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Help! Im STILL not convinced either way!....pics included

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Barb D
Neonate
Username: Supermom006

Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 02:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We got this mare in Feb. and she continues to get a larger and larger belly. We had the vet out and upon physical examination she said yes...this mare is pregnant and due in about 4-6 weeks. Then she did a palpation to see if she could zero in on a specific time...but could not find any foal inside. So, she did an ultrasound and said she still could not find a baby, but that her uterus was the enlarged to the size of an over inflated basketball/beachball and did have fluid in it. She does have milk, actually colostrum that can be squeezed out. Vet said that she was sure of a pregnancy upon physical exam but after palp and U.S. doesnt think that she is pregnant,but that maybe she was and has mis carried, however....if she continues to grow and over the next 30 days with no belly reduction then we should call her back for another palp and U.S. Here are some pics...I am new at this so I really appreciate any advice/opinions. Thanks! Her are some pics:

This is her the day we got her in Feb:
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/Blizzard08027.jpg

This is early March:
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/Blizzard08010.jpg

End of March:http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/PREG2.jpg

Early April (after rolling in the mud!):
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/BABESNEWSADDLE028.jpg

Now:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/dacamerabaebraid011.jpg


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/supermom006/STAR/udder002.jpg



If she were not pregnant, why would her uterus be so large and still have the fluid? If she miscarried where would the fluid go? Wouldnt it leave at the time of miscarriage? There is no evidence of a mis carriage around the stalls/barnyard, also havent seen anything out of the ordinary in her field.

Thanks again!
 

Bonny
Yearling
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 63
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I feel badly for you. I am going through the same thing with my mare. @ tests neg and one test pos and I also still have a growing belly on my mare.
She looks PG to me.
Your mare also looks pg and maybe the foal was in a position where it was unable to be felt?
How experienced is your vet with Equine and US?
Mine was not at all with minis and mty mare is mini so he said not finding the foal was probable.
All I can suggest is to have the mare re examined by a different vet if possible for a second opinion.
Have you felt movement at all?
Best wishes and let me know about your mare!
 

Barb D
Nursing Foal
Username: Supermom006

Post Number: 11
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well...her business card says reproductive specialist. And she has a mare in foal herself right now so I would surely think she knows her stuff. I just cant imagine how in the world I can have this big expensive exam and be no more knowlegable than I was before she came! But I guess I will just keep watching and see what happens..thats all I can do at this point but I do have concerns about the size of her uterus and the fluid in there. I asked her if the fluid would disappear with a miscarriage and she just said well its still there now, maybe it will leave soon. If any one has any knowledge about this I sure would appreciate the feedabck. And wouldnt you know right before all this happened I had 50 bales of orchard grass w/fescue hay delivered??? We wont even go there! Just my luck! lol
 

Bonny
Yearling
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 65
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Quote(I can have this big expensive exam and be no more knowledgeable than I was before she came!)
Thats how I feel. I have spent hundreds on tests and I still dont know.
I sure hope you find the answers your looking for.
 

Dorthy Brown
Breeding Stock
Username: Dodib

Post Number: 272
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could be a false pregnancy--I had a mare that did that. Everyone including vet thought she was bred til ultrsound/palp--she was open. Also said maybe had been pregnant and it was aborted. She eventually did go down in the belly and udder but took many months--he said it was hormonal
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 157
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Barb, I would find another vet. There is no such thing as "maybe pregnant". She either is or isn't.
If the ultrasound/palpation is showing she isn't then I would be greatly concerened something else is going on with this mare that is causing her "symptoms".

BTW you aren't feeding her the orchard grass/fescue hay are you?

(Message edited by cateowen on April 14, 2008)
 

Barb D
Nursing Foal
Username: Supermom006

Post Number: 12
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No... Im not feeding the orchard/fescue. Its just sitting there while I continue to buy 10 bales at a time to keep on till we find out what is going on with her. It is just so frustrating! And its not like I bred her and am waiting and hoping....I bought her from a friend who was moving and could no longer care for her. They dont think she is pregnant...however...they now remember two times when she was accidentally exposed to a stud. The first would make her due in a month or so and then second would make her about 6-7 months along. If she is or isnt is fine with me but I just would like to know so we can be prepared and so I know how to proceed with her. I saw her uterus on ultra sound and it was dark and had some lighter lines in it kinda like a pinwheel. I tried to find pictures on line to compare it to but so far no luck. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I really appreciate it!
 

Bonny
Yearling
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 66
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 09:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How long since the vet was out? I would ask her to re examine, or see about another US. She sure is bigger than in Feb and I understand your wanting to know.
Being in the same boat as you I can understand.The examine is not cheap and I have 20 days to go until it is prime time for blood work.
Keep us updated.
 

corina gabel
Weanling
Username: Newyearsbaby05

Post Number: 46
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HEY NO FEAR!!!!!}

i took my mare to a local vet in november and he said her uteris is swollen and there is fluid but no foal. I had an ultrasound done so he couldnt skrew up!!! there is something wrong he sayes lets do this and that blah blah i said no we will bring her back in a few months. Took her to an equine only vet and did a reg preg check and he sayes WOW she is really pregnant!!.


MY advice is to find an other vet and try it again. if you can find a horse only vet it would be better but just a different vet all around. If you are going to pay for yours to do it again you might as well get a second opion in the process!!!!
 

Kristin L. Culhane
Nursing Foal
Username: Destinydelights

Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Corina,
how far along is your mare in the last picture, because my mare looks the same in the teats and peolple tell me she's not filling up yet...and since I'm new to all this is why I'm on here checking this all out because like you mine was pasture bred before I rescued her and nobody knows when the magic moment happened HA HA, my vet did a US and says mid June but the last known time amongst the herd stud was Nov 15th so I too have a guessing game going on! Any input would be greatly appreciated from all who have been thru this before. Kristin



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