more relaxed and jello butt:Is this it?
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=7-31-080 30.flv
And that her tail would have less resistance:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08003.jpg


And yes I now believe she is preg and not 75 days!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08009.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08011.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08023.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08024.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08027.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08029.jpg


PLEASE feel free to comment on all pics!!!
 

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BONNY GLAD YOUR CONVINCED SHES PREGGO! LOL! SHE IS STILL LOPSIDED SO THE BABY IS NOT INTO POSITION YET. WHEN HER SIDES START TO FLATTEN OUT THEN YOUR GETTING REALLY CLOSE. IT LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS STARTED TO JELLO OUT BUT STILL COULD GO A WAYS ON THE OTHER HAND THE TAIL HEAD AND JELLOING ESNT SEAM TO BE AS NOTICABLE IN THE MINIS AS IT IS THE BIG HORSES. i THINK YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LATE AUG. SEPT BABY HOPE IM WRONG JUST A GUESS HANG IN THERE
 

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Bonny, i'm going to stick to my original date of August 25th or so....but I believe you may see baby in the teens. You can tell in the second photo that her hips are beginning to dip. And her belly profile has changed noticeably in the past few days. When you lifted her tail....was she trying to pull it back down? If it lifted very easily, you might be sooner than all of us has predicted.....her bulge is higher on the flank now, almost to her back....how does her vulva and udder look?
 

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Also wanted to add that her vulva will really elongate before foaling
 

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It was easy to lift her tail but there was resistance, before she wouldnt let me lift it. Now I would say she 'let' me so I guess that means she is more relaxed. But yea she tries there just either isnt enough effort or she just cant. I will try again in the am.
Udder still the same, vulva ??? seems to look different all the time.LOL.
see:kinda gappy today.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08028.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-31-08013.jpg
 

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Bet you never thought youd pay this attention to a horses butt lol she doesnt look quite long enough to me yet. It will get long enough that you wont have to wonder if your seeing things. I still say Mid Aug to early Sept ug. 30th just to guess
 

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The wrinkles in her vulva will be gone, and it will stretch out lengthwise. You'll notice it....and even stranger than paying attention to your horses butt.....my hubby thinks i"m a weirdo for looking at pics of other peoples horses butts!
 

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Bonny: LOL! I wish that I had the picture of Echo on here 2 days before she foaled...she was so lopsided that it wasn't even funny. So, in my opinion, how and where they carry it doesn't always indicate anything. I think she is getting real soft in the tail/butt area from your video.

I'm still saying you won't even see the "teens" of August. Hope I'm right. *Giggle* I personally don't see that you could go until September...if you do, you better be prepared to get an elephant trainer under contract to halter break the wee one...HAHAHAHA
 

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I was thinking the same thing after I thought about it for a while....the teens are still 2 weeks away, and I don't think she'll go that long. I could not lift my mare's tail like that until the night before she foaled. Lopsidedness is typically a good indication, but not all mares go "flat" on the sides, and sometimes you REALLY have to look for it. It's sometimes very hard to see in minis.
 

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Bonny, did you get the distilled water and do the milk test yet??? It would give you a great idea of where you stand.
 

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Diana: Hahahaha...your husband sounds like my husband. He's always like, "It would serve you right to get a mouth full of hoof for all the backend looking you do on these mares"...I tried once to walk him through the foaling changes on a mare and when I first suggested him to check her vulva, he gave me that "Uh no, not in a million years look"....hehehehe! (He makes me pull calves too. It makes him gag. LOL!)
 

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Bonny: Do you know the color of the stallion?

I say that we have a foal sex/color contest to bide the time...what do you say Diana?
 

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I wsih he could have gotten the prob in further to see the foal. He could only insert his 2 fingers to hold down the back of the probe. So he didnt get deep at all.
I dont know how deep one normally has to go to get a good look but it would be nice to know, as that may shed some insight to how he could see a big uterus and foal membrane only being in about 4 inches. To bad we didnt see little hooves!

If anyone can tell me how far a probe is inserted to see I would appreciate it.

Ok and yea, my hubby alsowonders why I look at her hiney and her udders. LOL, last night he asked me" dont you have enough pictures of that yet?" and" your weird" LOL!!! "Done studying that thing yet?"

Also stally #1 was a sorrel pinto.I never got a good look at him.

Diana WHY could you not lift the tail? Was it the resistance she did or the muscles wouldnt allow it?


My Vote:
I say a bay pinto filly born Aug 23rd @ 2:15 am.
 

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Couldn't lift the tail, cause she could pull it back down....quite simply! when they are loose in the back, they can't . I wish you had a better vet, I really do. First of all, in response to an earlier post about abdominal us....My vet, who is an equine reproduction specialist....and is very well versed in sonography of all kinds, has a hard time finding full term foals thru the abdominal wall. I took my mare in 2 weeks b/4 foaling, and it took about 30 minutes to find a baby's rib. It's hard thru the abdomen. As far as rectal US goes, I am quite shocked every time I see them do it...and I expect it will come out the mare's mouth if it goes much further. They go prety far, but I cannot give you an exact length.
I bet you get a solid color filly, maybe white socks and facial white.....and I'm gonna go with 7 am. August 7th or 8th.
 

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I guess Colt Aug 30th at 3:30am.
when it comes to looking at horse butts my husband gets it and even does a little checking himself but my 16yr old sister who lives with me has decided that im into horse pornography; and in need of mental help. lol
Guess its a good deal she has a gelding bc i really dont see her checking vulvas and udders
 

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LOL, Jenni!

Today she had more strength in her tail so I guess she was letting me lift it yesterday. After the US I guess she decided she wasnt lifting that tail or who knows what we would do to her next!LOL

And its good to know that they can go deeper because he didnt at all. He went as deep as 2 fingers on the end of the probe for pressure and thats it.
 

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Oh and I didnt do the test yet, I dont know that I can get enough fluid but I will try.
 

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it only takes one cc...that's just enough to cover the bottom of a 2 oz dixie cup
 

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OK...my guess...Sunday, August 3rd, at 11:30AM and it will be a dark chestnut roan with a few little white spots and it will be a colt.

(Boy...Diana's gonna laugh at that one...think I'm pushing for a sooner than later date?!?!?! HAHAHAHA!)
 

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Ok I could only get 3 drops out of bonny. I know how to milk as I have milked goats. There just isnt anything there, not to mention she wanted to kick me.
Bobbi, my sisters birthday is Aug 2nd.

I think we will see the 20's and it will be then. Is it possible for her muscles to relax and tighten then relax again?
 

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yes its possible fore the muscles to relax then tighten back up or at least seam to.
 

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Ok I am posting some comparitive pics. Tell me what yall think.


7-17-08
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/Copyof7-17-08079.jpg
8-2-008
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/Copyof8-2-08014.jpg

7-17-08
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-17-08006.jpg
8-2-08
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-2-08017.jpg
 

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Well, she's grown quite a bit hasn't she?! Wow... and her flanks are filling out nicely and her belly is dropping lower, other than that no major changes that I'm aware of. what a pretty girl!
 

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She is filling out nicely but i stick with my original guess of aug 30
 

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I'm almost a little wishy washy on the due date thing...she did seem to be progressing rather quickly, but now seems to be at a standstill....
 

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I know Diana. She has been at a stand still for the last 2 weeks.Thats why I am thinking that she has another week, then she should start making progress again if we are going by the 6 weeks before foaling udder theory. If not then? I dont know maybe she is only in the 6th month?
Could she develop this small bag at 6 months? That opens a whole new set of questions!
 

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Nugget developed a small bag in Dec. she looked a whole lot like Bonny thru her preg but I couldnt express any liquid until a month before foaling.
 

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Ok and how far along was she? I csnt remember the date she foaled. Nugget seems to be the closest mare I have to compare to!
 

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Nugget foaled April 17th.
feel free to check out her album at http://www.webshots.com/user/bugrace2000 i think her pics are all dated
 

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Thanks Jenni.
I will check it out.

Diana I sent you an email.
 

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Ok no new changes in Bonny. But I did take some new pics.

Today we are preparing for the storm, hope everyone in the path stay safe!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-4-08033.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-4-08024.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-4-08023.jpg
 

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Hi Bonny watch her cose if you have a good front coming in. Awful weather seams to be their favorite time to go. She looks to me to have relaxed some but not quite enough yet.
 

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moving right along, bonny!!! She's relaxing more and more....getting there!
 

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Bonny: OK...so we didn't make the "yesterday" forcase I gave...hahahaha...but I'm with Diana...you're moving right along.
 

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OK Question!

Where did her bun go???
Normally Bonny has a bun for an anus. Today her bun is flat?

yesterday:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-4-08033.jpg
Today
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-5-08014.jpg
 

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Bonny: Hahahaha! I would say that there is a foal starting to fill up that area and she is expanding...
 

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Really??? Woo Hoo I hope so! She does look tiny today! I will post a pic of her non preg look from today! If I didnt know better I would swear she wasnt preg.
 

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HOLY MOLY!!!!! BONNY'S ABOUT TO BLOW!!! I'M GONNA WIN THE PREDICTION CONTEST!!! WOO HOO!!!!
 

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Its time to start dbl checking in the night yeah!!
 

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Ok her but is pretty jellowy. I am out with her during this Tropical storm. She is very jumpy and sticking her butt up against the wall. She is pawing wanting out. I am taking video of her I will try to post next time I am in.
 

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Wow Bonny, I was thinking she would have foaled by now. She has to go soon, seeing how she looks. I'll bet on tonight. Good luck! I can't wait to see what you got. :-)
 

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Ok Yall here is my home movie of poor bonny getting pokes in the hiney by me again.LOL.
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=8-5-0803 9.flv
 

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Bonny: Put on your catcher's mitt...OMG...you are there! When's your storm supposed to end (prediction) cuz I'm betting as soon as it subsides some, you're going to see the white balloon! (Fingers crossed!)
 

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Diana: HAHAHA! I think we're going to get her in between our predictions, but since I went over, I concede to you as the winner! HAHAHA!
 

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yeah, i was a little wishy washy, and at first i said the 25th...but then narrowed it down to "sometime before the teens"....now watch...she'll hold off two more months! Haha! (kidding bonny) My older experienced mares lengthen/loosen day of or day before...I have had a maiden do it for 6 days before foaling.
Bobbi might be right ....drop in barometric pressure after a storm often brings on baby!
 

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Diana: I think there is some real truth to that statement on the barometric pressure. We were slaughtered with spring storms/snow blizzards/tornados this year during foal watch and I was so worried that they would birth in the middle of a storm. Every mare I own has birthed AFTER the storms...so, maybe for Bonny!
 

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Ok so the storm has passed. The wind has died down and it is just sprinkling.
The ground is so wet.

Here are some new pictures, I let Bonny out to munch on the wet grass. Her udder isnt doing anything much at all, but her belly is flat.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-5-08046.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-5-08049.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-5-08040.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-5-08045.jpg
 

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Oh yeah, I like the looks of that 3 inches of water on the ground....I bet she foals tonight! And you'll have to stomp and slip thru that nonsense to get to her! I totally see it, as many of mine have done that to me!
And Bobbi, the barometric pressure thing is true...in animals and people. I used to work as a paramedic, and women foaling after storms was as expected as lunatics on a full moon!
 

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It is so wet! I am glad, we needed the rain. Her udder hasnt grown, and her bun is back a bit. I am going to watch her close.
 

Diana Gilger
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it might come and go for a few days....just watch her
 

Bonny
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I agree, she looks the norm today.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Diana: Hahahaha...I'm a firm believer too! I work with the mentally ill and I'm a tellin' ya...the full moon thing, as you well know, is soooo true! LOL

Bonny: LOL...its enough to drive you over the edge isn't it?!?! Its almost as horrifying as watching your 16 year-old drive off in the car by themselves for the first time.
 

Bonny
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Bobbi thats coming soon too! My son is 15! YIKES!

Well I posted before a full cup of coffee. I went back out to clean her pen and get new hay and took more pics. Her croup seems firmer but her vulva is flabby feeling and she is more pink inside today. She also is elongated. Check this out!
BTW- I have to compare old pics to see the difference, or I just cant tell!

April 15th
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/Copyof4-15-08025-1.jpg
Today
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08005.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Baby.....cometh....
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: "We'll be coming round that mountain when she comes..." Hehehehe...You have figured it all! And you are right, it is almost impossible to see changes on a daily basis because the progress is slow enough that the human brain can't "see it". With some of my mares, I do the same thing, take progressive pictures and that's when I can tell changes have occurred. Its like we try to focus on appetite, personality change, udder change, relax muscle change, vulva change and it all just gets too cramped in our minds. Pictures are the greatest way to tell and you are so right in that change is obvious by looking and comparing.

Oh...that baby is a coming. I think Diana is getting a big head now because she's going to win the gold cup award on birth date here! LOL
 

Bonny
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I am getting excited!!! I spent the last hour getting the mud and muck out of her pen and adding fresh dirt. Now I am going to let it dry and I am going to add a nice layer of straw for tonight.

I am ready anytime now that she is! Woo hoo!
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Bonny Ill be checking in regular for Bonny updates shes defiately decided to move along. Whats her udder doing? also is this her first I cant remember.
 

Bonny
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her udder hasnt made much change as of yet.

This is her first, and mine also!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08002.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: LOL...its so fun to see you excited! And, my dear, you were ready weeks ago...LOL...she just wasn't yet. I laughed this spring during my "nutso schizo" foal watch as I had two maidens due at once and I swear, I thought they were clinching themselves to keep from birthing. One of my maidens was so relaxed and open that I couldn't see how gravity alone didn't cause the foal to come out. She was the one I was sooooo sure was gonna foal "any second now" and lo & behold, my other mare who remained tight and little bagged foaled as a huge surprise and then 12 hours later, I had number two on the ground. Just goes to show you how so very different they can be and how they keep the best of us guessing! Good lands but I would have thought you would have had your foal by now...I think you should borrow the Jaws of Life from your local firestation and perhaps hang them in front of her pen/stall with a note that says...if you don't deliver soon, this is the next option. LOL! She might just let loose of that baby then!
 

Bonny
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Bobbi, I am starting to get excited! I can see changes and I know that I am not seeing things now. I just hope I catch the foaling and dont sleep through it! I was just walking Bonny letting her graze and she was walking funny, kind of like her knees went out as she walked( I guess to get around that baby bump)
I can see different times in one day how she tightens and loosens. She has been very mild today, calm.
I was thinking, how boring life will be when I get a full nights sleep. Haha but then it wont be long and Shy will be due.
I think I will try reverse psychology on her tonight. I am going to tell her she isnt close to foaling.And I am not watching her from the house. LOL
 

Bonny
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Ok pics tonight, does her belly look different to yall? it doesnt to me.

Also still wide from behind and see how she puts her bum on the wall! Silly girl!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08020.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08028.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-6-08025.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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bum rubbing is from foal pressure....she's very close! she doesn't look much different to me....but she does appear to be narrower from the back for the past few days.....they usually 'drop' and look that way within about 10 days from foaling. I bet you see baby within the week
 

Bonny
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Does she look like she dropped? It doesnt to me ...
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: What you have now is what you'll have to foaling. I think that all the changes that have occurred are all the changes that were left. I agree with Diana, she has dropped, foal is in position, she is exhibiting the "corn cob up the bum" walk, she is "itchy" in the bum which is really common when they are this close, she is not as wide as she was, butt and vulva are relaxed...there isn't going to be anymore drastic changes from this point forward...the next drastic change will be feet and head coming out...LOL

You're at the finish line and like Diana, I'm betting baby is coming any second now! (By the way...not all mares go off their feed either...lol...mine never went off their feed and in fact, one of them scarfed down their huge grain load within 30 minutes of foaling...although, I must say that all three of my mares did get softer stools within a week of foaling...but again, that may be just the diet that I feed them and how their body reacts to diet/foaling so it may not hold true for others.)
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: BTW...I think you're getting a roan foal...and I'll have to follow you along because what you get in foal color may not be what lies underneath that baby fuzz they shed off...LOL
 

Bonny
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I was still waiting for the V look, and the bigger udder at night...so far that hasnt happened. Also her fluid is still clear.
 

Diana Gilger
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as small as she is, you may never get the v look...or it be enough to notice it. I would think that her udder would increase though, if nothing else dramatically just before foaling. Also, remember the day you said her milk was easy to express and squirted right out? I'd expect a change like that the day of if she doesn't bag first. But, like bobbi said, it doesn't have to... I'd look for loose poops, and lots of drinking....she hasn't gone lopsided again, and has been relatively thin on the sides from behind, so I am assuming she has dropped. It's always hard to keep up with all these things from photos.
 

Bonny
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Well she did firm up on her poo about a week ago, I gave her probiots and then about 2 days ago it started looser again. She always drinks a lot but I was thinking it is pretty hot.
This am it was a bit easier to express fluid again. I will give her a snack and try again,maybe I can get enough to test and actually see the color.
 

Bonny
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Ok well now I am really confused, I hope yall can explaine this. This am her udder was the same, when I just wnt out to get some fluid, there wasnt much in there and it was a tad bit cloudy. Not water clear. But as I was messing with her udder trying to get enough to test her udder shrank! Like a lot! I washed it after with warm water. Nothing, so I took a pic. What does this mean?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-7-08029.jpg

her tummy is gone today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-7-08018.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: LOL! Now we're all confused...LOL! I would say from your picture that she is tired of you messing with it and she's sucked it up, hahaha! You know these little mare's got some muscle power. In your picture, if you look on the under side of her belly in front of the udder area, it looks like there are "fluid bumps" on her belly (I'm so technical with my terminology..Ha!); those would be milk glands and it looks from the angle of the photo, that they are enlarged. So I'm still stickin' with she's close anytime. This is especially noticeable on maiden mares, in my opinion anyway, and not so much in the udder. Gosh darn, but I need to get my camera charged and take a picture of my maiden's udders for you...they still have nursing foals on them and their udders don't look any different than your picture that you just took. Now, my experienced mare always has a "bagged" appearance and when she gets ready to foal, she looks like a milk cow. I guess that's why I keep telling you not to fret the udder thing...everyone's maiden can and are different. I was soooo worried about it during my maidens and Tim/Jonathan (the DUHH experts) kept reassuring me that some maidens don't have the full udder appearance until 24 to 48 hours AFTER foaling. If you're getting fluid, then the milk glands are working...its just not showing that appearance in her actual udder.

Those side shots...whew...you can't even tell she's pregnant! But we all know she is. They are so much harder to gauge. She doesn't look fat which still indicates to me anyway, that the foal has shifted into position and is not laying sidesways or curled up anymore.

I still think you are right there in the final throws of this nerve-wracking experience.
 

Bonny
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Thanks Bobbi, the fluid I am getting is drops at the most. I mean I get a work out getting it. I have milked goats so its not that I dont know how.. There just isnt much there. Now, this am I got a squirt. ONE small squirt. I guess that was it for the day!
I was so sure that she was about to foal yesterday, now here I am again doubting and thinking maybe she is 6 months! Ahh the frustration! Course I just looked out the window and she is happily grazing all fat looking once again.

 

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I am still sticking to Aug 30th but you may get a suprise before then. Try and keep your sanity she'll foal when you give up or loose your mind lol. I say silver bay roan foal when he sheds out it'll be a real suprise im sure.
 

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I am always here and reading, Bonny! It's not that I'm not interested. I just have no experience at this. So I'm just staying in the background. Of course I can't wait for Bonny to foal!
 

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Joyce, I missed your input!!! I am wondering how cookie is!!!
 

Bonny
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Ok so because I am in that doubtful mood again today, I decided to take a gander at the possibility of Bonny being bred the same month as my Paint mare Shy is 175 days or 25 weeks or just over 6 months.
Can yall see that Shy and Bonny have a similar bulge? Shy has had 1 foal maybe 2 before. Bonny is maiden. Shy is 10 Bonny is 4.
IDK just thought it may( dont kill me) an idea to see if yall consider it at all.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-7-08024.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-7-08039.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny's gonna foal soon, Shy isn't.
LOL
That's pretty confusing about her udder, isn't it. I've never seen it done that way before. I'd bet in the next few days it fills even more than before then she foals.
 

Bonny
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I am just being pouty/doubty again. I just live for confusion, LOL, or Bonny does....
 

Bonny
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Ok this morning Bonnys udder looked like it did yesterday. I guess that is just edema? And her vulva is tighter today.
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
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Bonny keep up with the photos and when you are realy fealing down put them in a slide show and whatch her belly change. This year Swan gave me a very rough time. For weeks she whas up and down whith her udder and at one point she was full and had milk. I thought for shure it would be that night. 3 weeks later she foaled. I found that by watching the slide show I could see the changes and it helped me to keep a small part of my sanity. I think she is starting to get close!
 

Bonny
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Thanks Tahra, I am feeling like I am watching to close. Again, I feel like I make things up! This is not easy and now I am even more confused.
 

Bonny
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I could get a tiny amount of fluid out of Bonny so I mixed as closely as possible the 1 to 6 ratio and tested her milk.It was clear, not yellow at all
Results after 1 minute:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-8-08027.jpg

Then I decided to get some fluid from Shy who is 6 months preg and test hers.
I ws able to get a lot from her and it was clearish and yellowish.
results:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-8-08030.jpg
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Bonny I could not get and fluid from Nugget till about a month before foaling. But the rest of her changed back and forth from huge to tiny to relaxed to tight. She was the absolutely worst mare ive ever had for playing games. You said you can get fluid from your mare Shy? How far along is Shy cuz my appy mare isnt progressing anymore but I can still expess lots of clear fluid.
 

corina gabel
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on the color test chart that come with the pool test strips you should be at least at 100 ( or the first color thats different then the natural color) my madian was up to 2 then all four then back down to 1 back to forth.... ahh i was so upset becuase i didnt konw what her offical breeding date was.


dont fret!!!! take a deep breath and take a nap or go shoping when you get back or wake up she will have a beautiful little roan trying its darndest not to fall on it face and she will want you to come feed her !!! i dont think shes 6 months!!
 

Bonny
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Jenni, Shy is 6 months, but she has foal at least once maybe twice before. Very easy to get fluid from her. So hard to get a drop from Bonny.

corina, thanks, this not knowing the breeding date is the pits. I can understand your being upset! But at least it gives me hope! LOL. Fretting? Whos fretting( LOL!) I am just plum gone crazy.....
 

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Bonny pics from today: Where da baby go? lol. I guess it has to be lined up with her spine, because she is narrow, not very low either. And I measured her today and she is 2 inches smaller in the tummy. From 57 to 55.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-9-08017.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-9-08027.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-9-08034-1.jpg
Fluid-
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-9-08038.jpg



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(Message edited by Bonny on August 09, 2008)
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, you may have a while to go yet. All of my mares, once they got to 2 squares, stayed there for 3 weeks before changing to 3 squares....when you get to 3 squares, it goes pretty quickly (days) Then again, none of mine were maiden, and the maiden thing really screws things up....! LOL
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Nuggets milk was clear till the week of then it started to cloud but if it turned white it was hours befre she foaled.
 

Diana Gilger
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as follow up to my recent post....i have to admit, i never had any luck with accuracy when I couldn't get the full cc....counting drops, and mixing 1 to 6 didn't work out well.
How is bonny today? any changes?
 

Bonny
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Ok this is so totally crazy. I called Bet labs today. I did it on a whim to see if Bonnys blood could be tested to determine her pregnancy status. Funny because I read just now that yall had talked to them.
Well I was trying to find my exact results, couldnt, but I do remember them being around 235. He thought that the results were read at 5000, putting her not preg. Well according to Bet scale she would have been around 110 days, well the month before I got a positive wee foal.
Now oddly enough, when I talked to bet labs they were the ones who did Bonnys test! My Dr read the results wrong I bet! So I am thinking she is close to foaling, and if we go by the 110 days plus the
180 days since, that puts Bonny around the 290 day mark.
I need to call my vets office!
 

Bonny
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Ok the level was 352. But the did not use Bet labs, not sure why bet said that. But thats a dead end because tmvdl will not tell what the the 352levelmeans my vet has to call.
And Bet will work with you but the have to work through a vet.
 

Bonny
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Forgot to add Bonny is the same. No new changes. I guess she is closer to 6 months?
 

Diana Gilger
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i would think NO, she is closer to foaling than 6 months....I still think she'll foal in the next few weeks...but guess I'll miss the mark of 'before the teens of august'....
 

Bonny
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Bet labs did say they would do a estrone and progesterone test to help determine if she may be further than 320 days. But given that that could change on a moments notice, meaning this week she could be considered not foaling then next week could read close to foaling, Its really not worth the 100 dollars to send it in.
I did get the urine to dr henderson in new zeland but it could be 2 weeks before I have results.
 

Diana Gilger
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you sent urine to a dr in new zealand? I didn't know tht.....why?
 

Diana Gilger
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did your vet call to find out what the 352 means?
 

Bonny
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Ok Dr Henderson in New Zealand is the one who is with the wee foal urine test. They offered to do a study on Bonny's urine to see if they could narrow down a gestation time line, also the need the urine to further research. So I volunteered her wee.

As far as the 352 he said it was based on a scale of 5000. so results are not considered pregnant, but could be considered very early gestation.

Now if we go by that, Bonny is about 6 months preg, same as ShyAnne.
 

Diana Gilger
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well, i've never seen a mare at 6 months show....much less be as lopsided as bonny has been. You can tell from the photos that she's not a heavy mare, and it shifts from day to day, so I'd rather doubt she were that early. Also, I've never seen one with that much udder development at 6 months, or the elongated vulva either. so, it's a puzzle to me.
 

Bonny
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Diana, I know. I am so confused also. This is pretty much my whole life with her since January. Its been one yes than no after another for 8 months.
I sure hope she is about due, I dont know how much longer I can do this. I want to try to be positive and I wish I had some experience. This is quite the first time!

Diana, Maybe you should just take a trip to my city, lol, see her for your self! Haha!!
 

Diana Gilger
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actually, i had thought about that....and if we still lived in Weatherford, I'd have done it by now! LOL
 

Kit
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You poor thing!! Thanks to Diana I now have a pretty good idea of the month both my mares are due. But if not I can imagine being in the same position as you :-(
I definately think she is only a few weeks away aswell. Have looked back on some of her photos. Keep your chin up eventually you will have a beautiful foal and it will all be worth it. Will be keeping an eye on your thread. Sorry I cant be of more help these will be my first foals so im new at it. But dont think theres any doubt that its not long to go. !!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Diana: LOL! I thought about grabbing you up and the two of us go to Bonny's and drag that baby outta there! I wonder, is Bonny bald by now?
 

Diana Gilger
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head this way, and we'll make a road trip out of it!! You sound fun enough, if nothing else, it'd be a great time! LOL
 

Bobbi Govro
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Diana: We would have too much fun. Of course, Bonny in her current state of mind of confusion might toss us out with our sense of humor. I have a knack for being there when the balloon appears...maybe thats whats holding up the show?! Maybe we just need to show up with the OB gloves, the towels, the foal response and vitamin response and BAM, we'll have a foal!
 

Bonny
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Sounds good to me! Yall are welcome ANYTIME NOW!!!

I dont even pretend to know whats going on! All I do know is another forum member told me that if you taste the fluid it will be salty, then closer to foaling it will go tasteless, then sweet. Out of sheer desperation I did, and there was no taste at all. Thankfully because I may have tossed my cookies.

This am piccys....

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08018.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08016.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08007.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08009.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08026.jpg
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Ok Nugget trained me well here is how it went with her. I got her aug of last year already preggers. the woman wasnt positive she was bred or when if she was. She was in ok shape when I got her but NOT looking preggo at all very slender build. 3 wks later she looked like a whale (bonnys first pics) so I started watching her by dec I was checking on her in the middle of the night. she had a slight udder I mean very slight in Dec nothing expressable to and started changing shape regularly one day thin as a rail next day whale again. Then about mid Jan we had a huge storm a tree fell on the barn she got out and the neighbor caught her up and put her in the pasture (i was in town) When I came home she didnt look preggers at all I spent forever looking for a fetus to no avail. Finally deciding id lost my mind and she had to be preg cuz she didnt have and signs of foaling on her. she stayed drawn up for about a monthy then she started looking preggers again (she never did develope the whale look again) by Easter I was on permanent foal watch sure it was going to be any day. She had slight udder still very drawn up that would come and go shed relax then draw back up in the hind end. About a wk before foaling she got a bag with expressable liquid she ad a bag a bit before then but nothing was expressable. they night before she foaled I could not catch her she went from love bug to impossible to catch. She never went off her feed or increased her water intake. nor did she act colicy
hope this helps you figure about what stage shes at. shes built like nugget so maybe their pregs will follow about the same time line
 

Bonny
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Thanks Jenni! That is helpful.
I think Bonny is always going to be 'a few weeks away' to 'any day now' Haha!
 

Jenni Luttrell
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thats how Nugget was lol Shell be fine all the test in the world arent going to give you peace of mind so save your money for foal treats itll be here one day. I do think shes closer than 6 months
i think the end of aug to mid sept youll have a baby
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Yep...she still looks prego to me! ROFL!!!! She's given me a run for my money so I, have gracefully bowed out of the guessing game. If she were my mare...I'd be INSANE by now! LOL! She doesn't look "red" enough inside the vulva yet...just that perky pink going on. I still think baby is in position though. Have you ever noticed if baby has gotten the hiccups inside momma's belly? I'm not trying to be silly with that...all my baby's got the hiccups inside mommy...it helped put me to a closer mark. If they get the hiccups, then they are "practicing swallowing or breathing" perhaps bringing them closer to full development. Just a thought.
 

Bonny
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Bobbi, I am totally insane.I still havent seen one glimmer of movement. I know Bonny is scared to death every time I walk out side wondering 'what now'! lol
I will just keep looking for signs she is getting closer, realizing I could be days or months away and just go with the flow. I am past being stressed out, I think, well for today anyways. Haha.
I just have to laugh at this point, the other day I wanted to cry. But all in all I have learned so much and it really is a good learning experience for me.
ShyAnne is getting BIG as a moose and she is jealous of Bonny right now, she doesnt even want to share hay.
Also just a quick question, Is this a milk vein?
(In red )
And will the front of her udder develop before she foals? (in green)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-12-08009-1.jpg
 

Bonny
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OK Weird stuff here!
When I let Bonny out she ran to a tree, pawed the ground at the base and ate a huge bite of dirt! Then she followed Shy around and when Shy pooped she pawed that and ate it also!!
Now I have a mineral block and a salt block, and she uses it. Any suggestions? I was thinking maybe I should give her some sand clear?
 

Diana Gilger
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only another sign you're close.....
many of us have dirt eaters....and I think most will agree it's completely natural....not a deficiency of any kind.
 

Jenni Luttrell
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She looks to have a little bit of an edema and a milk vein both. the front of the udder on two of my minis is always developed like that preg or not. The front can develope before foaling but its not a must see type thing. I think shes very close tho it looks like she's storing a lot of milk high up and not letting it down intop the bag. With the behavior change I wouldnt sleep well tonight. lol like you could anyhow. lol
before putting her on a sand clear id see if this becomes a reg habit or if it was just a one time thing. Sounds like shes agrivated to me could be a sign shes about to foal. sleep tight NOT. lol
 

Bonny
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Haha, she did this yesterday also. I noticed she had 2 sopts also under trees where she licked the dirt so much that it was wet. It looked like she was licking it enough that she could have gotten a mouth full. Yuck.
When I ran her off one spot she went to the other. When I ran her off that one she got mad and bucked. Haha. Poor Bonny, the dirty poopy girl.

I had no idea dirt eating was a sign of foaling. I thought she was lacking something!
 

Diana Gilger
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about a week before foaling, both of my mares were in the pen pawing up dirt clods and eating them whole.....yuck
 

Bonny
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Haha, that is so weird!

Want to hear something funny she did this evening?
She acted like she was going to poo, went to her poo area, lifted her tail, and stood there with her tail up for a while, put it down and went back to eating. No poop. I have her on camera early, so I am watching her.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Looks like milk veins and milk development to me. My mares all had this and it was pretty prominant before foaling. Yucky dirt! HAHA! Gotta love them silly creatures! Maybe she's like..."HEY! This foaling is a bunch of crap! Oh, wait, crap, mmmm...sounds tasty to me!"

LOL
 

Bonny
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Ok , so yall know by now that I am an analyzer. I also am a knowledge seeker. I love to figure out problems and solve puzzles. This situation with Bonny has been eating my lunch!
So I thought yall have seen many ultra sounds, maybe I can draw what I saw, lol. I would think, but am not positive, that the closer to foaling the mare is the closer to the cervix the foal will get, due to growth and lack of space. So with that 'theory' in mind I went looking to find an ultra sound pic of 6 months plus to compare what I saw, to gestational age. well the closet thing I found is this from the website http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/aaep/1998/Ginther.pdf
And this is the comparative pic I found:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08008-1.jpg
Now I am going to edit this to show you what I saw.
first I flipped the photo, gray scaled it, removed the fetus and added the fetal membranes.
Course use your imagination to see it as an ultra sound lol.
This is about what I saw.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08008-1-1-1.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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OK, so now I'm confused (and that's not hard to do with me..LOL) You didn't see a fetus in the ultrasound...only fetal membranes? I think I'm lost...
 

Bonny
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Right, we didnt see a fetus only fetal membranes.
That was when he did the ultrasound late July.
Thats why he couldnt give me a better gestational date, he couldnt see the fetus.

(Message edited by Bonny on August 13, 2008)
 

Bobbi Govro
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Hmmmmm...that's strange.
 

Diana Gilger
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OK....BONNY, I USED TO THINK YOU WERE CRAZY....BUT NOW I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE WORST DUHH EVER ON RECORD!!!! DRAWING YOUR OWN ULTRASOUNDS IS FREAKISHLY NEAR THE LINE OF BEING COMMITTED, AND I THINK YOU NEED HELP! lol

Your vet should have EASILY been able to find a heart beat...and he should have been able to show you rib bones, femurs, etc.......even thru the abdominal wall!
 

Bonny
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Unfortunately, he is new to minis and Bonny is his only mini he has ever worked on.
And I sure hope you were kidding in what you said, as I was just trying to show yall what I saw in the US he did.But that was rather mean....Maybe its just me being very tired and at a complete loss with this mare.
But thinking I have any day to looking at 5 more months of this unsure when she will foal crud is rather frustrating.
 

Diana Gilger
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Aww, bonny, you are tired, aren't you. You should know I would never say anything like that if I weren't joking. I didn't mean for it to sound mean ! (thus, the "LOL" after it) I'm sorry if i upset you!
 

Bonny
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Its ok, I am completely exhausted, and I have 7 boys 9-15 running through my house today. I think I am being sensitive, and I am at my whits end.
Unfortunately, I cant just give up on her! lol.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Diana and I just joke with you to keep your sense of humor up. We know that you're stressed, we've been in your shoes many times. Its tiring and frustrating but keep your laugh factor up, its sometimes the only thing that keeps you going.

When he did the US, was that only a partial picture of what he could see? Or is that the entire uterus that he was able to examine? You're right, we've all seen US before but personally, I've never had one done on my horse in foal (just US relating to a leg injury on one of my horses) so I'm a bit "un-educated" in that area. My vet has always done palpations for questions that I've had...I guess I never had to go the extra mile step for ultrasounds yet.

And you're not giving up on her yet...goodness...when she's ready to pop out a foal, she will.

I guess my concern was that I'm not understanding the whole story behind the ultrasound results. If that was the entire uterus and all that could be seen is fetal membranes then I am REALLY confused on a foaling date, much less a pregnancy.

If you would just enlighten me on the whole US story behind Bonny then I can get my brain straightened out.
 

Bonny
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The whole story is thats all he could see, he couldnt get deep enough to see any more than that. He never could go in far enough to see a foal thats why he could only guess how far along she is.
Diana said that her vet goes pretty deep when ultra sounding her mares.
He said in order to get a better view on her he would need an extender on the probe. which he doesnt have.
I assume he could have seen more if he could have gone deeper, but I really dont know that for certain,as with out seeing a fetus, I can only assume she is in foal. But combined with the positive wee foals it means she is. Now on the other hand, haveing never seen fetal movement, we could also assume she is in false pregnancy mode.
I believe she has to be as I doubt the wee foal would test positive twice if the foal wasnt viable. I will be glad to get the results back from dr Henderson in New Zealand.
Today she is a complete grouch, kicking and bucking and trying to stomp the dogs.

I know yall are trying to keep my spirits up. But it would be one thing if this had just started in July. But this has been going on the entire time I have owner her. I am 8 months trying to figure out if she is and how far along she is. I have had several positives and negatives, and I am just plain worn out. I wouldnt care when she was due if I just knew about what month! I am tired because I know from now till next Feb this mare (unless she foals) will be on foal watch. That is frustrating and tiring and will be a year on foal watch!
You would think with all the tests and all the money I have spent I could at least have narrowed it down.Every test I have done conflicts with a different test.
Joyce knows she has been with me from the very beginning.

I know its not yalls fault. And yall are so gracious for helping me. I truly appreciate it. I just am at a loss on what else I can do to figure this mess out.
I just do not want to be watching every night loosing sleep, if she doesnt foal till November or heaven forbid February!

 

Bonny
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Pics from today
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08015.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08026.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08009.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-13-08021.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, I don't know what to think....if bob said she was within about 6 weeks, obviously he was off....but she surely couldn't go much longer. I'd not stay up on foal watch until her milk measures at a 3...and you start noticing more changes. Get some sleep! LOL
 

Jenni Luttrell
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Bonny we all understand being exhausted . I was on serious foal watch from Dec to April and it about did me in between Nugget and a new born it got to the point where I slept dressed on the couch. I dont have cameras and all that so Id get up 2 and three times a night and go check her. Finaly I couldnt do it anymore and would check her right before bed (10pm) then once about 2am.of course she got right with the program once i was to tired to care anymore. Check her once a night and get some sleep you cant help her if your exhausted. and I think you got some time left before she foals a few good nights sleep dont hurt anyone. Hey if you manage to get that full nights sleep remind me of how good it is I havent slept all night in forever!!!
 

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Bonny, As I've said for along time, I wished I lived near you and could help you. :-) I truly believe in the weefoal tests! She IS in foal! I agree, get some sleep. Diana knows what she's talking about with the milk test strips. I have been sucking up every bit of information on pregnancy I can get on this message board and lilbeginnings. This site is the best for sure. As my wonderful Mom would say, (and I miss her so much), "You do what you can do"! You have CLEARLY gone ABOVE AND BEYOND! You are AWESOME!!!! Do what Diana says with the milk test strips. I have read TONS about those. In the mean time, try to relax, even just a bit. :-)
Always here for you. :-)

Joyce
 

Kit
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I agree with Joyce. Bonny is very lucky to have a mum like you that cares for her so much. I too am a huge believer in the weefoal from my own experience lately and alot of friends use them too. Hang in there :-)the foal will come.... eventually lol keep doing the milk tests ive heard too that they are wonderful thing to go by. (I just bought some myself for when my girls get further along hopefully they give me milk to do it lol)
 

Diana Gilger
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Milk test strips...
keep em in the refrigerator closed up tight so that they are accurate over a long period of time!
 

Bonny
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Morning yall, nothing new to report today.
Jenni, you went 4 months with a slight udder change like Bonnys?
I am guessing,we may be closer to that. Bonny still has clear to cloudy fluid.
Last night I put herback in the pasture and have quit watching her through the night. Until I see signs that she is getting closer, by watching her milk, that is what I am going to do.
I will post when I hear back from Dr Henderson.
I think I am going to take a small break from all this until I know she is about to foal.
I really appreciate yalls help, and yall have been great. I will update weekly, unless we have something new, just to keep in touch.
Talk to yall soon!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: From your latest pictures, I can tell you that she has lost that full look in the haunches and her udder doesn't look close. (Maybe baby just got all turned around in there and now its straightened itself back out...) I think you're ok to get some sleep.

I'm in agreement with everyone's thoughts of "check her at night before you go to bed" and I'd get some sleep if I were you. If not, you're going to exhaust yourself and when it is time, you're going to sleep right through it. Save your sleepless nights for when she is showing changes. Trust your instincts, I think you'll "feel" when something's changed drastically enough to lead you to believe you're close.

In the meantime, big hugs from all of us. And, if its any consolation to you, I pasture breed my mares so I NEVER have an exact date of foaling. Just a narrowed down time span to within a few months so I'm one exhausted puppy during foaling. I used to drive myself crazy trying to predict and find ways to "know" when it was going to happen. My vet (who I used to work for and have known for years) finally refused to let me spend a ton of money on tests and other methods because he finally just bluntly told me: "Every mare is different, every mare has their own time and signs, and no amount of testing and money is going to get that foal here any faster than when the mare & foal determine is their time anyway." And, he's right. You have a wonderful and healthy mare, she looks great and don't get yourself so wrapped up in exhaustion that you aren't enjoying this process. We can only do what we can do and we have to trust that nature will take care of the rest.
 

Jenni Luttrell
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BONNY SHE DID GO FOUR MONTHS WITH A SIGHT UDDER BUT i COULDNT EXPRESS FLUID TILL CPL WKS BEFORE FOALING. ALTHOUGH IVE SOLD TWO PREG MARES THIS YEAR AND I SEEN THEM TODAY AND THE ONE THAT WAS BRED END OF JAN. HAS CLEAR LIQUID BUT SHES HAD A FEW FOALS BEFORE
 

Bonny
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Well that was a pretty small break. Haha,lol. But I do have some new info. Bonny her udder has shrunk almost back to nothing, very strange. I am still waiting to hear from wee foal. I just have never heard of a mare doing this so any advice would be appreciated.
I dont know if she is aborting or what. I assume she is ok as she is acting normal. I have added a vit and min supplement and her dirt eating has stopped.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-14-08023.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-14-08029.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-14-08030.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

good grief! Maybe she is only 6 months!? She sure had us all fooled for a while....what does she look like from behind? Is she still wide and lopsided? This is really strange. Is there any time that she was turned out that she might have aborted in pasture and you just didn't notice? That would be odd, as closely as you've been watching her....but this is weird. Or maybe she just bagged up initially from being bred. (hormonal) I have one who was 2 months prego, and bagged up for a couple of days, then it went away....
 

Bonny
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Username: Bonny

Post Number: 387
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, she didnt abort that I know of. She still has milk veins, I can feel them. I guess she must be about 6 months and she was just reacting to the hormones. But remember when I said I read something about mare coming into heat about the third month.. well if Bonny was bred in Feb, then in May she came into a full heat, that would be about right. And she hasnt come in again.
She is still lopsided in the back view. Smaller than before. I cant help but wonder if the foal was laying sideways. I also wonder if the lack of minerals had her bloated to some extent.
Once I hear back from wee foal I will decide what my next action is, lol. But I am going to have the vet oder an probe extender for the US rectal probe and see about another US. If she is still preg I should start seeing movement soon as she is about 6 and a half months. I will keep yall posted!
 

Diana Gilger
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Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 821
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

all good ideas.....but count on foal movement. (just so you know) it is completely possible to never see any. I've had several mares i watched and felt like a hawk....and never had any foal movement!
 

Kit
Nursing Foal
Username: Kit

Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whats the earliest you can feel foal movement?

Look forward to hearing what Dr Henderson says!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 683
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: I'm like Diana...completely blown away with your mare. Her udder has shrunk to nothing. Very strange.

I had foal movement with all of mine this year (but like Diana says, sometimes there isn't any obvious movement that can be seen) and heartbeats through the stethoscope within 3 months of foaling. My most subdued and calm foal this year was the most active in his mother...you'd never know it when she was carrying him, I thought he was going to be quite a pistol but instead, the filly was the most inactive of all of them inside momma and she IS the spitfire now. Go figure!! LOL!
 

Bonny
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Username: Bonny

Post Number: 388
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wasnt able to get on for a while but I have new pics today.
Her udder is still small but making more fluid...
And Now where her tail connects to her body there is an area that looks like an upside down V. almost like the ligament on top of the tail is sticking out. Its hard to describe and hard to see in pics but I will try to explain.
ok first pic you cant see it but I will show you the spot in the second so when you look at the next set you may see it.Its the red area.The green area seems down a bit also?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08016-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08026-2.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08026.jpg

Also some belly pics, she is wide again.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08008.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08011.jpg

small udder but milk veins are there and feel thicker....
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08031.jpg
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1126
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny I think Her and Nugget are related. With the exception of expressing fluid Nugget did all of this and looked the same way to. She started getting smaller the closer to foaling she got at one point I actualy walked my pasture looking for an aborted fetus. I think you are closer than 6 months but not iminant foaling either.
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 389
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol Jenni we posted together.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1127
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

we were posting together her tailhead is getting pretty visible here
i think end of aug - mid sept she'll foal
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1128
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lol we posted together again bet we couldnt do that again lol
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 390
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



That is sooooo funny!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 823
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, i emailed you back....and now we can sign on here again! yay!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 824
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd bet with that tail head relaxing, her vulva is as well....? Usually, I can tell a marked difference in the vulva the day of foaling.
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 392
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will check the e mail! Her vulva didnt look much different today!As if she would do anything textbook. LOL!

I have a flood of pics coming. BTW I dont know if her tail head is relaxing it just seems it but what do I know? At this point I just post!
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 393
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok Pic flood tell me what you do and dont see!!!


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08041.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08049.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08044.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08058.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08061.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08087.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08082.jpg

oh, and what my kids do for fun...LOL
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-18-08062.jpg
 

Bonny
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Username: Bonny

Post Number: 394
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yall???? Where is everyone? LOL
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 826
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, I have those same kids! LOL Bonny, if you look at the line from the top of her hip to the top of her tail, you'll notice it used to be rounded, but now it is flat....she's loosening up.
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 827
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

...and because I know you'll ask ....
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/8-18-08082.jpg[/IMG]
AND....WE POSTED AT THE SAME TIME! HA
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1130
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thats my girls as well lol. She is loosening up a bunch maybe she'll get in a hurry and get the job done. lol
 

Bonny
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Username: Bonny

Post Number: 395
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 06:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL! Diana, thankies for the descriptive pic... You know me, its hard for me to see...

Thats my son Austin. He is a Texas mud bug,lol.
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 396
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so I have a question I noticed that Bonny seems more open on the inside of her vulva. When I do my checks I check for color and it was weird because normally she is closed in there well yesterday and today she is open. I dont know if this means anything or not.I just thought I would mention it as it was so noticeable. I wondered if anyone else noticed this on their mares.I looked back and you can see what I mean from pictures.And is it getting redder? Seems it to me.
Aug 4:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/Copyof8-4-08014.jpg
Today
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-19-08007.jpg


Oh and Diana, look what she started today, just thought thats funny after what you said about mares not wanting you to check...
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=8-19-080 22.flv


And todays pics
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-19-08013-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-19-08018-1.jpg
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1131
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL this is funny I have that exact same hairbrush that is used as a horse brush. Its even pink as well.
Youll notice that she starts to get a lot more open back there as she relaxes and gets closer. Im not sure about it getting redder kinda hard for me to tell with the lighting it may just be my monitor
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 397
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love those brushes for horses, giggle!

Jenny so your mare did this? you saw her vulva open on the inside like this? If so how soon before foaling did it start?
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1132
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes Nugget did this for about a month before she foaled sometimes it was a little more closed other times I swear he could have fallen out. lol They are great horse brushes cheaper to. lol
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 398
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, thats great you saw it too! I was thinking maybe it means something....I sure hope so!

The brushes are awesome on the mane and tail. The horses love how it scratches also! I got mine at cvs on sale with a coupon! Haha I am a bargain shopper!
 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1133
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You have kids so remember the end of your pregnancies how everything loosens up horses do the same thing. the cervix does pretty much the same as ours to.
I got mine at the dollar store I think lol I go thru a ton of hair brushes. Its great on the horses a little mineral oil or detangler or the spray on olive oil (in the hair care section) and my brush and there is no mane I cant handle lol
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 399
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL I love the Equyss brand all natural detangler for horses. Smells nice works great.
I am an every day brusher.... So I needed a good gentle brush. And it holds my rubber bands for braiding Bonnys tail.

Watch her close up now and make me think she will foal in January again!

 

Jenni Luttrell
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 1134
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I never in my life was a confused and worried as Nugget made me so I feel for you. She will foal one day SOON I hope lol
We had 65 head at one time so I saw a lot of babies and prego mares
 

Bonny
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Username: Bonny

Post Number: 400
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At least I know she is preg and that she will foal by January.....lol.
 

corina gabel
Breeding Stock
Username: Newyearsbaby05

Post Number: 229
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bonny did you know that you got caught showing horsey porn!!!! hahahah your picture violates the terms of use!!! hahahah
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/8-19-08007.jpg

shame on you!!
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 402
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, got caught again.
If they only knew we used it for educational purposes.

Hey Diana, Bonny doesnt want me snooping anymore....
 

Diana Gilger
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Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 835
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

has anything changed?
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 403
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well her udder is a tad bit bigger on one side, and she doesnt want me snooping around her backside. I dont know if it means anything, as Bonny has been so tricky, but it is new behavior.
And for you all to see her morning tummy pic.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/82208001.jpg
Diana I sent you a vulva and udder pic via e mail as not to upset the photobucketeers.....lol.

And Dr Henderson hasnt received my urine sample yet.....strange, but it could be held up, hope it is still good to test after this long.
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 404
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Meant to add this one also...

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/82208012.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
Breeding Stock
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 703
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: Hey...girl!...are leaving me out on the horsey porn?!?! LOL! Email me your pics too! Poor photobucket, they probably don't know what to do with us horse people. I swear, I'm going to take a shot of my stallion and put it up just to get a boot in the butt so I don't feel so left out. LOL!

And, yep, she's still pregnant Bonny! LOL! Are you at least caught up on some sleep now?!?
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 405
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I am can you tell? I am much cheerier and well rested, not so sensitive, and not a big fat bawl bag!LOL!

Post your e mail and I will send you pics!
 

Bobbi Govro
Breeding Stock
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 705
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: LOL!I CAN tell. LOL! I'm sorry, I thought I had posted my email on my profile but I'm just a big goober. Hahaha! (bvalle@jeffcomo.org)
 

Bonny
Breeding Stock
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 406
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok sent....



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