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Joyce
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 84
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've owned my first mini for about 2 months now. I absolutely ADORE her! She is 7 years old and has had 2 foals, last one in 06. Her former owner told me, she was bred the whole last week of October and gave me the breeding date as Oct. 28th. She also said the mare is overweight and needs to loose 100 pounds. Yikes! Anyway Do you think I should have any worries that she got pregnant earlier in the year last year? This is my first foal and I just keep looking at her and wonder if this is all fat? The 2 pictures of her from the front are at 98 days and the side shot is at 121 days. Would you be worried that she may have gotten pregnant sooner? I did a weefoal test at 104 days and it came out positive. Thanks for any help and thoughts!

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3485-1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3477-1.jpg[/IMG]

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Kim Peavy/ Sweetie 7/3/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Lovemysinbad

Post Number: 132
Registered: 09-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce: I don't know if it's fat or baby...but oh....she is just so darn cute...no wonder you love her so....what a darling!
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1082
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a sweet little face! She looks pregnant to me, not fat. My opinion. What a cutie!!!
 

Catherine Owen
Weanling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, the WeeFoal people say their test is 97.1% accurate at 120 days or more. You did her at Day 104? Perhaps do it again? Vet opinion?

If I had to put money down in Vegas on this I would bet on preggers :-)

And this is one absolutely darling pony!
 

Joyce
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 85
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Kim and Marilyn! I went looking for a mini GELDING to keep my Paint mare company and fell in love with her the second I saw her! I know she is pregnant, but I'm wondering if she is further along than being due September 21st.
 

Joyce
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wefoal is 0% false positive. Oh, I know she's pregnant. I guess I have to put my question differently. Would a pregnant mini mare, LOOK this pregnant at 3 and 4 months along?
 

Diana Gilger
Yearling
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 100
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, the mini mares do tend to start showing a little sooner than the big girls...but she should look like she does in that 3rd photo somewhere after the beginning of month 9! she does have a little of a belly in the 98 days photos...but I dont see the mare having 100 lbs to lose! She can't weigh 250 as it is! How tall is she? Check out my site....http://www.mysticrockminis.com you'll see my mares as unbred....and they are fat for minis Here is a photo of my Mare who is 28" and due any day.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01224.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/Dhttp://i267.photobucket.com/a lbums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01222.jpgSC01223.jpg

Keep in mind, these photos were taken 3 weeks ago, and that her belly had been shaved for sonogram, so she looks like she has a "v" belly, but doesn't .
Your mare looks more pregnant than she does fat. If you'd like to know more about how far along she is, the vet can sonogram. The problem with this is that most horse vets don't know much about minis (as far as the differenced b/w them and big horses, and many are not equipped for minis) She looks alot farther along than she is. Is it possible to ask the old owner for some bred/unbred pics? And about the possibility that she got with a stallion sooner? The minis are pretty hard to judge...I have one broodmare who always looks pregnant, even when she's not (from the side)...but from the front or back she appears normally wide. I have one that has never been a broodmare, and looks pregnant with her big fat belly. I'd look at photos of YOUR mare to try to determine how far along she is....if the old owner has any. If not, either have her sonogrammed, (by an experienced mini vet) or just wait and watch her udder...
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 101
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looking at the photos again, I'd say there is no way that mare is only 4 months. Look at your mare standing square from behind....get down at eye level with her. Do you notice one side of her belly noticeably larger than the other? Can you take pictures from the rear and post them?
I'd love to see more photos, what a cute girl!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 102
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a matter of fact, here is one of my other mares...she is 13, but has only had 3 foals. This pic was taken feb 9th, and she is due on April 1st. Feb was the first month I could visibly tell she was pregnant, as she is overweight most of the time.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01219.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01229.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01220.jpg
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 87
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 06:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Diane! I will take some pictures of her from the back this morning and post them for you. And thank you for your kind words, she is a DOLL! She is 32.25 inches tall. I looked at your website and saw your horses, OMG they are beautiful!! Looks like I may have to shovel out my "burried in snow" horse trailer and get a sonogram. This is my first foal, I don't want to be caught off guard! I'll be back in a bit with more pictures!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 88
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are a few quick pictures I snapped just now. It is FREEZING here!

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3559.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3558.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3557.jpg[/IMG]
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 104
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, it's only in the 3rd pic that she really looks lopsided....but then again she has her head turned left, and appears to be relaxing with her left hind foot up. The other pics don't really show as much of the "lopsided" look that they get. When baby begins to fill her out, you'll see it in her flanks as they begin to fill out...and looking from behind her, she'll be markedly bigger on one side than the other. This won't happen until her last 2 or so months. Typical mini horse gestation is anywhere from 315-345 days, and most of mine foal around 10 months 3 weeks instead of the full 11+ months of the bigger horses. I would just keep my eye on her. Even when you do see her udder fill, it's typically 3-5 weeks before baby comes. Although keep in mind, that some minis don't bag up at all before foaling. (ask the previous owner for as much information as possible on whether or not she bags, how did she act at the onset of foaling last time? Did she refuse feed? Stop laying down? They tend to follow the same patterns as previous foalings, if the old owner kept up with any of it.) So that'll help when her time gets near.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Diana, I really appreciate your knowledge. I sit and watch her at night while she's eating. I haven't seen any foal movement, or at least I don't think, but a few times she has swished her tail and kicked a back foot up to her belly. I wonder if maybe she was feeling the baby move? I'm going to bring her in and get a sonogram for sure. There is so much I need to learn before this baby is due! Your information is very helpful! I will be watching for when your babies are born!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 105
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, it's nice to meet other people who are in the minis. There is a great book called Blessed are the Broodmares, that's great reading, and very helpful to the expectant owners. There are also many things that are different about minis from large horses. there are also many books available on that. I am hoping to have my first foal of the season very soon, as my mare refused to eat tonight, and has become quite bitchy to everyone in the pasture (even the dog who used to eat with her)LOL! The mare's "due date" was 2/25, but you'll find that due date in mares means NOTHING! LOL You're so lucky to have a mare who's been there done that for your first foaling. That'll make it a little easier on you. Let me know what the vet says if you take her in, I'm interested to know. Did you contact the previous owner about the possibility of her getting with a stallion sooner? I've seen them breed thru the fence.....I wonder if she shared a fence with one.? Another thing I thought about was, unless she was bred AI, I believe her natural breeding season would have been over by October...?
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 609
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, Cookie is so stinking cute. I love her sweet face, and I think she also looks more pregnant than fat. What are her udders looking like?
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, I've got Blessed are the broodmares and the foals, I'm going to have to get into them. I was thinking I had until September, but I'm telling you, she is getting bigger by the day! I'm going to take more pictures of her from the front tomorrow. I e-mailed the former owner, and she repeated, she bred the mare the last week of October. Uggg! She has a bunch of Minis and I've always read about stallions breeding through fences, I don't know were she keeps her stallion(s), I don't think I trust anybodys breeding dates! :-) To be honest, I don't think people want to admit their stallion may have gotten some of the mares accidently. Shesh I don't know, but I do know she is getting big, quick. Oh, and I was told the mare was just wormed when I bought her, so I have my wormer and was going to do her next week as I've had her 7 weeks now. This morning when I went out to feed, she has rubbed the top of her tail and destroyed it overnight. Should I assume it's from worms? I'm assuming it's safe to worm her?

How is your mare today? It normally doesn't take me this long to get back here, but all I do anymore is SHOVEL this STINKING SNOW! I'm so sore. It's horrible!

Charlene, thanks! She is a doll! If you could only get to know her personallity! I don't know if her udders are normal or not as this is my first pregnant horse. I do know she has large pouches in front of her udders.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 91
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just look at this face! But don't let it fool you, she's got the devil in her eye!! LOL!!!!!

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3525.jpg[/IMG]
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 110
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, she is absolutely adoreable! If the lady has gotten her breed date wrong, I don't know that I'd trust she'd wormed her. It's very safe if you use a wormer that is safe for pregnant mares such as Safeguard. There are others but I can't remember their names. Here's some news for you...if your mare's tail hair is all screwed up it's probably because she's late in pregnancy!!! I'll run down and take a pic of mine's and you tell me if it's the same....I bet it is. Late in pregnancy, they start "sitting" on things...stall walls, feeders, fences...this is different than the back and fourth scratching that they do when itchy or shedding. It's just sitting. I believe it relieves pressure they may have on their backside. Take about an hour or so, out of her sight and just watch her, particularly early morning and about an hour after eating...if she's rubbing her but back and fourth on the fence or stall wall, she's probably just itchy, is she shedding yet? If she's just sitting there with her rump up against the wall (kinda leaning) It's probably pregnancy! And if she's doing this and kicking her belly, she's probably a whole lot further along that you think.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 92
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

She is shedding like crazy! I've been shedding her out everyday as she has enough coat for 10 horses. I've GOT to get barn cams. I'm quite sure we are going out tomorrow for them. They are a necessity that can't wait. I better not wait on the other stuff either. I need to find out what I need for a foaling kit. What about shots? Yikes! Foal blanket, etc. Better to have the stuff on hand sooner than later. I'll see what her tail looks like in the morning and post a picture! Have a great night!

Joyce
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 111
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, here's what my mare does sitting. She's at 328 days.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01236.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01235.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSC01234.jpg

You can go to www.darkmoonfarm.com and get Michelle to make you a foal blanket for like $13, I have a couple and they're great. They are polar fleece. Also Double Diamond Tack has all mini stuff. Someone posted on here what a good foaling kit should have in it....also you can google Scott Creek Miniatures, which is where I put mine together.
Oh yeah, and one thing you absolutely have to do when you finally have your baby...rock it! Grab it up, turn it over like a real baby, and rock it...start counting while you're rocking.....bet ya don't make it to 15 before the baby is dead asleep! It's too cute and a great way to bond!
The baby in this photo had gotten too large to rock, but still loved it..it had gone limp, and began to slip from my husband's grip.LOL
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/kdgilger/DSCF0087.jpg
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 93
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that, you bet I'll rock my baby! I've never even seen a mini baby. Can't even imagine how small they are. Ok, here are some more pics from this morning. You can see she ruined her tail. :-( Now I have a question about the bottom picture that I took of the side of her belly. Do you see the "indent"? Her belly comes down and then it goes out. Is this fat? Or does the baby make this??

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3568.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3567.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3570.jpg[/IMG]

IMG]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j221/joycesgrooming/DSCN3575.jpg[/IMG]
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 112
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Joyce, it's hard to tell from the photo if it's fat or baby, but pregnant mares take on odd shapes alot of the time! I wouldn't be surprised to see that indent move or be gone another day. That baby will shift around in there alot until the final week or so...and you'll notice she's HUGE on the left and flat on the right, and vice versa. When you don't see that anymore, and your mare suddenly looks "unpregnant" from the back, it will look like her belly from the side hangs even lower than ever. That's when you'll know baby is in position to be born. You will probably have already noticed by this time that her udder is quite full...that's hard to miss. www.crayonboxminiatures.com has a great page on signs of foaling. It's sometimes a little harder to see this when they're fat, but if you look at her everyday from the same angle, it should be apparant what's going on inside. If your mare foaled her last 2 babies on her own, without help, and got baby out of the bag ok, I would just relax and enjoy the ride for a while. The day you start watching and waiting the days drag on forever!! LOL And I'm warning you....once you have a mini baby, you'll want more...it's a sickness that can only be cured by another mini baby or prego mare! LOL (that's funny because you think I'm kidding.....)
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 94
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Diana, I've been to the crayonbox site and it's great! I will keep looking at Cookie from the back. What do you make of what she did to her tail? Do you think it's from the pressure of the baby?

Thank you so much!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 114
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like I said in a previous post...if she' s scratching back and fourth, it's nothing strange. But if she's just sitting on the wall or fence, it's from pressure more than likely. Also, with you still being under snow, there is no reason your mare should be itching because of shedding....but pregnant mares, even in cold climates where they need their coats another two months, tend to shed lots before foaling. If she's scratching her rump, just to be scratching it, just understand that miniature horses are by far the itchiest beings on god's green earth! Anywhere they can find to scratch, regardless of time of year....they will scratch!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 95
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hard to tell what she does in her stall. I've got to get a cam set up and soon! Thats funny that they love to scratch! I'll keep an eye on her udder. Is is normal to have big pouches in front of it now?

Has your mare had her foal yet? I forgot to tell you I LOVE the picture of your husband with the baby!!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 115
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All of my mares have the pouch in front of the udder, bred and unbred....I think it's a fat thing! My mare hasn't foaled yet, we're at 329 days today and holding out. Depending on your setup, you could get one of those baby monitors with a tv screen. They only have a range of about 300 ft, but work well. I bought one from HOng Kong, it pans, tilts, and zooms....you don't miss a thing, and the horse can't wander in and out of your view. Yeah, the pic with the rocking baby is cute, but they're even cuter when they're SMALL! LOL
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 96
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, it's good to know about the pouch. I'm going to monitor her udder every night and morning now. Her udder was tiny tonight. I'll see what it feels like in the morning. I'm also going to check out Radio Shack for their cameras as many have talked about them highly on lilbeginnings. My barn is right outside my bedroom window and I can hear my big mare pawing in the morning for her breakfast! :-) And thats with all the windows closed! Cookies stall is 12x12. Is that ok for a foaling stall?

Thanks Diana!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 116
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a great size stall. Mine are 10x10 and they work fine. I know people with smaller. Make sure when you buy a camera, that the frequency doesn't interfere with your phone. Alot of the wireless cams are 900mhz....and won't work with a 900mhz phone in the house. I went out and bought new 2.4ghz phones, then ended up buying the pan tilt zoom camera from HongKong, and it was 2.4mhz! Sheesh! Bought new phones again.....Good thing radio shack has an excellent buy back policy! You'll not find a camera that can cover a 12x12 area with night vision, unless you hang it very high...then you won't be able to see much. I've been thru a lot of them, and found the one I have is far superior to most others, and it was cheaper than any I could find in the states. I'll send you a link, and you can check it out if you want to consider it. But I'll have to look it up.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 97
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would love the link, thank you!! Never would have thought of how much area the camera would cover. Sheesh! Do you watch Marestare? I've been addicted for 4 years! Yes, some cameras are lousy.

Again, thank you so much!!!!!!

Joyce
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 117
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, Here is the link to the camera I bought.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Real-Color-LCD-Baby-Monitor-security-camera-601KLD_W0QQite mZ170198081003QQihZ007QQcategoryZ20435QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m1 53.l1262

I bought from this seller, and I was very pleased with customer service. The cost translates to about $130....plus $30 for shipping from Hong Kong. You get in in about 7 days without paying extra for expedited shipping. It comes with all cables and cords to hook it up to your tv, and watch your mare foal on the big screen if you want to! It also tilts and pans further than any other on the market, making placement of it easier. It has great reception, and is plug in or battery operated....you can carry it around and stare at your horse if you want. (I promise I'm not gettin commission.... I've just been thru alot of cameras, and can't see how I lived without it before.) As far as marestare....yes! I love it, I saw a Clydesdale foaling the other day...WOW!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 98
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you know if you can hook this up to a computer monitor? Hubby is worried about getting a wireless one. How far appart do you have the camera and the monitor? Do you know how it is in storms or rain?

Once again, thank you Diana!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 118
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I dont' think you can hook this one up to a computer, but they make one that you can. You can't use this one with 2.4 ghz phone around. My barn and house are 200ft, and it works great. Even from inside my metal barn. It does great in the storms and rain, and after last night, I would know!!!!!! It doesn't work if electric goes out, but last night was a horrible storm, and the dish network and internet were out....but the electric still worked! My mare was freaking out, and I thought she would go into labor, but I am still babyless!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 99
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These mares drive everybody crazy!!! I'm going to see about shoveling out my horse trailer. I may have to wait for my husband to help over the weekend. I've called about ultrasounding my girl and they only need a day or two notice. They told me on the phone they'd be able to tell how far along she is. I can't wait!

Wish your mare would have her baby Diana! Is there a particular color you're expecting??
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 119
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce....I have no idea what to expect...the little mare I have sent you pics of (misty) was bred to a black and white pinto....so i'd assume black and white, or some combo thereof....last year she had the most beautiful silver and white filly with black mane and tail....very unusual....maybe another of those??? I WISH!!! I also have a leopard mare bred to a leopard stallion, so i'm hoping for a leopard there...and I have a appy mare bred to an appy stallion.....i'm just hoping for some kind of color at all...the last 2 years she's had solid babies....i'm thinking she can't do it 3 times!? (hopefully) and my other mare who acts bred but doesn't look it, is homozygous pinto bred to a homozygous appy....hoping that she's bred, abd gives up a pintaloosa baby!!!!! What kind of stallion is cookie bred too? I hope her baby has her head....it's gorgeous!!!! Is she as sweet as she is cute.?? I am so glad your vet can help you out in finding out how far along she is. It sure sounds like she's further along than 4 months to me, but of course you can't know without checking into it. Bred mares can be wacky,,,,and they all act differently. Judging by what you've told me about her, and how MY mares act, I'd guess she's further along. Let me know. If I don't get right back to ya on this post, I'll apologize in advance, our internet went out in the storm last night, and I am using my husband's laptop to write on here....so i'll be touch and go till they get our tower up and running again.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Yearling
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 100
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What ever you get for babies, they'll be beautiful! Pintaloosa!! Joy Joy!!!!! Cookie was bred to a 40inch shetland. Blk and white pinto. When I breed her back, it will be to a mini. Is she as sweet?? She hates me to leave the paddock, she chases me to the door or gate depending on which way I'm leaving. Those little legs of hers go so fast! But she is a total ALPHA with other horses. You should see her run up to the fence dividing she and my big horse. She will run up to her with her teeth bared, squeel, turn around and kick her feet out. What a little stinker!! LOL!! She just adores people and will follow anybody anywhere. Hubby and I are going to dig out the horse trailer from the 5 feet of snow that it's burried in this weekend and bring her in for an ultrasound next week. I'm dying to hear what they say.

I hope with your next post you have a baby to tell us about!!!! Talk to you soon!!!!!!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 133
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, no baby yet for me....but Misty's been standing in the same spot in her stall for 36 hrs now...hasn't moved but to go pee or poop, and goes right back to the corner (sitting on her fedder). She did this last year for 24 hrs before foaling, so maybe it means something's going on.

Any news on your girl? Have you had her sonogrammed?
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 102
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh these crazy mares! LOL!!

I'm going to call on Monday for the appt, as they said they only need a day or two notice. The horse trailer is burried in 5 feet of snow and I want to get it out before I make the appt. I need the weekend so hubby can help me. I'll let you know Monday when it is! Last night I was stitting watching her eat her hay, and she JUMPED two times in a row like she got shot with something in the butt! Could that have been the baby that made her do that?
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 135
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HAHA! MINE DO THAT TOO! It's hilarious....one of my girls actually jumped and ran into the wall the other night...my husband and I laughed so hard! Imagine this, foals are born at about 19"...and when you consider my mares are 28-30"...that'a ALOT of baby. It's bound to be uncomfortable, if not downright spooky when the foal kicks, or turns. I remember when I was pregnant and due...and sometimes I was shocked by big movement too! Did you get your barn cams up?
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 103
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No cams up until this weekend when Hubby and I can work on it together. I'll be able to be in the house talking to him while he's positioning it or them, as I watch them on the computer. A friend of my hubbys gave us a couple of cameras that we are going to use until we decide on which ones we want. It's going to pour rain (flooding) here all day tomorrow, so It will have to wait until Sunday.

I wish your mare would spit that baby out!!!!!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 137
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, Heartbreaking news....Last night at 9:30 my mare went into labor....after several minutes of contractions and no progression, I knew it was a wreck. Rushed her to the vet, and had a breech birth. Tail and hocks coming first. Rump blocking the exit. They hitched her up by the ankles and reached in to reposition baby, and delivered it dead. They said it was no fault of the mare....but that the baby had rolled and rolled inside her so much that she had twisted her own umbilical cord pretty severely. I always try to take the opportunity to learn from others where ever possible...and I pray that this never happens to any of you guys. Ladies, please, watch your mares closely! It is so important. The vet said that the larger mares do not do well with this situation, and that in a QH or TB, I'd have probably lost the mare...fortunately, she has survived the night, and can come home in a few days. Obsessing over staring at that mare even though nothing is happening might seem silly, but when it enables you to catch a situation like this during phase one of labor it can save your mares life, and ALOT of heartache. Remember, if your expecting mare goes into labor, begins contracting....the white bubble should be visible within a few minutes...if no bubble, no feet after 5 minutes, get em to the vet. Don't wait around to see if it's ok. Minutes count if your mare is having trouble. I know you have all heard and read these same things a million times...but it is hard to DO when it's time. Don't worry about looking like an idiot or overly worried mother...take care of your girls! The worst that can happen is the vet will show up just in time for phase 2, and possibly just in time to save your mare and foal.

I still have 3 more mares to foal this month...or april, depending on if my dates are correct. I am going to post this on Feb March Foal watch as well, becasue I don't know how many others read this post.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 104
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Diana, I'm so terribly sorry! I'll tell you, I have been an avid watcher of marestare for years and I have seen nearly just as much bad as good. Thank you for your information and I will add it to my notes that will be in my foaling kit. Please keep me posted on how your mare is doing. You were so smart to get her right to the Vet and this being my first foaling, I totally won't take any chances for a second. Thank you Diana, and please except my sincere condolences.
 

Jane Olney
Breeding Stock
Username: Shotsnurse1

Post Number: 565
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same here Diana. I have missed both births that have been on my farm, and I couldn't agree with you more. I feel that I let the girl's down. Good job, and I am very sorry for your loss.
 

Colleen Beck
Breeding Stock
Username: Gypsycreations

Post Number: 432
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, so sorry for your loss. How is your mare feeling now? I am very glad you were able to save her. Give her an extra carrot from all of us on the board.
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 144
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for all your thoughts. The mare seems to be doing ok today. She is still at the vet's and will be until tomorrow. They have her on systemic antibiotics, and said they 've seen no sign of infection as of yet. She'll remain on the antibiotics and a mild sedative for the next 5 days. Hopefully everything will turn out ok.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1201
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, Deepest sympathy for you. I know how much you had anticipated and hoped for this foal. Heartbreaking. Thank God you were there and acted quickly and saved your mare. She is lucky to have you as her human. I am sure your mare is grieving as you are. I lost a foal at birth 4/2006 and it is still painful. Warm hugs to you. Prayers for the rest of your mares so that you safe healthy foals.
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 649
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Diana, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. Was this mare Misty, that you are talking about? She is so lucky to have you as her Mom. I have been so worried that something will go wrong with my mare. Probally cause this is my first time and hers too. In my foaling kit I have notes for the stages of labor, how long it should take etc. I think it is important that I and everyone else should feel for baby movement everyday. If there isn't any then we could call the vet and posiblly save the foal if there was a problem. What do you think? Sending good foaling vibes for Candy, Freckles, and Onyx. Hugs xxxxxx
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 145
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Charlene, yes, it was Misty. Keep in mind there is a possibility you won't feel foal movement every day..as it gets closer, and the baby moves into position, things get relatively "locked down" in there.....just like people, less movement in the last few days. Dont' worry about that. IF your foal dies inside your mare, YOU"LL KNOW IT. (its very violent labor) Just remember....after you see the pawing, and pacing, and all of the other precursors that are obvious...remember this...there should be nothing violent about foaling. The mare should lay down and do her thing...within 5 minutes of obvious contractions and pushing you should see the white bubble with feet pointing down and nose between them. She may get up and go down several times during delivery, and repositioning...After that, there should be continuing ongoing progression of the foal outward. IF this is not happening, CALL. If your mare is rolling excessively, or slamming herself against the wall....CALL. If it appears that nothing is happening inspite of her pushing...CALL. Have your phone in your hand when you go to check on your mare. Many times the mare may have feet hanging out even before stage 2 of labor starts (water breaking)...that's normal! Make sure the feet are facing DOWN, and you've got a nose behind them....if that's in order, leave her alone and let her finish, she's doing well.
Charlene, you're a maiden and so is your mare....but fortunately, you've got kids...and motherly instinct. If it SEEMS wrong, CALL...don't wait, there's not time. MINUTES count. If your vet is far away like mine, you're very unlikely to save a foal, but recognizing emergencies early can save your mare. }
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 146
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, and thanks for the hugs and good vibes....I needed them!
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 654
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Diana for all the great info. We have 3 decent vets in my area, and they are only about 15 minutes away.
 

Linda Bauer --Rita due 4/29
Weanling
Username: Llazyt

Post Number: 45
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana very sorry to hear about your loss. My mare Rebel lost her foal @ 297 days. the umbilical was twisted like a rope. Vet said nothing I could of done to prevent something like that from happening. Very heartbreaking, it's nice to know so many on this site are here for the support.
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 105
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, how is Misty doing today? I hope she is recovering well. Cookies appt for the ultrasound is Friday at 1:00!
 

Catherine Owen
Yearling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 64
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Diana,
Just read about your loss. So VERY, very, very, very sorry.

I hope Misty makes a full recovery and she will have other babies. Thank goodness the mare is okay. A breech birth is horribly traumatic no matter what type of breed, but it is really scary in larger breeds, I have Quarter Horses and the thought of it terrifys me.

So sorry and here is a GREAT BIG HUG. Give Miss Misty a kiss on the nose for me.

I am horrible when it comes to foaling, I just go into shock.

I mean, my mares look at me and ASK ME, "Are you okay? Are you sure you are okay? 'Cause like my water broke and I need to push --- Oh Lord, someone get this woman out of here so I can have my foal in peace!" Literally I know this is what they are thinking.

That is why, when I can, I like to send my mares to be foaled out at a breeding facility where they have 24 hour staff and a vet on staff. There are still things that happen but I am afraid I am just no good in a crisis....thus I send my mares off.

(Message edited by cateowen on March 10, 2008)
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 148
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Misty seems to be doing fine. She's out grazing with the rest of them. She's eating well, and her temps are normal...whew! She very well may go on to have other babies....but not at my house. I have done that 2 years in a row with her, and have offered her for sale on my web site. She is wonderful with children and will make someone an excellent pet. I couldn't possibly breed her again in good conscience, just wondering how terrible it must be for her. (as bad as it is for me....it's got to be bad for her)
Thanks for everyone's support.
I can't wait to see what Cookie's sonogram says!!!! Keep me posted!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 110
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

UPDATE****

This is funny actually! Just got back from the Equine hospital and he ended up doing an internal ultrasound. He COULDN'T FIND A BABY! I told him I had done a weefoal test and it came up positive. He said, she either was pregnant and lost the foal, or it's so small, he cant find it! Either way, she is terribly overweight. As soon as the ice is gone here, she and I will be out POWERWALKING!!! I'm going to do another weefoal test and if it's positive, I'll assume she's due in September. I just want my girl healthy and not foundering or anything. She comes first!! At least I know I don't have to worry about a foal comming any minute!! Anyway, they all loved her there and thougth she was the cutest little thing!! LOL!!!!
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 178
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, they couldn't find a foal in one of mine too....because it was so tiny...but the mare was in her 9th (almost 10th month) They can do an estrogen assay to be positive. Wee foal will not pick up after day 300, so I'm not sure I'd write it off just yet. Did he palpate her? I wouldn't give up on baby until you know for sure. But one thing's for certain, powerwalking will not hurt a mare...bred or not! LOL!!!! Let us know if you do another wee foal...and what it says. Honestly, I have no idea why she'd be acting the way she is if she's not bred...
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 111
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana, They didn't find a foal with the mare in her 9th month? He seemed to palpate her before he inserted the ultrasound probe? He cleaned her out, and I think he did some feeling around? I'm going to send for another weefoal. Should have it next week. I'll keep you informed. And as always, thanks for the information!!

I'll still be here reading, waiting to hear on your's and everyone elses foals!!!!
 

Joyce-Cookie, mini due 9-21-08
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 112
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An update on Cookie. I have just done another Weefoal test and Cookie is NOT pregnant. She must have been, as we had a positive Weefoal test the first time. So now I will look to breed her for next year. I will sure continue to read here, and hope for wonderful babies for all of you and I look forward to seeing their pictures!!

Thanks for all the advice, I will surely use it next year!
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1289
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joyce, Sorry for the disappointment you have suffered. But at least you can begin to look forward to next year and picking out a stud :-) Please keep posting :-)
 

Bonny
Nursing Foal
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hate to say this but I had a false positive with my mare also using wee foal. It happens more than you think. I know of one other possibly 2 that have had false positives. My mare tested neg then pos then blood neg. She was never pregnant. We didnt miscarry.
My mare also looked pg when fuzzy. And sort of when shaved. I swore she was pregnant.
Good luck with your mare
 

Joyce
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 113
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As the Vet said that did the ultrasound, she probably was pregnant and lost it. I did the first test earlier than it says to anyway. She still LOOKS ready to pop! Still rubbing her tail and is now taking afternoon naps in her hay outside!
 

Bonny
Nursing Foal
Username: Bonny

Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hehe,Joyce when I responded I didnt realize it was you!
Silly me... I thought good grief another one!

BTW I will send you a pic of bonny shaved today..She looks huge wide with no fuzzys...
 

Joyce
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv2ridesaddleseat

Post Number: 114
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jan, sorry I didn't respond to your post, DUHH! Yes, I am happy that I can find the stallion of my choice and have the foal in the spring, hopefully!!

Hi Bonny!!!!!



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