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Lactating mare is too fat!!

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Kay B. Jones,Nova born 2/24
Breeding Stock
Username: Kaybjones

Post Number: 273
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare with 3 1/2 month foal is really fat. I'm beginning to worry about her. She grazes 24/7 and the grass is fairly nice. I heard to really give them quite a lot of food while nursing but she is looking miserable with fat(almost like she was when she was ending her pregnancy). I have been steadily decreasing her Strategy to about 3 1/2 pounds a day. She does have access to minerals. Should I cut her some more? Should I start thinking about weaning baby. He is HEALTHY and eating strategy well too. I thought about gradually reducing mom about a 1/2 pound per day for the next several days. I don't want to slight her if she needs it, but can being too fat hurt her. This is her 9th baby( 2 died from this nine), she is 14 years old and not going to breed again.
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
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Username: Judy1

Post Number: 448
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2008 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi kay,do you have any pictures??i was just telling dice i thought she was to fat also.I have cut her back on hay and started riding her again(only in the arena because of chenoa)so it not for very long.i thought the foals would pull some of the weight off them??so fare not happening.i will send you some resent pictures of dice tell me what you think.
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
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Username: Tahra

Post Number: 143
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Kay, I would think that if Nova is eating his strategy you can cut your mares food a little more. The lady who has the stallion that Sky is out of says that she weans her babies at 4months. She also had read a few articles that show the nutritional value in the milk decreases drastically after 4monts. Swan isnít to fat but I will wean next month so that I can start getting her ready for the August shows.
 

charlene birdsall, Jetta born 3/20/08
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Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 968
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Kay and Judy. You guys are right to be concerned about your mares being overweight. It is not good for them for a number of reasons. Here is a good article about obesity in horses http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10038&kw=obesity+in+horses , http://www.thehorse.com/Search.aspx?tbKeyword=obesity+in+horses . I have to be very careful every spring. If I let the horses graze to much they can , and have foundered. There is a high incindence of horses foundering every year in Washingtion. I think it's probally because of all the rain we get. Makes the grass grow like crazy in the spring. Baby and Jetta only have a 100x100 area of short pasture that they can nibble on.
 

charlene birdsall, Jetta born 3/20/08
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Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 969
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I forgot to say that Baby gets 4lbs. a day of the LMF Development and a flake of alfalfa and a flake or so of grass hay, altogether a little over 10lbs of hay(I use a scale). If you cut her Strategy too much, then she won't be getting all the vitimans she needs. I think what you should be cutting out is the amout of time you let her graze. It is all that lush green grass that is making her fat, and lack of excerise. Can you put her in a area that doesn't have as much grass in it?
 

Kay B. Jones,Nova born 2/24
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Username: Kaybjones

Post Number: 275
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I sure can. That sounds good. I walked Topi, the mare today for quite a distance and away from Nova. Trying to kill 3 birds with one stone: Exercise Nova, exercise me, and make Nova handle being away from momma. Here are pictures of Topi(MOM) and Nova (almost 4 months) and his umbilical stump that the doctor said OK.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/kaybjones/DSC01207.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/kaybjones/DSC01208.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/kaybjones/DSC01209.jpg
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http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc38/kaybjones/DSC01214-1.jpg
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
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Username: Judy1

Post Number: 449
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI KAY,HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF DICE WHEN CHENOA WAS 6 1/2 WEEKS OLD.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/judycervantes/029.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/judycervantes/013-7.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/judycervantes/008-11.jpg
WHAT DO YOU THINK??I WILL TRY TO GET MORE RESENT ONES TODAY.
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
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Username: Judy1

Post Number: 450
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

KAY I DONT THINK ARE GIRLS ARE THAT BAD,THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY COULD USE SOME SIT UPS,LOL,AND MAY BE A LITTLE LESS FOOD,BUT NOT HUGE.I THINK IF YOU DID WHAT CHARLENE SAID AND LIMIT HER GRAZING THAT WOULD HELP HER.I HAVE TO CUT DICES FOOD BACK SINCE I DONT HAVE ANY PASTURE TO BLAME HER WIEGHT ON.
 

Kay B. Jones,Nova born 2/24
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Username: Kaybjones

Post Number: 280
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Judy, yes Dice does not look bad but if she's like Topi, the pictures don't show the wideness of her belly too good. I went to a purina workshop and they said you should not be able to see ribs but you should be able to palpate and FEEL ribs. All of my horses seem fat! i am going to limit grass area and cut a little Strategy. She does have minerals available. We'll keep in touch. I heard it should be a fairly slow process to get the weight down.
 

charlene birdsall, Jetta born 3/20/08
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Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 972
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Kay and Judy. Kay, Topi isn't real fat, but I think she is probally a little heavier than she should be. Have you weight taped her recently? I took some pics today of the girls and their pasture, so you can see the size of their grass area http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0312.jpg http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0310.jpg http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0316.jpg http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0313.jpg Here is one of poor Mimi, all by her lonesome http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0315.jpg http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0319.jpg , and this is what you call in your face(literally) http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0322.jpg Here is one of the back of Jetta's ears, I think it looks cool http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0325.jpg This one I took on the 11th, you can just barely see Baby ribs, but her hip bones are sticking out or nothing http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/0611081841b.jpg I sure don't want her to get any thinner, that for sure. This is one of her umbilical lump, it is just in front of all the fuzzy hair http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa97/mollytomale-photos/100_0309.jpg

Judy I also think Dice isn't that fat. Mabey you could just cut out her night time snack
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
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Username: Judy1

Post Number: 452
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks charlene,i just think that they are grazing animals not made to stand around,i dont want her to develope an ulcer from the acide in her gute,i read dr gettys post on nutrition and she says they should have free choice so iam some place enbetween that and limited food,i agree that they are grazers so i think i need to get more creative with her food maybe make her walk the pasture for her grass hay for exercise instead of just standing and eating..????i dont know,we have sand here and she picks off the sand and i cant stand to see that, ok i think iam just rambling now,i just need to figure something out that works for both of us.
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
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Username: Tahra

Post Number: 144
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Judy you are absolutely right about them needing food at all times. The horses digestive track is designed to have a small amount of food in it at all times. That is why following the rule "little and often" is so important. Try shaking the hay out in a large area. That way she has to move around to eat and their is only a small amount at a time. I find this works well in the winter when I feed.

Kay I don't think your mare looks fat at all. Is that the type of pasture she is on? It doesnít look all that thick and lush to me. My horses are only out on pasture. It is very rich and high in nutrition. It is 51/2 acres and they have to walk allot but I never have a problem with them. These are some photos from today. At the end you can see Sky in the cattails with is Auntie and then that is her trotting in the gate. Swan still has a big baby belly but I think I will just have to waight for weaning before I can really start working her to get it of., I like to use caveleties and Iím a little worried that Sky might hurt himself over them while following mom.
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj194/PregSwan/?action=view&current=d52591df. pbw
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Judy1

Post Number: 455
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tahra thank you,that is what iam gunna do,would the orchard grass be ok to do it with???
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
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Username: Tahra

Post Number: 146
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes Judy Orchard would be just fine. That is what I feed all my horses. When I have to feed alfalfa I don't spread it out. I want all the leaf in one area so they don't eat to much dirt. Less likely with grass as it has longer stems and they can pick it up easier with their lips.
 

judy cervantes/chenoa born 3/30/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Judy1

Post Number: 458
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tahra,thank you ,i put her hay in small piles around the pasture and she walked around looking for it so i think this is how i will feed her during the day but i will feed her alfalfa in the barn,i got chenoa to walk on his lead line around the pasture by going to each pile of grass he did really good. That was the first time we walk that fare with out his mom.
 

Tahra Sky 3/14
Breeding Stock
Username: Tahra

Post Number: 148
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That sounds great Judy. Nothing like using food as a insentive to fowlo your lead. Good Job!!



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