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Maiden Mare question

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Bonny
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Post Number: 170
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Posted on Monday, June 30, 2008 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know that during spring and summer mares can have a clear fluid in the teats. I was wondering if this is also true for maidens?
My maiden mini is 4 and I bred her the LCD was May 8th putting her about 53days. There is an extreemly tiny amount of fluid but its there.
I have a few more weeks to wait to do the blood test but was curious about this.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok so this is going to be a long story, but please bare with me!

Bonny my mini mare ( Maiden mare)came to me in December 07. She had been exposed to a stally. Never confirmed in foal.
In Jan I tested her with wee foal and it was Negative for pregnancy.
In Feb she was still getting bigger belly and I tested her with wee foal again and it was positive for pregnancy.
In March my vet did a US abdominally and saw no fetus. Did blood work came back low for pregnancy.
In April he rechecked her by US as she was still getting bigger and he saw no foal( abdominally) but he said he was surprised and said to keep an eye on her.
She hasnt cycled yet this year.
Then in May she " came in to heat' and we bred her for 5 days. Last cover may 8th. No cycle since.
So if she took in May she would be 55 days preg. and I have been waiting to get blood work done.
Well today I went out and wasd brushing her and she has started to develop a bag!
HUGH?! How can she start to develop f she is 55 days? Or is she bred from before? I dont know what to think!

Normal udder size:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/6-16-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/4-14-08021.jpg
Today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08009.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08012.jpg
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 183
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, It seems Cookies belly continues to grow and drop, but I've not seen hardly any change in her udder at all. But if she is in foal, she shouldn't be due for 2 1/2 months yet. Sure wished I could have kept that appt. with the repro Vet yesterday. I hope all is ok with Bonny!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope you can get back in with the vet soon!

I am wondering if Bonny is going to Abort...if she is bagging at 55 days.
Or if she is actually pregnant from before and getting ready to foal.
My vet doesnt seem very interested. He agreed it was early, but that she couldnt be pregnant from before if she let the stally breed in May.
I just dont know why she would develop this much in 2 days...
 

Joyce
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where is Diana Gilger? She knows these dang minis for sure! I bet she'll have a great answer!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IDK, I wish someone could help me understand. There has been suggestion that it could be water retention, but IDK why she would have that...or why she would in her udder? I am going to check it and see if it has shrunk or grown more...When I feed tonight.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nothing has changed...Maybe a tad less puffy? I guess I will see what the morning brings.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here I am, but I don't have an answer, that's for sure! I don't think she's aborting....as I have never seen one bag up before hand, it just happens. Many mares, especially maidens go thru udder changes off and on thru out pregnancy, even early on due to hormones. I also know that some mares (I have one) will let the stallion breed even when they are bred....I'd keep an eye on the udder, and if it continues filling to the point of full, I'd get some test strips, and watch the mare. If she's that far along (from the first breeding) you're vet should definitely be able to see it on an ultrasound....abdominal or otherwise. Easiest way is to find someone to palpate her. I hope it helped a little, even though it's nothing definitive.

Joyce....how is Cookie? And why did you miss your appt??????? We may never know now! haha!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

joyce post more pics of cookie!!! I'm dying to see what she looks like now
 

Bonny
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Post Number: 181
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Diana! My vet wont palpate her. He seems very uninterested in all this. And he told me he had little experience in US.And zero in minis. He did the US so who knows what he was looking at. The blood work is more believable to me.That came back low in March so qualified as Not pregnant.
I am hoping it is early maiden mare changes from pregnancy.But I will keep an eye on it and if it looks like it is filling more I will let y'all know!
 

Bonny
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Post Number: 182
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also another question- Can I learn to palpate her myself?
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 185
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana! I finally had an appt. with the reproduction specialist that all the mini people talk about! I was counting down the hours!!!! My appt. was for this past Tuesday morning, and don't you know, my son has to have an emergency appendectomy at 10:00 pm the night before!! WITH COMPLICATIONS!! He stopped breathing as they were taking him off the anasthesia, and it took quite a bit to get him going again, (long story) and he is doing good now, but needless to say, I was at the hospital watching over my son while Cookie was supposed to have her appt.! I am telling you, somebody does NOT want me to know if this mare is in foal or not! I have another phone call into the Vet and I'm waiting for a call back. Of course she is out a few weeks on appointments. But, All that matters is my son is here with me and is alive! I'll go find some of the latest pictures and post them.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, as you know, I am so glad your son is ok! That was scary. I glad he recovered and is doing so well.

I cant wait to see the latest cookie pics. Dont forget udder pics!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh my gosh joyce! Im glad he is ok! That would have been so scary! I know how it is with kids....they spoil all the best made plans!!! haha! I have so many I should live in a shoe...and half the time I don't know what to do. LOL
Bonny, have you thought about finding another vet who will palpate? I have been at arms length in my mini mare turning foals around in emergency, but cannot imagine trusting myself to palpate. I wouldn't know if you could learn to do it yourself. What area do you live in ?
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 186
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Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is supposed to be day 240 acording to the former owners date she gave me. I called the repro Vet again yesterday to get another appt. but did not hear back from them. I guess they're busy with the holiday weekend.

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSC01108.jpg[/IMG]
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, she has gotten even bigger...I can tell by the top of her rump that she is also alot of fat! But I can see her teats in this pic, and couldn't in any of the others. Does she still have shifting lopsided-ness?
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 187
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Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She is always bigger on her right side. You're right about the fat on the top of her rump. She now has an indent down were her stripe is. I sure haven't give her any more hay and I still don't give her any grain. Why would she get that extra weight all of a sudden?
 

Bonny
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Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Talk about an easy keeper! Joyce she is such a pretty girl. I would have the repro vet run bloodwork on her to check for any thyroid issues. I sure hope she is just pregnant!

Diana, I do have other vets in our area, but the closest one is 1 hour away.And we dont have a trailer. There is an Equine Repro thats almost 2hrs and he makes house calls but it would be close to 200 just for him to drive here.

Today Bonnys udder still looks the same. Maybe a tad bigger? But nothing dramatic.

I dont think I posted these pics of her so Diana, if you would look maybe you can see something I cant.These are from yesterday:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08025-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08020.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08019.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08001.jpg
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 188
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Posted on Friday, July 04, 2008 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I guess upon looking at Cookie again, she really doesn't have alot of extra weight but her belly. I've gone looking for pictures of overweight minis, and their necks are affected like crazy. Cookies neck doesn't have an extra pound, it's perfect. No crest or anything like that. Her rump seems a bit chunkier on top, but I don't think very much. Her chest is normal. No extra weight on her shoulders either. I'm going to call the Vet back on Monday. Dang holidays! LOL!!

Thank you Bonny! And I absolutely will talk to her about Cookies health for sure!! Bonny looks tremendous! She is one lucky girl to have been found by you!
 

Joyce
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Post Number: 189
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Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is with the "lumpy" belly? Is that how pregnant bellys are? Cookie is totally normal until a few inches behind her elbows. Then, there is a huge drop and it gets lumpy. I took this picture this morning, it should be day 254. Does a pregnant belly do this?

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSC01152.jpg[/IMG]
 

Bonny
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Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, weird! Between Cookie and Bonny we will be wearing happy white coats to keep us safe!

I think Bonnys udder is fuller. Less saggy looking.

May 27th:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/5-27-08032.jpg

July 2nd:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08009.jpg

July 5th am:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-5-08001.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-5-08006.jpg

Any Suggestions anyone??
 

Bonny
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Post Number: 186
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Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Today she is still full but the nipples havent done anything different.

Anyone?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-7-08004.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, she is nowhere NEAR FULL!!! You'll be surprised when she's "full", and then you'll say ..."OOOOHHHH, that's FULL!!!"
It is fuller than it was, but I think she took on the May breeding....from photos, she's not easily identifiable as a 'definitely prego'...IMO

Joyce? The lump is ALWAYS on the right??? I thought it changed positions before? Lumpy is normal in prego mares.. if they are large lumps, as in hips or knees....but I see small lumps that look like bee stings or something in your photo...are those the lumpys you're talking about?
 

Joyce
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Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, her right side is the side thats usually the largest of the two sides. As far as lumpyness goes, I guess I mean large bulges. She's not just round, but there are large bulges that stick out, yes I guess like hips and knees would. If thats what this is, should I see them move at all? I have another appt. for the repro Vet for July 24th. They told me she is also "on call" that day, so if she gets an emergency, she may not be able to come. Thats the soonest she can get here. My nerves are shot! I don't want to wait any longer! sigh!!!!!
 

Joyce
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Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, I've hardly ever seen any difference in Cookies udder. I don't know why Bonnys udder would be so big? I thought they only did that the last 6 weeks or so of pregnancy. Sorry I can't help....
 

Joyce
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Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Appointment update! My good friend has an appt. with this repro Vet on Friday morning. She is a regular customer of hers and only lives a few minutes from me. I'm bringing Cookie over and hopefully getting her checked then! Oh I sure hope this works out!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Joyce thats great news!!! Cant wait to hear the results!

Diana, thanks for trying to help.
I have another question. If she was bred in May and is only 8 weeks preg, would her udder continue to grow and be fuller, every few days or will it halt? Same question applies to if she took in Feb.
I know her udder is no where near full, but is it not significant that it changed so quickly and is continuing to grow? Also add in the fact she is a maiden. And they can foal with little to no bag and they barely can show...???
I am concerned that I may need to think about a stall for her to foal in....

June 16th
[IMG]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/6-16-08004-1.jpg[/IMG]
July 2
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08009.jpg
July 8
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-8-08007.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, yes, you should see your lumps move....although it's not always easy, and usually baby travels from left to right sides...and cookie would appear bigger on the left one day, then on the right the next....strange to me...

Bonny,
Hormone levels will affect your mares udder, and she may well develop somewhat of an udder, and then it disappear until about 6-8 weeks before foaling. She definitely looks fuller, but I wouldn't worry about it. If she goes on to fill completely, I'd be really suspect she was bred last August or September!
 

Joyce
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 06:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you so much Diana. With any luck I will know for sure Friday morning. I've not seen any movement what so ever. I'm thinking she's not in foal, but at the same time, I can't imagine what these lumps are? Oh I just hope the Vet will look at Cookie friday morning.....
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, thanks Diana. Today her udder is even bigger, and you can see it from behind...

from this to that in a week!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/6-16-08004-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08003.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08006.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08008.jpg
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I took the pictures to the vet and he is puzzled to say the least. He really thought she wasnt in foal. He is going to check with a repro to see what they think.
 

Joyce
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are so smart to do that Bonny! I learn so much from you! I'm telling you, these mares are going to put us in our graves! LOL!! I'm thinking of my poor Cookie on a Diet after we see the Vet friday morning. It will hurt me more than it will hurt her..I can't wait to get this over with. I'm afraid Bonny is going to take some more years off our lives before we figure her out! Are you at the point yet, of only buying geldings from now on!! LOL!!!!!
 

Bonny
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LOL, and I still have ShyAnne to go! But at least with her I know when and to who!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, post more of the mare....some from the side, and another with her standing square from behind...I'd like to see them.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, i remain puzzled by cookie, and have in fact given up trying to figure out her dilemma! LOL I don't believe she's prego for several reasons....you don't see movement...well, technically, if she were bred in October, you'd just be starting to see movement. Her lump doesn't shift sides...though, it doesn't always...oh HELL...maybe she is?!?! There's definitely no reason why she'd look so prego for so long! She has gotten bigger since March when we first started talking about her, but I can't imagine (from the way she looked THEN) that she hasn't had a foal by now. She looked ready to blow back then, with the butt scratching thing and all...your mare is either really fat (on one side) (Maybe she has a tumor or something?) Or she's really fat and prego....we just don't know it yet. Your guess is as good as mine...hopefully the vet will see her and it'll all be said and done.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, Bonny, if your vet checked her in April by US, he would have surely seen a foal if she is due in the next month or so....how long was she exposed to the stally before you got her? He may have bred her thru a fence earlier than you think....AND I have a mare who occaisionally 'cycles' while bred....I dont' think it's hormonal....I just think she's a whore...!!!!LOLOLOL
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, This was the first abdominal us my vet ever did and first experience with a mini, he said not to count on his US.
The mare was with the stallion from April 07 - December 07. I brought her home the 29th of Dec, merry christmas to me.
Here are the pics from today. Hope this helps... I can get more if not.I dont have a real good one from behind...I will post that tomorrow.
Thanks again!

Remember this is her first foal...(IF)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08022.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08024.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08025.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08038.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-9-08027.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 02:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She just doesn't look huge to me...but sometimes the maidens hide it a little better. I wouldn't count on her going "mushy" around the croup either....that very often doesn't happen in minis...though it might. Keep an eye on that udder though, she looks like she's finishing up....my bet is 3-5 weeks...
When it appears "full" I'd start checking milk color/consistency. Watch her seriously when it gets sticky...don't wait for it to turn white. Look at your mare's udder from behind, between the legs....it'll change from an upside down "v" look to a "square across the bottom" look just before she foals....(not written in stone, but usually)
 

Bonny
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Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the hints! I will look for that.
The last few days she is carring her tail out and today she wouldnt let me take pics from behind she kept turning to see me. But if I take pics of her udder she is fine.
She has grown 12 inches in the tummy since I have had her 6 months. Could it be her baby is high?
And I got new udder pics this am.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08002.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08015.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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I'd watch that mare if I were you ....she's a maiden, and they sometimes hide it very well. Have you been seeing foal movement? I'll bet you're closer than you think. Have you expressed any fluid from her udder? Do it onto something black like a trash bag piece or film cannister lid...it'll turn from thin and clearish to yellow and thicker and stickier...then it'll start to go opaque white to milky color. I'd start checking now...do you have any vulva pics? Is she getting longer/looser in that area?
 

Joyce
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Bonny, when are you getting your camera? I hope soon. I don't think you have to spend a ton of money on an expensive one. There is also a monitor that you put on top of the halter crown, and I don't think that one is horribly expensive? Can anyone help with that?
 

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Of course I meant for information about the monitor that goes on top of the halter? I'm told these are alot cheaper than others? And where to purchase?
 

Bonny
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Ok this is what I have this afternoon. Not real good photos from behind, she moves to see what I am doing If I stand away from her. If I stand close she doesnt mind.Weird mare.
Her bag didnt seem to shrink as much this afternoon as she usually does.
Also she has loose stools today and she seems more grouchy. I never have seen movement but I havent been looking because she wasnt supposed to be bred. I have been focusing on my Paint mare that is 5 months in foal.
I do need to talk to hubby about the camera.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08029.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08025.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08036.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08039.jpg
 

Bonny
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Also she wont let me try to express fluid she moves away. Although she did let me feel her bag and it feels like tissue not fluid in there. Meaning more like a tissue than a balloon with water in it.
 

Diana Gilger
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I'd tie her up and check her milk, don't get kicked in the head or anything....but it'd be worth knowing where you stand, and it's the most reliable indicator. You can also get some hard water testing and ph strips....that'd help you narrow it down as well.
 

Bonny
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Diana, here is a good back side I finally got one

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08110-1.jpg
 

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whoa! she's huge...definitely doesn't look that big in the other photos! Keep your eye on that udder! Get some milk if you can!!!!
My maiden mare bagged to about that extent for about 3 weeks before foaling....my seasoned mares udders look like that only days before.
 

Bonny
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I am hoping thats a foal doing that.
I took that pic then I went back out later and that hump was gone again. This was the difference in about an hour. I am guessing its the foal shifting?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08110-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-10-08141.jpg
 

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Oh, you're still in the "I wonder if she's prego?" Stage!?!? I believe it's time to move onto the "preparing for a foal" stage....because that mare is definitely prego. Watch her flanks at dinner time...for about 30 minutes when she gets done eating. It is the best time to see foal movement. If you don't see it, wrap your arms around the mare (as if hugging her flanks) grab both sides of her belly, and give a jiggle. I'll bet you get movement.....
 

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Bonny and joyce.....you guys are so lucky to have such beautiful mares, I just love the grulla and grey. I have searched for a long time for a new mare, and researched color...grulla was definitely on my list....but I settled on this girl. She is 31" and confirmed in foal to a buckskin pinto for 2/09! She and the sire are from a long line of winning buckskins...great bloodlines, great looks, my new girl...!
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/Katelyn.jpg[/IMG]
 

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OH DIANA!! She is really something special! Congrats to you and her!! When is she due???

Bonny has decided to have lopsided udders this am! I dont know why she is doing this but ok.
And yea, I guess I am still in denial about her being in foal because I have been told since March that she wasnt in foal.I just keep thinking that she will shrink up or she will deliver a false pregnancy. I have tried to feel movement but I just dont feel anything. Thats probably why I also dont think she is.

to compare I will post pics.
January LOL!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/newbon014.jpg

July 5
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-5-08010.jpg
July 10
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/Copyof7-10-08016.jpg
July 11
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-11-08014.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-11-08018.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-11-08005.jpg

(Message edited by Bonny on July 11, 2008)

(Message edited by Bonny on July 11, 2008)
 

Bonny
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Here it is.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/newbon014.jpg
 

Joyce
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Cookie is NOT in foal, she is just fat! I am bringing my baby scale out to the barn and I'm going to start weighing her hay. My friend just bought a mini stallion and I am sending Cookie to see him tomorrow! I'm really thrilled! Cookie had been bred by her former owner to a 40" shetland pony. This way I can pick my stallion, and hopefully have a spring/summerish baby instead of going into winter. I just feel bad that my girl is so overweight. I sure will get her healty now!

Diana, that mare is spectacular!! I love her!! Can't wait to see that baby!!!!!! Lucky you!!!!!

I also love Cookies color. Thank you for the complement on her! She will be bred to a silver dapple pinto stallion! I'm getting pictures of him tomorrow! I'll post some!!!!!
 

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I am so glad you know! These mares!
 

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Yes, finally! Now we need to figure out when Bonny is going to foal! Baby steps, I guess. Just keep looking for signs and the minute you turn your back? A foal will appear!! LOL!!!!
 

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Joyce, well thank goodness we finally know...there were so many odd things about it! LOL I am very glad she wasn't bred to a 40 inch stallion, and that you'll get the foal of your own choosing. Grulla is the rarest in horse coat color, and she is amazing beautiful. it'll be ok for her to have that weight (almost helpful) while trying to get her bred...but you'll want it off by foaling time! It's hard on overweight mares to foal.
 

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You betcha Diana! I'll cut her back slowly of course! And we'll begin this adventure all over again!! AND Diana, thank you so much for all your help! I hope once we get Cookie in foal, I can count on you for information again! I really appreciate it!!
 

Diana Gilger
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Of course you can count on me! And I'll need more support than ever, cause I'll have 6 foaling next year!!!! (assuming all goes well) This year was only 2 and it about drove me nutty! In a way, I didn't feel like Cookie was in foal....but in another way, I kinda thought she might be...I've never seen a horse fat only on one side! LOL And with the tail rubbing thing, I expected she was....then when months passed and still no foal....my thoughts of her being prego diminished. I hope you're not upset that she's not....but it seems you have found the good in it, and are looking forward to breeding her. I'm excited for you to finally know what's going on with her. Let us know how her breeding goes, and keep us updated. Bonny and I still have a lot to figure out! haha!

Bonny, in your original post you said you had few more weeks to wait for bloodwork....did you do it yet?
She totally looks prego to me...and I'd bet within a few weeks. Does her vulva always look that way? That long? Or has it changed recently too?
 

Diana Gilger
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Oh, and when you decide to sell Cookie....she can come stay at my place ANYTIME!!!
 

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BONNY, THAT MARE LOOKS PREGNANT TO ME. I HAD ONE THAT HAD LOP SIDED UDDERS AND I WAS STUMPED TO. BUT ALL WAS FINE. WITH HER VULVA LOOKING THE WAY IT DOES, I WOULD SAY NOT TO FAR AWAY.
GOOD LUCK AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE HEALTHY FOAL.
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, the mare is due Feb 23, 09. She is bred to this boy....
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/indianauprt.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/indianabody.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/Indianaft.jpg[/IMG]
Pretty much, I think we'll get a buckskin or a buckskin pinto with their genetics. I'm not thrilled with the possibility of another pinto, but I can deal with it....I can't wait to breed the mare to my appy stallions!
 

Bonny
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Susan, thanks. I held her tummy while she ate this am and I still dont feel anything move. But I did run two fingers along her tummy from the top down and whats funny is at the top with a bit of pressure my fingers sink in but come about halfway down its as tight as a drum.
Diana that stud is so gorgeous! Your going to have a great foal from these two! I am keeping my fingers crossed for a buckskin pinto as I love the pintos! LOL!!!
Joyce, I am happy Cookie is going to the studs, by the time she is close I will be done with mine and hopefully can be help for you. But if nothing else a good shoulder to lean on .well that is if I am not at the funny farm!LOL

Today update on Bonny. Her udder (the bigger one) is a bit longer and the shorter one seems about the same. At this point it is getting hard for me to see differences daily. So I will post pics every few days.
Have y'all figured out that I am an analyzer yet??? I took some side pics of Miss Bonny this am and I swear she looks less preg to me than back in April. But she is bigger around per the tape measure. I am sure this is also normal and if this wasnt my mare I would think she was preg and fixing to foal. But being mine I dont trust my own opinion and need yall to walk me through this!LOL.
Thanks bunches and hope I am not driving yall crazy!
 

Diana Gilger
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Hey Bonny, from one analyzer to another, I beleive you're doing all the right things. I have always analyzed and over obcessed about my prego mares, and I have therefore been present at EVERY one of my foalings. I have saved 3 babies to date by being there early enough to reposition or help , and was able to be on scene early enough to save my mare once. It's worth it....a pain in the ass for the hubby, and no house work gets done...and by golly, people get SICK of hearing about the darh horses....but it's worth it!
 

Bonny
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LOL!!! Thats the truth!
I didnt bother doing the recent blood work btw because I doubt she would have this much of a bag from 65 days post breeding in May.
I am struggling with doing another wee foal test though. Its cheap and it would let me know if she is in fact preg. Then I tell myself whats a few more weeks? Haha I am driving myself nuts! There is a vet around the corner from me who is a woman and I may ask her to come and palpate. I dont know her personally but she is a friends vet.
 

Diana Gilger
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palpation would give you a definite answer! And if she's more than 300 days, wee foal won't work.
 

Bonny
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Pics from today.
Tummy:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-12-08059.jpg
Bonny, looking past ShyAnnes preg tummy
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-12-08074-1.jpg
 

Bonny
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Haha how is this for wide?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082019.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082026.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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hey bonny, any changes in udder or vulva that you've noticed between the date of the last photos to today? Baby has moved from her right side, and it doesn't look like it's on the other....
 

Bonny
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Well Bonnys udder is still changing but ever so slowly now. I can see small changes and one thing I had to work to get a drop of fluid and since last night I have two little holes in her nipple that gives me a few drops. And its very easy to get it. Its still clear. Last night she was acting like a nervous nelly but seemed better after a few hours. Also she had cow patty poop but it did firm up again. She has been doing that a lot the last few days. Also she is grouchy during the day and she is snoozing a lot and laying down to do so.I cant see anything odd when she is standing but I did see this when she was laying down:Kinda glad I took one from before!
Back in May
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/5-1-08061-1.jpg

Today
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082010.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, I'd bet you're within 2 weeks...if she goes that long. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but if she were mine, I'd be watching her closely. Take another one of her from square behind tomorrow, and one of the udder from behind, and post them. I'd like to see if baby moves back to the side. Have you noticed milk veins yet?
 

Bonny
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She does have milk veins.
you can sort of see them here
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-7-08054.jpg
 

Bonny
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Ok I think she seems lower so here are some pics fro now and from March ( about her 6th month if she is)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/3-27-08030-2.jpg
And now
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082062.jpg

Also a front shot
april 14
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/4-14-08013-1.jpg
and now
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082066.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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I don't think "if" is an option anymore....LOL
take vulva and udder shots in the morning...from behind. My mares start laying down and sleeping alot about a week before they foal....and check her milk 2x/day...am and pm...when it gets STICKY (sticky meaning sticky when it's wet...like honey)...sticky after it's dried on your fingers isn't the STICKY you're looking for...when it is STICKY she's VERY close. It seems you're doing a very good job keeping and eye on her, and I bet you have an awesome foaling diary when she foals. As days progress, continue to watch her behavior, and write down anything out of the ordinary and what day it happens. That way next time you breed her, you'll have tell tale signs to look for. I have one mare who shakes her head alot during the day, then foals at 9pm every time. Another stands in the same place for about 24 hrs....when she moves to another corner of the stall, I know she'll foal in hours. Also, they act very alert...every little noise has to be investigated....ears forward and almost spooky before foaling.
 

Bonny
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Ok so my picture taking skills were before coffee and I am not fully awake so they didnt come out very good.
But what I see that has changed is her bag is longer not so much fuller and it is starting to lower in the front.
I still get only clear fluid but it is much easier to express, well when she holds still. She doesnt want me to touch.
I cant tell a thing about her vulva at all when she is standing up.
But laying down it seems to be more relaxed. I dont know, and dont trust my opinion anyways. Thats why I am greatful for yall who are hanging in there and helping me through this. Mostly its Bonny that will benefit!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08001.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08016.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08013.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08007.jpg
 

Bonny
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I deleted the blurry pics here are the new ones.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08021.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08022.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08025.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Her vulva looks pretty relaxed to me, do you have any older pics of that for comparison? Her udder is hard to judge, as she is maiden, and that can change or not change before foaling....I'd keep watching it for changes, and check her milk until it's time..Most of the time with mine, if you can't get fluid out of them, it's not time....even when they appear full. When milk comes in, it'll be easy to express.
 

Bonny
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Thanks Diana. I will keep you updated.
 

Bonny
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Diana I took some pics today that if you would look at I would appreciate. I think her hips are sinking but not sure.
Also the last few days she has been very alert and grouchy, jumpy. Today she seems sluggish?

On with the pics.
july2
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08020.jpg
July 15
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08031.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-2-08019.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08033.jpg

Also she has these ligaments sticking out now. I think they show more from the sinking? But you can really se them on the right side where the shadow makes lines.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08029-1.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, it's so hard to tell anything from up above photos. The easiest ones to tell anything from come from square on the side (at belly level) and from directly behind. It's hard to tell if her hips are sinking or not from that photo, she could just be standing with one foot more forward. Everyday when I go to see preo mares, I touch them on the rump....you'll notice when they start to go jello!
 

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I didn't mean from the "photos in the above post"....I meant in photos taken from above the horse! LOL
 

Bonny
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Ok someone else told me that! Look at this...Jello or no jello? LOL!!! BTW when I checked her fluid this afternoon, it squirted out all over my hand, still clear but I was surprised as before I was lucky to get a few drops!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08047.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08050.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=7-15-080 60.flv
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, from the second pic, it definitely appears that she is starting to fall away at the hips. Couldn't tell much from the video, as I would push about 6 inches higher than her tail, and about 4 inches to the right of her dorsal line....so about right in the top middle of her hip, not so much at the tail. Sounds like she's getting closer, let's just keep an eye on her! Is her baby still balanced in the middle ? Or has it moved to one side or the other like it was?
 

Bonny
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She was more sluggish today and she seemed thinner width wise to me. And her sides looked flatish.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08078.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08080.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boy, she sure does.....and she's been that way for a few days, huh? What does her udder look like tonight? And her vulva? Any changes?
 

Bonny
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Actually she just started looking thinner today, well more so than than yesterday. Even more so than this morning. Her udder looked the same but it really let me get the fluid today. Still clear.
The last few days she was so grouchy and today she was sluggish and even came to me a few times.
I didnt notice any changes in her vulva but I didnt look, I will take you a new pic in the am.
What are you thinking?
 

Bonny
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http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-13-082066.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-15-08080.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Well, that you're getting closer of course! LOL It's just so hard to tell in maidens, and if she were mine, I'd be watching her like a hawk. It's probably still safe to sleep thru the night, and without pics of vulva, it's hard to tell...but usually, when baby moves into position, the mares sides go flat (instead of baby being on one side)...coupled with significant udder changes, and relaxation of the hips and vulva, usually results in baby within about 10 days or so. Easiest thing to do is continue to check fluid...when it gets noticably stickier, put on a pot of coffee...it'll usually be within 48 hrs, but with a maiden, could be 2 or could be 72, but I bet it will fall within that time frame.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems she was wider this am. And I couldnt get a fluid sample again.

Any way here are this am pics. I dont see a change in her vulva, and I will try the feel for jello where you said. I will also take some front and behind pics in a bit . Thanks again.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08008.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08013.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08012.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08010.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you seeing foal movement ? Watch her eat...then for about 30 minutes, the intestines roaring away tends to get them moving in the flank area.
Her vulva doesn't look as relaxed as it did, (might be camera angle), and her udder will come and go until it's time.

Where's Joyce????? She just abandoned us to go and get Cookie bred....how's it going with the breeding cookie
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's the skinny on the entire situation. If you're not seeing foal movement, all this other stuff might be for nothing. it is a possibility that the mare might not be bred ( like cookie ). But, she definitely looks prego, and she exhibits many of the signs of foaling coming soon. Her udder will continue to fill and go away, and it will always be easier in the evening to get milk than the morning. Her vulva will look long one day, and not the next. And the baby will move from being on one side, to looks in position to foal. Best thing you can do is monitor the milk situation or have her palpated. She looks this morning to be just going thru the changes, and still may be several weeks away. email me your address, and I will mail you some helpful tools. Have you gotten any hard water test strips? If not, I will send you some...it's a very easy test to do, and all you would have to do is buy distilled water. my email is kdgilger@att.net .
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bonny, don't know if you got my other email or not, I somehow deleted your address, and need you to resend it. I never meant to send you 2 of the same thing, my computer locked up while sending, then I restarted it...I guess it was still in the outbox or something.
 

Bonny
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It happens! LOL
I e mailed you back.
He said she looks preg to him but he thinks she has about 6 weeks to go.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's really hard to tell in maidens how long they have to go sometimes....Some don't even bag to give you warning, so you're lucky. I don't know how he would tell she was that far away. Pretty much if the mare has started developing an udder, six weeks is a good guess...but some don't develop until about 2 weeks away, and it varies with different mares. That is why I am sending you stuff in the mail. it'll help you monitor where she stands, with all the other clues. I BETCHA we'll know the exact day she foals before she does it, if we hang in there and watch her. I have never yet missed a foaling on my place, and you seem to be as much of an obsessor as me! LOL!!! Do you have a camera at your barn? How far is your barn from your house?
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not to mention your original post was 2 weeks ago, when bonny first started developing an udder...Which brings us back around to my 2-4 weeks suggestion! LOL
 

Bonny
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Her pen is set up about 50 feet from the house.I check her in the morning and off and on through out the day.
Then I check her right before I go to bed and once or twice in the night when I wake up.Back up early again in the am. :-)
Can you tell me a brand of camera? We have been looking and its difficult.Because we have no electricity where she is we need a wireless cam, but heard the battery life is bad. So havent decided on a camera.
I figure once she starts developing again I will know its close and can work on keeping a closer eye on her. I know it can happen quickly, but with as early and late as I check her I should catch her starting to make progress again.
Will her milk for sure change from clear to colostrum before she foals?
I am going out to check on her soon. I will get more pics.
Also he did say her tail has to much resistance to be 'close to foal'. He said once her tail has little to no resistance she is very close. So Now I have one more thing to check.LOL!
 

Bonny
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OK Here are pics from tonight see what you think. I am curious why she has wrinkles under her vulva ? thats odd and it puffed out in the center.Is it the way she is standing?
compared to before
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-14-08007.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08021.jpg

And more
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08023.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08026.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08027.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah, thought I mentioned the tail thing....it's not always reliable, and I don't use it on all my mares, b/c the ones who don't want youfooling around back there will suck that tail up regardless. Is her pen covered from the rain? I have a camera I can send you (don't use it anymore) all you'd have to do is plug in an extension cord at the house and run it down to the pen....and with 50 ft, any cam should work.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you serious? You would send me a camera?
I did make her a covered area in her pen. Her pen is 16x16 and a 10x10 tarp for coverage.
We had plans to start a barn in the fall, but this happened and I felt I needed a safe area for her at night because we have wild hogs and coyotes. didnt want her foaling in the pasture!
 

Diana Gilger
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wild hogs huh? how many acres do you have? I'll come hunt them for you! LOL My husband and I are big hunters...and hog hunting in south texas is my favorite!
Yep, I'd send you one. Send me a pic of your setup, so I'll know which one to send. The only stipulation is that you send it back to me after foaling, so that we can then use it as our first official "loaner camera"...and send it on to Joyce when Cookie foals, and so on....didn't you say you have a big mare due to foal too? When is she due?
 

Bonny
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I live on 12 acres with 75 wooded acres behind me. We hunt also! My son and I went hunting in our 8 acres and he got a 175 lb boar! Woo hoo! ( 30/30 BTW)
Ok I will send you a pic tomorrow of the shelter I have she sleeps on the straw under it!
I will send it to Joyce if you want! That way I help pay my way! :-)
My Paint is due in Jan and we should have the barn built by then complete with electricity!
I will also send you a pic of my son and his hog!
Did I tell you we also breed Yorkshire hogs? LOL they are our pets!
 

Diana Gilger
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Cool, was hoping not to offend anyone by offering to kill their animals...LOL!!! As long as there is a way to keep the camera from getting wet, it should be ok. It was very expensive, and is actually intended to go inside....but works very well for a foaling cam! I had to order it from Hong Kong, b/c nobody in the states sold the model I wanted. It is a pan tilt camera, and I have suggested it to many on this board, and everyone seems to like it. I'd love to share hunting pics with you! My husband recently shot a huge (300+lb) boar, and made a hogskin rug out of it....like you'd see with a bear on the floor of a lodge or something. It's a little scary, but cool!
 

Joyce
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You guys are nuts!!! LOL!!!!!

I have great news!! I just got a phone call and Cookie was bred this morning!!! I'm so excited!!! I miss her so much, I can't wait to bring her home. My poor Beauty is so sad too. Horses sure don't like to be alone. :-(
 

Bonny
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I am so happy for you Joyce! This is great news! I really hope she takes for you!
BTW I dont think that cam will work for me Diana, I would have to put it in a tree. I wouldnt want it to get wet so w/out a barn I will skip, but thanks so much for the offer. I will work on Hubby more!(wink wink!)
I dont want to jinx myself but Bonnys vulva was more pink inside than pale peach today....
 

Bonny
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW is this the Diana/Joyce/Bonny thread or what? Others are welcome!
 

Emily West, Zita born 4/12
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny,
I have been reading just not posting. :-)
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny here's a link to the halter device Joyce was talking about, but again, need electricity and a baby monitor to hear it.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emily feel free to state your opinions! The more the merrier!
 

Bonny
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OK so I decided to take another wee foal just to see if it would be positive and settle my nerves!

POSITIVE!!!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-17-08058.jpg
 

Joyce
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I'm so excited I CANT STAND IT!!!!!!!!! I wish we had a dang clue when she is due!!!!!!
 

Diana Gilger
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how'd you get her to pee on that?
LOLOLOL!!!!!
kidding...!
But you're not telling me anything I didn't know. How's the udder and vulva today? Any changes?
Milk?
I haven't put your pkg in the mail yet, but will probably tomorrow. I have to drive to Fort Worth to drop off a mare and to Decatur, TX to pick up my new mare! I am so excited to get her.....then i have to drive back to Oklahoma city....gonna be along day, and gonna leave at 6am...goodnight!
(and I'm glad you're finally convinced! )
Joyce, only about 3 weeks till you can confirm Cookie!!!! I'm very excited for you!
Did you post pics of the stallion yet?
 

Joyce
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First of all, I'm so glad everything is going well for Bonny!! I'm so excited for you!!

Here are the pictures of the stallion that Cookie is being bred to. I have to get better ones. I miss her so much it's awful! I should be able to bring her home the beginning of the week!!

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSC01234.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSC01217.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/silverdapplestudcolt004.jp g[/IMG]
 

Jan Owen
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Congratulations all around! Joyce, a very handsome stallion you should get a beautiful baby! BonnY, who would of thought that a stick could be so beautiful! Can't wait to see you little ones!
 

Joyce
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Thanks Jan!

Bonny needed that for sure!!!! I'm thrilled for her!!!!
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, that stallion is homozygous, isn't he? You ought to get a great looking baby!!! Can't wait to see what he and your Grulla girl do!
 

Joyce
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, he is Diana! My girlfriend just bought him. They bred again this morning! Thank you! I'm so excited!!!!

Now, tell us about your new girl!!!
 

Bonny
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Woo Hoo Joyce! 2 days in a row!!!

OK Diana new pics! Bonny has had loose stools all day and this is her vulva shots. Please tell me what you think!
April-
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/4-15-08025.jpg
July 16
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-16-08040.jpg
Today!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-17-08098-1.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, did you look at her milk consistency and color? She's definitely getting closer, but without the total picture, it's not much help! I'm so excited for all of us!!!!

My new mare is even tinier and prettier than the pics showed, they do her no justice at all!!!! I think she could stand to gain about 40 lbs, and she will...but she is soooo sweet. She is starved for food and attention, even though you couldn't tell it from the photos much. I have learned that she is not your regular buckskin, but is a color called buttermilk buckskin....she looks kinda washed out. I can't wait to bathe her and post more photos of her, she's very nice, and almost yellow! Bonny, udder/milk updates, please!!!
Jello? C'mon, ya gotta gimme something. I hadn't planned on sending your package out till monday...hope she lasts! LOL
 

Bonny
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LOL, I think she may be thinking of starting with the udder again, but I am not sure yet.Today her bag is a bit fuller, just enough to tell so we will see if it is about to start back up or not.
She still has loose stools this am. I wont get much time to spend with her until after noon, so I will update more then.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana! Look a tiny piece of udder from behind!
She is starting to grow again!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-20-08010.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-20-08007.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-20-08006.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-20-08003.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-20-08009.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, where did I miss the post that said her udder had gone down??? Am i losing my mind? I didn't realize it had!
 

Diana Gilger
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Joyce, any news on Cookie? How are things?
 

Bonny
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Hi Diana, it hadnt gone down it just kind of came to a standstill for a few days. Today its a bit bigger than yesterday no significant process.
I do have to ask, she needs her hoofs done and the farrier is coming today thankfully! But she seems to be walking weird like her back end is off stride with her front? IDK maybe a good trim is what she needs!
 

Joyce
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I went up to see my Cookie Monster on Saturday, I couldn't stand not seeing her any longer! She is well and is still happily breeding. The first day she bred was Thursday, maybe today will be the last, or tomorrow? I just can't wait to bring her home!

Bonny, this has been such a long haul for you! I'm thinking of you as always!

Diana, your new mare sounds awesome and is lucky to have you! Now she will get all the love she deserves! She sounds like a sweetheart....
 

Bonny
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Also she is doing something weird, she has her tail up and she acts as if she is pushing her vulva out then she winks several times. She holds her tail real high when she does it.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08035-1-1.jpg


http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08027.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08023.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny, I bet the trim doesn't help the stride! This is what mares do before foaling....her ligaments are loosening up, and she's getting ready ! She probably has much pressure on her vulva, similar to when a human is close to birthing.....
Doing great.....keep watching!

Joyce, they're not breeding cookie every day, are they?
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, had you just braided her tail when she started doing that? My stallion will lift his tail up like that if you braid his tail....
 

Joyce
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Bonny's getting closer!!!!!

Diana, I don't think they are breeding Cookie everyday. My friends mare is also there being bred. I know Mocha was bred this morning. They are going to try with Cookie again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll get to take her home tomorrow?

How many days are they ususally in a standing heat for?????
 

Bonny
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Joyce they can stand for a long time! Shy stood for 10 days.

Diana I have been keeping her tail braided. This is new behavior. She kind of arches her back when she odes it. I will try to get it on video. Its like she is going to poo but she doesnt then she winks. But her legs arent spread and she doesnt haunch down like a pee or a heat, she kind of does an arch up real quick then applies pressure then winks.
 

Joyce
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I now have the plan. Michelle and I are going to get them tomorrow. We are bringing home Michelles stallion also. I can just continue to bring Cookie over to Michelles to be bred as she is only 10 minutes from me.

Bonny has got to be feeling PRESSURE!! Look at that bag!!!! You must be excited and nervous!! :-)
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, I bet it's just baby putting pressure in tight spots. I have mares that stand for several 5-7 days...
Many mares will show heat, yet not "stand"...until the end of the cycle. I tease my mares the first couple of days, and only put them with the stallion when they back up to him. Some will show heat, and still try to get away....or object when the stallion mounts....I do not breed during that part of the heat. Typically, my mares will be bred 2 x during heat, and it'll be 48 hrs apart.
Bonny, I went ahead and sent you a camera....don't worry, it is waterproof, and doesn't need to be returned to me. It was a baby monitor that I modified when I didn't have any other way to do it, and I'll never use it again. It is adjustable, but not pan tilt, I believe it will work out great for the set up you have. Just put a screw in a tree or post near the pen, and mount the camera on it...you can then reach in the bag (you'll see) and adjust the angle of the camera. Best of all, if it gets messed up, nobody will care....if it doesn't, you have one to use on Shyeanne.
 

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Aww, Diana, you didnt have to do that!
But thank you very much.

My farrier did her hooves they look much nicer!
Yes she is still walking funny. He said he didnt think she was that far along as to foal. the mares he does he says are much wider when they are ready to foal.
I dont know what to think! I am going to just keep watching. My vet said he now has a rectal probe and he will try to do some research to see how to US her rectally.
So maybe next week he can come back out.
 

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Your farrier may be right, but minis and maidens are harder to judge. She might still be a ways away, but since you don't know, it's not a bad idea to keep an eye out. I know I didn't have to, but I figured since it was just sitting in the drawer, what the heck!
Maybe you can get some good use out of it
 

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Diana you are so nice!!!!! Thank you for doing that for Bonny! Wow!!!

Thank you for that breeding information. There actually is a stallion I wouldn't mind getting my hands on. He's 5 years old and lives in a stall. He hardly ever gets turned out and they've had him since he was a baby. Do you think he could adjust to a paddock with a run-in stall situation being fenced off from Cookie and my big mare. Or do you think he'd be a major handfull for the rest of his life? I feel so sorry for him.....I don't even know if they'd sell him anyway.
 

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Bonny, you should receive your package tomorrow!!
Let me know when you get it.
Joyce, he may be kept in a stall for a reason...I have one who doesn't know how to handle himself whether out with mare or in a paddock...He paces continuously when he's penned up, and tries to mount even bred mares when he's out with them...he's a never ending pain in the ass, and the only way to keep him is in the stall during the day, and let him out at night when the girls are put up. They have to be allowed access to the rest of the herd, but fencing b/w them is fine, as long as he's not hurting himself trying to get thru it! I currently have 2 stallions, and I have to keep them both separated from each other, and from the girls.....and put an electric fence b/w the pastures so they don't kill each other. Owning a stallion is a pain in and of itself.....and if they're problem guys (as most men are) it's even more so! LOL
 

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I think that will work out well Joyce, that way, just in case, she doesnt take you will be able to bring her back again. How are you going to find out if she is pregnant?

LOL, silly tired Bonny:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08085.jpg
 

Bonny
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Also new happenings.....
more tail rubbing.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08092.jpg
 

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Look at sleeping beauty!! She is a beauty for sure!!!!!

Diana, the people that own this boy are senior citizens. They have a huge place, cut their own hay and are in incredible shape for people thier age. However, the woman won't take him out of the stall. She makes her husband do it. I only saw him in the stall, except when the husband took him out to breed a mare right outside of his stall and put him right back in. This boy is small. How much of a handfull could he be to just lead him out and put him in the round pen right outside the barn door???The woman said she WONT handle him! His tail must drag at least 5 feet on the ground behind him and he has a double sided mane that goes on forever. He was quiet as a lamb in his stall. I just feel bad for him. Heck, I'd take him and geld him. There were 2 mini mares with foals in their stalls also. :-( They have quite a few BIG horses and they are all outside! They have TONS of land! What is wrong with these people.....
 

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Weird shape tummy pics. Diana wonder what you think of these.Also take a look at her tail head area.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08102.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08105.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08122.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-21-08126.jpg
 

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Makes me wonder how in the world your farrier thought she wasn't huge! haha!
She looks as if she's getting a little fuller in the flanks
 

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Well today Bonnys udder isnt as big as it was the last 2 days. IDK what that means if anything. could be normal.
Some days I feel like she is about to foal and others I dont know if she is only a couple of months. I really hope the vet can come out next week and help me out!
This mare has me going in circles!
 

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Diana I sent you an e mail. with pics of Bonny after I gave her a bath and of her walk.
Her udder has gone down so much today. I am not sure whats going on.
 

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The video was most helpful, and after seeing it, I wonder if she doesn't have quite a ways to go yet. All you can do is have a vet look or keep looking yourself!
For the fact that Bob thought about 6 weeks, and he saw her in person, I'd think he's pretty close. He's been doing it a long time, and foals out hundreds of mares a season.
 

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Diana thanks again. I am pretty confused again.I am posting new pics from this evening, and a video.
I am at a loss as to why he bag just started to disappear.
Also she seems skin and bones in her back end tonight.Look at her hip bones sticking out and does her tail head seem more prominent?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-22-08089.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-22-08086-1.jpg
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=7-22-080 91.flv
 

Bonny
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Ok so I got your package Diana, the camera works awesome! I am so very greatful. Because of the heat during the day I am going to take the camera out when I put her up at night and bring it in during the day. I cant thank you enough. You are wonderful.
I also havent read the papers yet but tonight will when I have time.( sitting watching miss Bonny):-)

Her udder did come back up this am and is still full today. Not really sure what that was all about.
I am really confused with this mare, not knowing if she is preg from stallion 1, 2 or 3.
I did notice today that she drinks a lot of water. I am not sure but that may be why she has loose poo. Not really sure why other than the heat but she is drinking a lot.
 

Diana Gilger
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They tend to drink more in the last weeks before foaling. I have noticed that too
Glad you got the package. Hope it works out for you.
On the video you posted above, she looks huge again....camera angle is so deceiving sometimes. She looks good though. Does she always hold her tail that way? Up and out? If you grab her tail and try to pull it strait up, can she pull it back down? Or is she kinda loose there yet?
She sure is pretty

Joyce.....is Cookie home yet?
Did you buy yourself a stallion?
 

Bonny
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Thanks Diana, tail is still firm. But she does look big again today . Udder still bigger but not huge.
BTW I need to send you your quilts back! You need to send my your address!

She started the tail thing a few weeks ago. I dont know if its from the loose stools or not.

She has me very confused( as usual):-)
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-23-08051.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-23-08067.jpg

New videos! What ya think???

http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=7-23-080 80.flv
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/?action=view&current=7-23-080 81.flv
 

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Also Diana I was reading your notes on Princess frekles, you mentioned shedding, weird because the last few days Bonny has been shedding some on her back, weird for this time of year. I must say this has helped me reading these!
 

Joyce
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Diana, Cookie is home!! She was bred while I was there yesterday morning, just before I took her home. I took her over to be bred this evening and I am not bringing her back until Friday.

NO I don't have a stallion yet. I'm afraid this poor boy probably has no manners and has never been taught how to respect at all. I will be keeping my eyes and ears open to see if they will sell him though. I feel so bad for him. :-(

Bonny, so glad to hear you have a camera! Diana, you are something special for sure!!!!!!

(Message edited by luv2ridesaddleseat on July 23, 2008)
 

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Bonny, the foal is on her right side, and has not yet moved into position. You have at least a week of good sleep left, I'd think! LOL I thought to include the notes on last years mares, just to help out with some stuff to look for . I always keep records on them, and of the foal when they are born. Be sure to keep notes on time of foaling, standing, nursing, and meconium...the vet will want to know when you call them out to do an Igg (if you do)
The quilts I packaged with are unimportant, use them for the dogs bed, or throw them away....LOL

Joyce, sometimes the act of "rescuing" a horse is much more fulfilling than the outcome. LOL Rescuing him from that stall would be nice, but think hard about how much you're willing to put up with as far as bad behavior goes....you've got a peaceful thing going on right now.
I rescued my tiny snowcap stallion from certain death, and he was 14 months old and had NEVER been touched, he was skinny, petrified of people, and would literrally shake at the thought of someone touching him.....it was one of those times that it was most rewarding, as he is now a beautifully sweet boy, and even my kids can play all around him. And he comes running when you go outside!
 

Diana Gilger
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Hey Bonny, are you watching your horse on the camera????????
(I bet you are)haha!
 

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LOL, I did for a little bit to see how well it worked in the dark! It works great!:-) :-) :-)

I am playing with the location to get it right and it was so cute to see her ( not to mention HEAR her) lay down and sleep.

Diana what do you think of the new videos?
I wish I could thank you in a special way. You have been so wonderful and helpful.

BTW did you leave that camera unit outside all day? I am worried about the heat so I am going to bring it in during the day.
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, I think she's huge in the new videos, but there's nothing else I can tell in particular. I did leave the camera outside all day, but it was somewhat in the shade. It should be fine, I just wouldn't leave it on all day....it doesn't get a good picture in the sun anyway...at least not how I had it set up.
The camera is nice to be able to hear on. I usually just watch the mare in silence, until I know she's in labor.....then I put on my shoes and turn up the sound. When I hear the water break, I head for the barn. It's very handy! LOL
If you're truly handy AND obsessive (like I was) you can set up the monitor right by the computer, so you can obsess over more than one aspect at a time....!LOLOLOL You don't need to thank me, I enjoy doing it. (Unless you want to send me that ROCK on your finger that shows up in every photo!LOLOLOL!!!!) kidding.. My husband thinks I"m a total whack job for for getting all worked up over someone else's horse....*sigh*...he may NEVER understand....I didn't have anyone around to help me when I lost my first miniature foal...nobody to tell me what to look for, what was normal, what wasn't , what to do when emergencies happen, and best of all, what to do when the vet AIN'T COMIN....it was scary. And I don't mind helping with what little I can do.
 

Bonny
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I bet IF I ever do this again, I will be much more relaxed. Mostly because I will know when to watch for signs of labor, as with Shy. At least I know when she is due. It did concern me at first when she got big quickly but she has settled in nicely. Bonny however has been keeping me going since the day I bought her, knowing she was pasture bred, and the owners not having a general idea of when. Basically I was given a 6-8 month window. Well thankfully we are near the end of that!
I also get excited for other peoples critters, just sharing in the joy! I also am waiting one more week to see if our pig is bred this will be the 3rd cycle with this boar.
Well your helping me a bunch even though you dont think so, because tapping into that knowledge is priceless!
 

Diana Gilger
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Keep track of all the "strange" stuff she does...write it down, and with dates. This way you'll know for next time about how far in advance you start seeing them happen, and you'll have an idea of when she'll foal. I do this with all my mares, even the ones I know well. Mares tend to repeat themselves in their foaling history. Also, if I see something unusual, I can tell something is wrong if it's not typical for that mare.
BTW, ROLLING IS BAD...no matter what mare it is! If she's started contractions, and is rolling, get the vet NOW. Have one on call if possible, or have a nearby haul in facility at your disposal. Things normally go fine, and sometimes you'll have to reach in and grab a leg...but when they're bad, your mare's life may depend on having a vet quickly. Do you have the book "Blessed Are the Broodmares"? I would very much suggest it, and you can get it on amazon.com for like $8.00....it will save you much confusion, and might help you save your mare or foals life.
 

Bonny
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I dont have that book, but have a few others. I have helped turn a few mini pygmy goats that had kids turned wrong. The worst was the tiny pygmy with two feet and the head turned sideways. I was the one with the smallest arms so I had to go all the way in. It was a very good learning experience.
One I hope never to have to repeat!!

I will start a journal on Bonny, Bet its going to be very long!
 

Bonny
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I know I read on this forum somewhere recently where a mare had whit spots on her udder near foaling. What is this and whats it look like? I ask because I saw this on bonny Yesterday:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-23-08004.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny, Diana & Joyce:

I must have been sleeping...I think I've missed this thread all together.

Poor Bonny...I'm glad Diana has been keeping you company out here on foal watch because I for one, fell down on the job! You need all the buddies you can get when foal watch is still happen' !!! (Sorry...I was just doing the foal watch happy dance)

I just looked at your picture of the white spots....hehehe...you're getting closer!!!

And Bonny!!!! My pig soul mate! We have hogs too and I have such a great time with my pig maternity ward!
 

Bonny
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Oh Bobbie, I love my piggies! Mine are yorks, hopefully preg as we speak with our first litter* dreamy eyes*:-) How long you been doing pigs?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/6-18-08016-1.jpg

March:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/3-20-08009-1.jpg
Today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-23-08002.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-24-08036-1.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Bobbi! I thought of you when bonny said she had pigs....don't think she was around when we were harassing jonathan about riding them!!! LOL too funny! We haven't been on official foal watch...as we've been trying to figure out when the poor mare is due! She's within 6 weeks..we've narrowed it to that....but now she's seeing white spots.....did any of your mares do that? How close to foaling?
 

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Bonny, you know I am a dog groomer! You need to bring those dirty piggies over to my home salon for a "spa treatment"!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
 

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Joyce- piggies are supposed to be dirty!

Poor Bonny, she has that 'Oh Man, am I fat!' look on her face...
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-24-08045.jpg
 

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I KNOW!!! LOL!!!!!! But I bet she'd really like her Blueberry Facial!!!!!

Bonny looks awesome!!!!! I'm so dang excited!!!!!!
 

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Joyce look at the comparison!
Poor Bonny needs a makeover! I didnt think she was that big...
Feb 21, then today!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/2-21-08.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-24-08045.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Baby's on the left today....
 

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wow poor girl! she looks misrable! after the blueberry thing. i startd to think of willy wonka when the umpalumpas rolled the (girl)blue berry out... Theyer gona come roll bonny away. Poor girl


my madian droped 3 weeks out. i got the salt 4 times, wax 2 times and bag up then down for almost 8 weeks strait every other day up then down. her milk even tested on the 24 hr mark 2 different times then back to clear. The night before her bag was small no wax no salt no pacing (witch she did for off on on for 2 weeks). then in broad daylight plop!!!!little black baby!!!!!

do you have any from the side? has she "V'ed" yet?
this is the pic of her the day she foaled...about 5 hrs before...
http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/newyearsbaby05/?action=view&current=DCA M0054.jpg

this was the only new development the day she foaled
http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/newyearsbaby05/?action=view&current=DCA M0058.jpg
thats all edema on her side. i could rub it and move it around. It came over night.
 

Bonny
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This is from the side Corina. I dont see a v yet and
btw your mare is beautiful.
this was yesterday.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-24-08054.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Diana: LOL!!! We have had such fun with DUHH this year! (I miss Jonathan & Tim) I'll bet you did think of me..hahahaha! You probably thought, OMG...not another pig person...hahahaha! By the way...thanks for your support.

Bonny: Yes, I had one of my mares exhibit the white spots (salting). She did this off and on for about two weeks prior to delivery. Lena did this once as well, again about two weeks prior.

I love the comparison photos...makes you appreciate her prego state!

I think I finally got the whole flank area thing that Jonathan was discussing with me with regard to anticipating delivery, and from your photos, I'm guessing you're not there yet. Keep posting photos and when (and if) I can notice the change, I will definately voice my guess for you on when she's going to give you the little darling.

corina: wow...your timeline pretty much fit what my mare did too with the salting...

Bonny: There ya go...that's two of us that say you've got another few weeks left yet. But then again, mother nature has her own schedule! LOL

Joyce: Hahahaha...I don't know about the pigs, but I could sure use a spa treatment. LOL! Bonny's pigs do what mine do...I have black hogs which are extremely vulnerable to the heat so they have a big ole pond in their pig pen and it is usually fall before we can actually see their skin/hair under all that mud bath! My pigs look like Bonny's...LOL...ALWAYS have a layer of mud on them! We have 3 that are York crosses (white/gray) and our dirt(mud) is red...its so funny because their hair is dyed red from the mud for the summer!

Bonny: I've been doing pigs for 5 years now. Had LOTS and LOTS of babies...is this your first litter? If I can help with any advice or what to expect, let me know. If you've been doing pigs for awhile I'm sure that you already know what to expect. Hehehe...
 

Diana Gilger
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Hey! Where did all these people come from?!?! LOL
Welcome Bobbi...! Good to see ya migrating around to this side of things!
 

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Baby pigs are loud when you pick em up.....and only my 2 year old daughter has a more shrill voice...
 

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No problem Bobbi, she harshed out on me on another page, so I guess I was already offended when I saw it AGAIN.
 

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Bonny is still the same today. No changes. Bah humbug.
Bobbi, did I tell you she is a maiden mare? I cant remember.
Diana I used the camera last night to start learning her sleeping position and location. She lays down a lot and will lay flat out some. She sleeps right in the spot I thought and the camera works so well!
Yes this is our first piglets. will know next week if she took this time.
Why am I still not convinced she is going to foal this summer?
 

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you people with your pigs are all a bunch of fruitcakes!! LOL!!!!!! Just kidding of course!!

Cookie is still in a raging heat tonight as she bred again with the stallion. Enough already!! She started breeding last Thursday, today is Friday. I'm bringing her over again on Sunday. The breeder would rather do everyday instead of every other day. Cookie doesn't even look like the same horse! Honestly, she has lost weight and toned up and she looks AMAZING!!!!

Bonny is just getting bigger by the day. Yes, we all wish we knew exactly when she was bred! But we don't, so we'll have to deal with it! She is in good hands for sure!!!!!!
 

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I'm gonna guess bonny will foal b/w August 22 and 29th....and there's a filly in there....
C'mon Bonny, don't let me down....I'm usually so good at this game!

Joyce, that's funny! Cause I was just talking to my husband and referring to the "fruitcake pig people" online!!!! LOL (kidding)
 

Diana Gilger
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JOyce, I'd recommend reading Jos's other posts on breeding daily & contamination....She sure stays in a long time!
 

Joyce
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Diana, I would love to read that article by Jos! I can't find it, where is it???

My friend that just bought this stallion and I always seem to do things exactly the opposite with horses. It makes it hard. :-(
 

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I try to think like more of a natural way. In the wild, horses would breed daily, several times a day.
But I am no expert. If she is still accepting him I would let her breed every other day because they ovulate at the end of the heat. Dont want to go through all this and miss it!
I bet by early next week she is out. Then the wait begins!

Bonny is the same today.
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know where it is, I'd have to search for it! Yes, they ovulate at the end of the cycle, which is why I tend to wait till the last few days, then breed once every other day....usually 3 times max. Sperm lives in the mare for 48 hrs., so technically, you'll not miss it if you breed every other day until she's out of standing heat. I have had mares who will not get bred in pasture (naturally) and then have to be flushed and given antibiotocs for contamination infections. Then, when hand bred, just once at end of cycle, they take. I have always assumed it was because they lack the constant fluid in there causing contamination.
 

Bonny
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Very true also!


I have a somewhat puzzling question.The farrier said I should be able to feel the uterus in the mare is she was 4-6 weeks from due. He said is should be hard higher up than what it is. So I am going to post a pic and show you where her tummy is hard and where he said it should be. If you agree with him it may help solve this!

yellow is hard. Green is soft.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-25-08044-1-1.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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OMG!!!! BONNY IS CHANGING COLORS....! LOL
You have amazing artistic ability....I don't know that it necessarily gets "hard" I have never noticed this, but the green area is the most likely place to see/feel foal movement in late term.
 

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they do tend to fill out there (green) that might be what hes referring to.
 

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Bonny, you're going to have to write a book when this is all over! :-) Anything new on our Bonny girl today??

I'm breeding Cookie again tonight. The first time they bred her was on Thurs the 17th. When I brought her over on Friday night she was still in full heat! I hope this gets over soon!
 

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I can understand! I want this pregnancy to be over! and you want the breeding over. LOL
Bonny is fine she seems nervous acting again today, her udder still minimal and she seemed ' tight' today. I dont know how else to describe her tummy. Her tummy is usually what I call loose and hangy, but today it seems tight.
 

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I dont know, maybe its not tight or maybe she ate to much hay, lol.
Today pic.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-27-08004.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-27-08020.jpg
 

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Yikes! Bonny is growing one beautiful baby in there for sure!!!

Cookie happily bred again tonight! When is this going to end?????? Will she still be in heat on Tuesday?? Heck, Thursday will be two weeks!!
 

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I bet by tuesday she will be out. At least you know she is willing! I sure hope this time she gives you a foal!
 

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You're probably right Bonny! Dang, she is such a little hussy!!! LOL!!!!!

I hope all is well with Bonny tonight!!
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny? Changes? She looks so cool with her mane cut, kinda like some kind of wild horse! LOL
 

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Nothing new to report.
Her udder is still about the same fuller in the am.

Diana do you think she may only be 165-276 days? That would put her almost 6 months. Or do you think she is closer like Aug/ sept? I am waiting for the vet to call with an appointment time.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08002.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08011.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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you don't typically see udder development until about 6-8 weeks before foaling. You first reported her udder filling on July 2nd....therefore, I believe she's within a month or so from now. If she's to the point where she's fuller in the am, and down in the pm...she's within weeks. When her udder is full in the am, and still full in the pm, you're within days.
 

Diana Gilger
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Keep in mind that that is the "usual" scenario...and maidens can throw you for a loop. I'd think that Bob would be pretty close...and given he's seen her in person and I have not....we're both still kinda in the same frame of mind. WE've seen a lot of mini foalings, and it's very rare that things vary much from 'the norm'...although, there's always that "ONE". I'm excited for you...you're still expecting it later and later, and I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised and somewhat freaked out when it comes earlier than you anticipated. LOL
 

Diana Gilger
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Are you going to use the same vet who originally told you she was unbred? I am anxious to know what they say. Do you have an appointment yet?
 

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Thanks Diana! I am being a basket case. If I could feel movement I would fell better( NOT!!)

Yea, same vet, not many to chose from. Bob did have a vet but they are very far away and I dont have a trailer. Its hard to borrow one, but my neighbor has one we used for the pig and for a mini it would work. But my vet does do farm calls so thats an option.
Your right I still expect at least Jan or April. I still have it in my head that she isnt preg from before I got her. At this point I will stick her in my truck to get her to the vet! LOL.
I am so not good with not knowing. I dont care how far along she is, I just want to know!!! Drives me crazy!
I am gonna be bald!
 

Joyce
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Bonny, you don't know how much I wish we lived near each other. :-( I'd love to be able to help you out, at least with the trailering! I'm experienced with that!

I can't believe how much better Cookie looks! I took pictures of her today and I'm amazed! But she is STILL breeding as of last night. Whats up with that??? Back to the stallion tomorrow!

How are the pigs? Are we going to have little piggys yet???
 

Diana Gilger
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Here piggy, piggy, piggy....LOL
This little piggy went to market,
this little piggy stayed home,
This little piggy was a ham sandwich!
Yum, yum, yum.
 

Diana Gilger
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OK, I bring this up, b/c pigs are similar in nature (cannibals)...we were at the Hogs Breath Saloon in Key West early this year, and there are a million chickens on the island....so we're eating lunch, and there are chickens under our table.....here comes the funny part.....EATING CHICKEN STRIPS! That was pretty funny...lighten up bonny!
 

Diana Gilger
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And are you also a member at www.swine-reproduction.com??????? Just wondering!
 

Diana Gilger
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And here are a few more thoughts for you...
Wee foal test would not register a pregnancy until 120 days...therefore, when you tested her in January, it meant nothing. In Feb it was positive, therefore, it could be that she was near the 120 day mark in Feb when you tested her....making her somewhere near 273 now. VWA-LAH, I say.....making her about 40 days from foaling now! I may need to adjust my original guess, but It'll be pretty close. Most of my mares go around day 315-325. My only question would be why, if she were with a stallion from April on, would she not get bred until September/October? That part is a little strange.
 

Bonny
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Who knows, maybe the owner wasnt telling the truth, or she was exaggerating.

Look at these pics, do her hips and tail look weird or is it just me?

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08057.jpg

And just because
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08042.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08026.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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ok, to take on some of your artistic ability....
Have a look at this....the circle on the flank is what everyone is talking about....her flanks are beginning to look fuller, is it now hard there? Her belly is starting to dip lower than it was...you're good at the computer stuff, take this photo and superimpose it over one from a few days ago...you'll see what I mean. Has her udder changed at all? Can you see it from b/w her legs from behind. Take a shot of her vulva....Are her hips mushy yet? If you raise her tail, is there as much resistance?
 

Diana Gilger
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Guess I'll go ahead and attach a photo...LOL
[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/7-28-08026.jpg[/IMG]
 

Bonny
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Still tail resistance although she isnt fighting me. I didnt feel the flank but isnt that just a muscle tensing?


But to me it looks all flattened out and weird.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08057.jpg
 

Bonny
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Ok I thought it was tensing but I went back and its in all todays pics and both sides.
Now I am gonna go poke her.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08030.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08021.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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how did the poking go?
Get any behind udder/vulva shots?'
 

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OINK, OINK...After you get your foal here Bonny, we'll have to have a real talk about those little piglets you will be expecting. I'm just going to give you some sow/piglet advice that hopefully, will keep your legs attached to your body...hahahaha!

Bonny: She IS filling out in her flank area...you are within 24 to 96 hours. (That's my bet and I'm sticking to it! We'll see if Jonathan taught me right!) Forget about a September due date...I seriously doubt you will see August. I'm getting excited. AND, certainly as many of our friends here can attest to...my two maidens did not have large udders upon delivery. They didn't get alot of udder development until after 24 hours of birth so these little maidens can fool you. The seasoned mares are sooooo much easier to predict!

Diana: *SMILE* I can tell you that we pasture breed our mares to our stallion. I will be publicly drug through the streets and whiplashed and tomatoes thrown at me, but I believe that nature provides what is needed...most of the time. I'm not denying anyone else's chosen methods...they're great...its just not MY choice. Poor Warrior, he's one tired boy as he bred Lena several times a day this weekend. But, betcha she took...hahahaha! I find with my own mares, they won't let him mount them until they are ovulating (towards the end of their heat cycles). And he's so well-mannered with mares that he doesn't force himself on them until they willingly accept him. I have a set of breeding hobbles I used to use when I publicly breed stallions to outside mares; to protect the mare and my stallions; and we hand bred every other day. My success rate by pasture breeding is 100% in the first heat cycle exposure. Can't get any better than that!

Bonny: Just another added note...it IS the flank area that will tell you when you're close. (Shhh...Tim & Jonathan's secret clue)

FYI...I have 11 sows...OMG...I must be nuts! And if you all think mares are cranky in heat....whew-wee...you've never seen a hog in heat. Goodness sakes...it gives a whole new meaning to PMS! (Pig Mean Streak)
 

Bonny
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Well Bonny is squishy in the flank not hard. Her vulva doesnt look different and her bag is small and nothing behind. These are the udder pics from this am.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08002.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08011.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08056.jpg
 

Bonny
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Also cant wait to find out about if honey is preg, she should be in this week. If not yea for piggy babies!
 

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Bonny: Hehehehe...her udders look full to me! She's a maiden for goodness sakes...hehehe! You know how it is...they don't get "big and saggy" until they've had a few foals...kind of like me, an ole hag of a lady. "SMILE" She won't get "hard in the flank"...don't confuse that with "full in the flank"...and she is "full in the flank" from what I can see. If you go to poking on her flank too much to see if its hard, you're liable to find out the underside of her hoof is pretty hard too! LOL

Sorry, just trying to keep your sense of humor rolling along!

Gosh...I wish I had my maiden "udder pics" on here that I could show you. You would laugh and say, "Hey, my maiden looks like that!" And then, you'd feel better.
 

Diana Gilger
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Bobbi, I totally agree with you on the pasture breeding thing, don't think I don't! I was just saying that I have one mare who gets nasty contaminated (maybe she's built differently or something) and she does much better to hand breed and only breed her once maybe twice. I believe in things as nature intended, I just have read articles on here too by JOS that talk about mares having too much "junk" in them, and getting infections from it, therefore not getting prego. If I wasn't so paranoid about knowing my due dates and losing foals to maiden mares, I'd be a pasture breeder too. As a matter of fact, I do have a few mares that I turn out with the stallion at the right time of the month. They are my old timers, and there's never any question about their fertility, or whether or not they're bred...with them, you can just tell...and not worry about them with the stallion. Some of my younger mares are completely overtaken by my stallion, and would say "no" if they could, but kick his ass as they may, he mounts them day and night when they're not even in....so I am overly protective of them. (He is not a good boy somtimes)
 

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Bonny: OK...I've got it...go look at the picture that Diana posted up on the 28th with the circle around it...(I'm assuming that was an earlier photo prior to today's date). See where she has it circled? Look down and a little towards the rear area. The "muscle" you are talking about is a muscle, but I want you to look down and to the back a bit more-where the hair grows up in direction. Now, quickly, go to the picture that you just posted at 6:21 today and look at that same area...SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? Its "fuller" not that "sunken in look"...its this area that will get full, not hard, when you are getting really, really, really close!
 

Diana Gilger
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Bobbi....that IS what jonathan was talking about wasn't it? I always notice this flank thing not too long before foaling. I've never had a maiden who didn't bag up....usually WAY in advance...so I have no clue about the ones who don't. Her udder has been that way since July 2.....and on some days has been much fuller....and gone back down. I'm glad we have several different opinions on this ....cause If I'm wrong, at least someone else is right! LOL WATCH OUT FOR THOSE PIGS IN HEAT!!!!! I have never noticed one "hard" in that area either....I think it was Corina who mentioned it, after Bonny said her farrier said it would be hard there.....I was trying to verify whether or not it was in fact hard. One things for sure, while poking her is fun, bobbi may be right about the hoof thing....although I doubt it....have you seen some of the photos bonny's taken of this mare? How in the world do you get UNDER there to take photos shooting STRAIT UP?!?!
 

Bonny
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Ok Bobbi, right click and copy the pic then paste it here. I dont know what your talking about those are udder and vulva pics I posted at 621 and that pic dian posted was from today.

Is this the area you mean?yellow or green? I just dont see it.
yesterday
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-27-08004-1.jpg
Today:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08030-1.jpg
 

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Diana: Oh, I don't blame you one bit. My TB has the tendancy to get infections too (she's got that whole tilted uterus thing going on). She's such a bar hound that she will allow my stallion to continually mount and breed her for months of her pregnancy...hahaha!

And, just so you know that I'm not completely crazy...hehehe...we have to do the every other day breeding on Blossom and Echo as well this year. Unfortunately, we have to pen up their boys and then turn Warrior in with their mothers. We put the foals in the round pen for several hours and let the adults enjoy themselves. If I "barn up" the foals, the mares won't settle down enough to worry about breeding. This way they can smell and touch their babies. But, I can't just turn Warrior out with them like I do with the mare/filly combo...he sees these little stud colts as his competition and he would, I think, hurt them and unfortunately JJ "thinks" he's equal in studley like qualities to his daddy at four months so I'm thinkin' the outcome wouldn't be so good...LOL.

So, I totally agree with you on the every other day thing. I think that's plenty and I certainly practiced that at ALL times when I used to be "hot and heavy" into the breeding world. I think I've just gotten more lacksidaisacle in my older age...giggle...I guess that's why I don't really want to stand him to the public...too much work to deal with. Hahahaha!

The most important thing in any method, is safe and healthy practices that protect all involved. You are soooo right! Every mare and every stallion is different...that's why all of us buds like the "different strokes for different folks" thing. We can appreciate each other.

Old timer mares are great but you are so right, the younger mares don't always have the experience to know what in the heck is happening to them...almost makes you feel guilty doesn't it...hahaha! You are a great horse person and a responsible breeder...I'm betting that you are going to have great success! You just gotta keep us posted on how everyone turns out with the pregnancy diagnosis!!!

(PS...I've got a mare that has been 5 weeks now and not in active heat...she was exposed the my stallion in an adjoining field for the first 30 days after foaling...I'm thinkin' they did it through the fence...really...If I don't have any luck by next weekend, I'm going to have the vet out to do a palp on her...and I'm not going to be shocked when she says, "Oh, she's about 90 days along"...)
 

Bobbi Govro
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Diana: YES! You are close to being right!

Bonny: OK...The Yellow...take it up...you're looking too far down...take the yellow and move it up a bit and then send me another pic

(How are your guys marking these photos??? I'm completely computer illiterate!)
 

Diana Gilger
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Bonny, go back to the photo i did....it's the pink circle!!!! UP high!
Bobbi, right click on the picture and save it to your desktop, then open it in 'paint'....modify it, save it, and reupload it to photobucket.
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Its located about half way up from where you are. It almost looks like a buldge in that area. THAT is the area.

I'm going to try to attach some pics (but they're not the best ones of Lena "before" the buldge and "during" the buldge). Its not clear in the pictures but it might help a bit.

This was a picture taken a week prior to her foaling. I know its not the greatest, but see in her flank area how she is still "sunken" in...or normal looking?? No buldge apparent from bottom to top of the area where the hair grows backwards (boy, I'm a real technical speaker aren't I?? LOL!)
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/HORSES2008/?action=view&curr ent=HaleysCamera2090.jpg

This is a picture of her 48 hours prior to foaling. Its hard to see because she's a bay but see the flank area about in the middle of top to bottom of the hair growing backwards...there's a "buldgey" area there. Almost looks like a fluid balloon...THAT's the area you need to be looking at.
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/HORSES2008/?action=view&curr ent=HaleysCamera2095.jpg


(And sorry to confuse you...its not the udder/vulva pics you took but the one up from that in the thread...hahaha)

Diana: HAHAHAHA...I'm always amazed at the udder shots...good lands...I love my mares but I love my head too and to crawl under there and get a direct shot up is just a miracle woman in my book!
 

Bonny
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha I do it way easier! I edit it in photobucket!!!

You said from her picture:
See where she has it circled? Look down and a little towards the rear area. The "muscle" you are talking about is a muscle, but I want you to look down and to the back a bit more-where the hair grows up in direction.

So what do you mean?
green is muscle and red is full? Does the foal shifting make that muscle (green) stick out?
I am confused.
 

Bonny
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Bonny is easy she is used to me taking pictures of her, I get in al sorts of crazy positions, I always wait till she is munching on hay, she could care less what I do, as long as I dont touch her udder!

And sorry I dont see it in the bays picture. :-(
 

Bonny
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Here?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08030-3.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh...Diana...you've taught an old dog a new trick...here they come!
 

Diana Gilger
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[IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/HaleysCamera2095.jpg[/IMG]

Bobbi, is this where you're talking about?
HEY! I didn't know you could edit on photo bucket....I just know it no longer does the "show all" thing.....and that's irritating
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny:

Here ya go...the area inside the "blue" is the area that I am talking about. You will always have the normal "sunken flank" area at the bottom and perhaps the top area...but its the center area.

Here is the first picture where you're mare is not quite reached that "fullness" (or at least it doesn't appear so from the photo)

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/Bonnys%20Mare/?action=view&c urrent=BonnysMare2.jpg

Here's the photo (again in the blue box area) where there is definate "fullness"...(again, or at least it appears so from the photo). I put in a red arrow to show that this area will usually remain in a "normal sunken" state...its not like they balloon up in the whole flank area...just that center area.

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj67/BGOVRO_2008/Bonnys%20Mare/?action=view&c urrent=BonnysMare-Fullness.jpg
 

Bobbi Govro
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Sometimes its so subtle that unless you're looking for it really hard, you may not notice it. When you're looking at your mare everyday, you can not notice it. Jonathan told me the best way to see it is by taking photos everyday and then doing comparisons of the photos every few days...then it just kind of jumps out at you!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana: You are RIGHT ON! Yes! Definately the area I'm talking about. You can see it now when you compare photo of Lena to photo of Lena in a week's time...hahaha!

Bobbi HIGH FIVES Diana!
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Do you see it now in the second photo? In the first photo, that area is still sunken in in comparison to her belly area before that and the hind quarter area after that...but in the second photo...BOOM...there is fullness there.

My bet...you are REALLY close!!!!
 

Bonny
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Ok see the problem is both those photos are from today about 5 minutes apart, different sides of her body.
So is it possible to see fullness on one side and not the other?
 

Bobbi Govro
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny: Yes...they all get that picture. You can't see it well in Lena's first picture but you can see it as she's walking. Normal everyday muscle stuff...its almost like that muscle kind of "disappears"...if you compare your mare's two photos...the first photo shows the obvious muscle there but when you look at the second photo...that muscle doesn't pop out or protrude as much...I don't know any other way to explain it other than its a fullness buldge...Its like you can fun your hand sideways down their body from belly to rump area and it stays the same...you don't take that "little dip" in the flank area as your would with normal horse anatomy.

And its the opposite from what you are suggesting with the muscle appearance...it is the shifting of the foal getting ready to present that actually makes that "muscle" NOT be prominent anymore. Does that make sense?

Diana...can you help explain it any better now that you know exactly the area I'm talking about???
 

Bobbi Govro
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Bonny: Yes...it is. If she shifts her weight back and forth...she can show the fullness from side to side...The second photo is actually a much better photo to do your judgement on because she is actually standing pretty straight and square. When you go back out there...run your hand along this area...you don't have to press down because it won't really be "hard" (at least in terminology that we think is hard)...go to the other side and do the same thing while she's standing in the same position...I'd bet you will find it on both sides. Its just in this position and if they have fullness, that baby is going to sway and shift with her weight (human equivelant to "waddling"). They will also walk like they have a corncob stuck up their back end...barely lifting their hind hoofs off the ground...almost lethargic in their rear legs. Is this starting to sound like her actions at all?
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny has mentioned a few days ago that her back stride was off from her front.......there have been many little clues that have signaled this mare is getting close.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to explain what you're looking for an explanation for. I think you did as well as can be done. It's just something you notice...instead of sunken in, it's bulging out.
 

Bonny
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Sorry yall, I bailed on our conversation because I had shopping to do. I have re read all the info and yes, now I can see what yall mean. Thank you very much for your patience in explaining this to me. I can see this and it is different from that sinking I saw last week. Remember she looked almost like she lost her body weight.
She does tend to drag her back feet, seems like she has a corn cob in an unpleasant place( giggles) and she is always carrying her tail up. I assumed from her loose stools.
I am going out to snap off a few more night time pics as I just got home and got her feed late.
 

Bonny
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok tell me what you think. I couldnt get the other side she kept it from me for some crazy reason.

Also where did her belly go from behind? And I hate to ask but does this one side view pic look like maybe she has a V look????

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08063.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08067.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08076.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08080.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08081.jpg
 

Bonny
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok check this out!

The 22nd when I thought she looked sunk in:

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-22-08086-1.jpg
tonight!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08063.jpg

and from behind yesterday and tonight:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-27-08020-1.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x12/4793ShyAnne/7-28-08067.jpg
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bonny's got it goin on!!!! On the photo you're using for the today sunken in look, she's leaning on her left hind leg, making it hard to tell anything. Can you get anything out of her udder? or have you tried? I think I'd try if I were you. Did you get distilled water? Have you tried this yet?
 

Diana Gilger
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She definitely is dropping...I don't know about the 'v', but then again, I don't see it often in minis. It's a lot easier to see on full sized mares. Her flanks have filled out a bunch, and her sides are looking flatter. I'd keep an eye on her if I were you!



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