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Stud-ish Behavior in a Mare

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Catherine Owen
Neonate
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 10-year-old bay AQHA mare that is acting (for lack of a better description) "like a stud" toward another mare. I purchased both these mares last November from a lady in another state and very little info came from her about either mare. They shipped up from Florida together and I have had them boarded at a friend's for about 10 weeks while I got my own farm ready to receive them (i.e., fencing and barns done).

I moved these mares over this past weekend to my new farm and because this bay mare absolutely beat up on the other poor mare incessantly I prepared two pastures (side-by-side) so that the other poor mare could have her peace (i.e., we seperated these two mare as of this weekend). They can still see each other (5 strand electric tape fence) and have contact ---- if they wanted to.

The other poor mare is like in heaven! No one beats up on her now --- she has her own everything. She thinks she got a reprieve from the governor!

The bay mare is absolutely losing her mind. She bellows across the fence at the other mare, Just like a stud would holler! When the other mare gets too close to the fence seperating them, the bay mare lunges at the fence, teeth bared and you can't even see her ears they are so flat back against her head. She has already figured how just how much of her neck she can get over the top tape of the electric fence! She looks like a striking cobra!

The bay mare will not eat, will not drink and will not graze. She paces the fence seperating them incessantly bellowing (this is not a typical horse whinny) and "snaking" her head with her teeth bared across the fence as far as she can get it.

The reason I am thinking this may be hormonal is that this mare has a "bag" of sorts. One quarter of her udder is swollen and you can milk clear fluid out of it. The size and degree of swelling tends to fluctuate and sometimes it is almost normal. This mare had a foal in the spring of 2006 and did not settle then in either 2006 or 2007. She is NOT preggers, vet has checked this.

When I first got this mare, I noticed the bag and had my My vet check her for mastitis (as well as pregnancy). Not preggers and he says no mastitis. The fluid is clear, there is no heat and her mastitis test thing was negative.

Also someone had the thought of Cushings Disease but she is negative for that as well.

I live in South Carolina and we are already have the signs of early spring. We have noticed my other mare (the sweet "victim") has already cycled twice this year.

This bay mare has never exhibited any signs of heat whatsoever.

I intend to get my vet to check her in the next week of so --- we just noticed these "neato" studdish behavior problems this weekend.

What do you guys think? Hormonal?
Does that Chaste Berry stuff help?

Thanks!

(Message edited by cateowen on February 20, 2008)
 

corina gabel
Weanling
Username: Newyearsbaby05

Post Number: 32
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you can have her checked for wolf teeth, in fact i think you can do it your self. i good friend of mine came a cross a mare who was like this and the vet went to float her teeth and told him she had wolf teeth, what a male horse would have. dont really know to much about it though. The vet claimed this was the root of the bad behaviour.
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 829
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think wolf teeth would cause this IMO. I would have her ultrasounded and check her ovaries for any cysts/tumors. I have heard of ovarian problems causing aggressive behaviour in mares and would support your hormone theory. Keep us posted on what you find out!
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1071
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine~I agree with Tracy sounds like perhaps a female reproductive hormone problem. I would have the mare ultrasounded to see what is going on in the inside. There is a mare at our barn that is super aggressive and she is hormonal off.
 

Kris Moos
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kris

Post Number: 1149
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I too agree with checking her ovaries... I had an arabian mare that got more and more protective and aggressive towards non herd horses and would also "scream" and whip her head acting like a stud, she would also do the deep nicker like a stud...
I had her palpated and ultrasounded at 12 years old to find out she had granulosa cell tumors on both ovaries....thus causing the studdy behavior
so I would go that route as well
(BTW she also had wolf teeth but had them pulled at 2 yrs old)
good luck... I know how frustrating it is!!! I couldnt take her anywhere and had to be real careful where and with who I rode with around home.
 

Catherine Owen
Neonate
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you to all of you for your replies. I really appreciate your help and all of you taking time to think about my situation.

I adore this little gal and she is a pretty mare. The sort of odd thing with this mare is that with people --- she is an angel. I mean you can do anything with her and she rides really nice, she even has some AQHA Western Pleasure points and is by Don't Skip Zip who is on the leading AQHA Performance Sires list. Her dam is by Doc's Malbec who was a National Champion Reined Cowhorse out in California in his day.

She is a sweetheart to work with and be around ----SHE JUST ABSOLUTELY HATES OTHER HORSES and has this udder problem too which is just not normal.

As an update, I have contacted another local vet who is actually a "breeding specialist type". I am taking my girl to her next week and she is going to ultrasound her to check for possible ovary problems. She says if that isn't the case, then more than likely we will start her on some hormone therapy and work with her to straighten her out. It may be a matter of just getting her on the right therapy. And then there is always the possibility that she just was not socialized properly as a foal, young horse. The gal I bought this mare from was somewhat sketchy about her history and hasn't really been forthcoming with any info on her. I also checked and it appears her wolf teeth have already been removed. She was a two and three year old futurity snaffle bit horse and I bet they did it back them. That is typical on these young futurity colts.

I would REALLY love to get a few foals out of this mare. I am planning on breeding her to Huntin For Chocolate www.huntinforchocolate.com
and just want to get her "right" before I take her to the breeding farm.

SO.....I would really like to find out what her problem is and get it fixed. I truly believe that there is some underlying physical or emotional problem that is causing this.

I'll keep everybody posted on what we find out with her next week.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1029
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, I've been reading this thread. It's so weird what hormonal imbalance can do to a horse. At least this is what it sounds like to me. I hope your vet will be able to figure her out.

I love the stallion you're interested in. I was really surprised to see he's from Gumz Farm. I live about 7 miles from Gumz Farm. Is that unreal or what.
 

Catherine Owen
Neonate
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To all the girls....
You know what I think, I think this little mare is miserable and she needs help. It just kills me to know that we might be able to make her happier and no one has bothered to do so until I have started worrying with her now that I own her.

Her last owner was more concerned with injecting her hocks to see if they could get another Western Pleasure point out of her than trying to figure out why she has the enlarged udder and these other anti-social tendencies. When I inquired about these things, her former owner acted like all these conditions were "news to her". I don't think all this has just come about in the last 10 weeks or so that I have owned her.

Everybody else in this little gals' past seems to just chalk it up to "She's a B*tchy mare, oh well."

I just look into her eyes and know how kind she is to ride and be around (for me anyway) and I just know that there is some emotional or physical problem that we can probably assist her with. I don't think she is a mean old witch by nature. In fact she seems to be asking for help.

I also think my regular vet (who is a MAN)just thinks, "Oh well, she's just a mare and some mares do these sorts of things. Take her up to the breeding farm and let them sort it out."

Typical male response, huh? Plus this fellow is just not a breeding type of vet. Okay, I'm not beating on all male vets and this guy is one heck of a stitcher and cut guy and is just great with routine shots, teeth, etc. I just don't think he is a broodmare/breeding vet. It isn't his thing.

So the other vet that I have an appointment with next week --- and she is a woman, I just think this is a "woman-thing".}

Marilyn, yes Huntin For Chocolate is at Gumz Farms Kentucky Stallion Station in Morganfield, KY. He is still owned by Paradise Farms out of TX. They are just standing him in KY this year because of the AQHA Kentucky Incentive Fund thing. I'm glad you like him. He is a cool horse. I saw him at Congress several years ago when he won the Western Riding there. He is just a neat fellow. Very strong in the back and great legs. He is almost snow white now so his greying gene appears to be really strong. I'm actually breeding two mares to him, I hope to get a gray out of one of them. This poor little "evil" mare is a bay and my other mare is a sorrell with flaxen mane and tail. No telling what color everybody will turn out!

(Message edited by cateowen on February 21, 2008)
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1031
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got that wrong Catherine, I live in Indiana and he's in KY. I wonder if they own two farms? Interesting....

He's a beauty, you should have very nice foals from him!

You most definately will be the one to save this poor mare from her sad past. I'm feeling very good about her recovery and future pregnancy. Good luck and keep us posted.

It's people like you who make the animal world a better place. :-) God bless you!

Marilyn
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 836
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a good feeling that you will help her Catherine, you care and that's what matters most. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this all works out, please keep us posted. I agree that the stallion is gorgeous! :-)
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1079
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine~Good for you to try and figure out what is up with this mare. I really suspect that you will find something going on in her reproductive tract when you ultrasound her. On the upside at least she is a people horse and you and her get along great that is already an improvement for her life.
 

Catherine Owen
Neonate
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you all for your kind words and thoughts. I will let everyone know what we find out next week and our course of action.

When I buy a horse I do so with the intent of it having a home for life. You know I would hate to think that I had something wrong with me and nobody got it checked out. If it is a tumor or hormone imbalance, I am certain I would probably be out-of-sorts and not too social either!!!

I'm glad ya'll like Huntin For Chocolate. Marilyn, the Gumz Farm is the same one as in Indiana, same people. They bought this farm over the state line in Kentucky due to the Kentucky Incentive Fund regs. The Kentucky Breeders Incentive Fund is HUGE right now with AQHA. The monies are in addition to the regular AQHA Incentive Fund and right now the money is BIG 'cause there isn't that many eligible horses.
Here is the link if anyone wants to read up on the rules and regs of it http://www.kyqha.com/kqhbif/incentivefund.htm

It isn't just Quarter Horses either, the funds apply to several breeds. Basically the stallion has to stand his whole season in KY, the mare has to be bred in KY---at the same farm as the stallion is at, and the foal has to be born in KY.

Therefore, a lot of people are shipping stallions to KY to stand them there, mares are shipped and bred in KY and then brought back home. I am planning on about a month or so prior to the foaling date taking my mares back up to Gumz Farm so they can foal there (in KY) so the foal will be born there. Then they are eligible all their lives for that additional incentive fund money.

The trips back and forth aren't too bad for me and my girls as I live in the Upstate area of South Carolina. It is about a 7 hour drive or so to Gumz' Farm up there. They are completing their foaling facility and it should be fully operational for the 2009 foaling season. State-of-the-art stuff. Which is good for me. I am such a silly goose at foaling time, my nerves don't do well. These people are super experienced (full time vet on staff too!) and my girls will probably be better off with them than with me at foaling time ---- and my nerves! The mare typically does just fine, its me that just doesn't do well at all :-)
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 907
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

are you still injecting her hocks? just curious if she isnt having a withdrawl reaction or something if you arent. I really wouldnt think thats the case as it sounds more hormonal but just food for thought.
 

Catherine Owen
Neonate
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Jenni, thanks for responding. No we aren't injecting her hocks. From her prior vet records, it looks like the last time they were done was in Aug 07 so she is six months away from that. This poor mare was getting her hocks injected, on Banamine, etc.

She has had an "adjustment phase" that's for sure. I bought her for a broodmare because I love the way she is bred. Here is her "dope" out on equine pedigree and there is a pic of her too on the website, just click the picture icon.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zip+ta+two

She has had a change of home, her shoes pulled and is now a pasture horse. It probably has been a lot to adjust too in the past couple of months! She still exhibits some odd "un-marish" behavior though. Her udder concerns me mostly because that is just NOT normal!

Funny thing, a couple of days ago, I moved my gelding over to the pasture next to her and she doesn't display any aggressive behavior toward him at all. I moved the mare she apparently hates over to another pasture where she can still see her but they aren't side-by-side and then my gelding into the pasture next to this "problem child". Everything seems to be pretty quite now.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 912
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SHE IS A BEAUTY i CAN SEE WHY YOU WANT HER "RIGHT"
I HAD A GELDING ONCE THAT DID NOT ADJUST WELL TO CHANGE. IT TOOK HIM 4 MONTHS TO GET NORMAL. HE WOULD BE SUPER AGRESSIVE TO SOME HORSES AND WOULD COMPLETELY COWER FROM OTHERS.FOR THE FIRST 2 WKS HE SAT IN THE CORNER AND SCREAMED. MAYBE SHE WILL CALM DOWN AND RELAX AND THE UDDER WILL GO AWAY AS WELL. hERE'S PRAYING SHE'S AN EASY BREEDER.
 

Catherine Owen
Nursing Foal
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jenni, thanks for the sweet words about my girl. As an update, she has calmed down quite a bit now and the new pasture arrangements for everyone seem to be working out well now. Maybe she just HATES that one mare. I know there are a few certain people that I don't like! :-)

She seems to tolerate my gelding okay and I moved my baby filly over to the other side of her and she actually seems to be making friends with her.

(Message edited by cateowen on February 25, 2008)
 

Colleen Beck
Breeding Stock
Username: Gypsycreations

Post Number: 400
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's wonderful news Catherine! I'm sure it has taken a great weight off your shoulders.
 

Catherine Owen
Weanling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 40
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This whole thing has taken a HORRIFYING turn!

Remember how I said that the situation had seemed to calmed down? HA! Yesterday afternoon, this mare decided to try and EAT my yearling baby filly over the pasture fence. I mean this witch came up OVER the Electric Fence and grabbed hold of my little filly's neck and crunched down HARD! Poor baby filly has a knot on her neck now (it will be okay), and the swiftness and violence of this mare was astounding!

It was like she was lying in wait for this baby to get close enough to the adjoining pasture fence so she could get ahold of her. Then POW! It was like a rattlesnake coming up over the fence. Ears flat, mouth wide open --- I mean I've seen STALLIONS attack things like that! The fence popped her pretty hard (its got a wicked bite) and she back off it and went snorting around her pasture, prancing and snorting like she was SO proud of herself!

She has demonstrated this same behavior toward my 14-year-old gelding on the other side of her, but he is a big boy and basically just comes right back at her and she backs down. This poor baby filly was just grazing along the fence and POW! Bless her heart, she was as shocked as I was.

One question ---- DO YOU THINK THIS MARE MAY BE IN HEAT RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS MAKING HER BEHAVIOR WORSE? Everything seemed to have calmed down last week and then POW! In the last couple of days she has been a "witch from heck". Her one side of her udder is perhaps a bit larger too. Could this be hormones? Maybe she has come into heat? Its not like she "shows" to other horses or anything (ha, ha, unless trying to kill them is an indication....) I haven't noticed any discharges or anything like that. Lord, if this is how she acts when she comes into heat, its probably a good thing we AI because I don't think natural cover would work with this one!

As a result, Miss Witch is in basically a double-walled pasture right now. I had the materials to do it yesterday afternoon, so I came about four foot off the regular pasture fences (on the two sides that adjoin somebody) and made a three strand Electro-Braid fence inside the normal fence (on her side). She can't get at anyone now.

The breeding specialist I was taking her too on Friday of last week had to reschedule us to this week (Thursday), so I am keeping my fingers crossed and praying at this point! Remember now, my regular vet said that this was not "abnormal behavior in some mares" and "some mares just do this (the udder problem)" Thus the 2nd opinion from the breeding specialist.

(Message edited by cateowen on March 03, 2008)

(Message edited by cateowen on March 03, 2008)
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1156
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow Catherine...how scary for you. The mare at our place is just plain nasty all the time. She is stalled by herself and in a hig 8 foot tall pipe with wire. She kicks and snake heads and if given the opportunity would attack any horse. Of course under saddle she is lovely to ride for her owner but sports a red ribbon when out with others:-) Hopefully this new vet will help to shine a light on this distrubing problem. Will he ultrasound?
 

Catherine Owen
Weanling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 42
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jan,
Yes we are going to ultrasound her. In order to determine whether or not this is a tumor or what. The woman I bought her from is very vague about the mare's history, etc. She did have one foal in 2006 and they were not successful in re-breeding her in either 2006 or 2007. She says they did "everything in the world" to try and get her in foal. Ultrasounds, etc. --- couldn't find anything wrong with her.

But then again, this same women didn't know she was a cribber (another neato discovery we have made) and swears she isn't "bad" around other horses. I am just wondering what her definition of "bad" is exactly.

This incident yesterday scared me because I will just not have a dangerous horse around. If I wanted to worry about these sorts of things, I would get a stallion! I think this mare would kill this little yearling baby girl if she could get to her. My gelding, she backs down from because he is about a hand taller than her and probably outweighs her by 400 lbs or so. He is big and also BIG (around :-) She just sort of gives it up when he comes back at her. But this baby filly, she just hammered on yesterday and I mean it was WICKED! The other older mare that I seperated her from initially was always getting beaten up on by her, but she was a grown horse. Now that she has her very own pasture and stall, she never even looks back at "Miss Witch". Couldn't care less about her --- I can't say as I blame her.

On down the road, if there is nothing really wrong with her, I must resign myself to the fact that maybe she is just a witch. (Although I just think there is something hormonal going on because of the udder issue). If she is indeed a witch, then do I want to really raise babies with her? Will she reject a baby? If she has a baby, I bet we can't turn her out with another broodmare/baby because I would worry she would try to hurt them, particularly if she has her own foal. She might be one of these incredibly protective mothers --- who knows?

I have a ton of questions running around in my head right now. I'll know better what course of action to take after we ultrasound her on Thursday. Believe it or not, I am actually hoping it is something medical that we can put right --- I really don't want to think she may just be a raving witch and we will have to forever be on guard with her, particularly with other horses. She is still pretty easy for people to work with and has not offered to be aggressive with people at all.

As a P.S. --- I have been around all sorts of horses, breeds, types, etc. since I was a small child --- almost 40 years now. We have had working cowhorses (actual ranch horses), show horses (Arabs to Quarter Horses), hunter/jumpers, you name it, about any and everything has come thru our barn at one point or another, stallions, geldings, mares --- I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MARE ACT LIKE THIS EVER! And I've had what some people would consider "bad" mares, but NOTHING LIKE THIS! In fact, I can't think of but about two stallions I have seen in my whole lifetime that were this "wicked" when it came to other horses. I mean this little gal means to HURT another horse and wants to!

(Message edited by cateowen on March 03, 2008)
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1157
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine I hope you get your answers Thursday so you can make a informed decision on what to do. Perhaps this mare needs a home where she is a solo horse. Of course at this point the "seller" can't necessarily be a good source of information! As far as breeding her, I believe foals do pick up some behaviors from their moms and you certainly would not want a foal to pick up any of her behaviors! If she has some bloodlines you really want perhaps embryo transfer to a better mannered brood mare?

Wishing you luck, Keep us posted!
 

Catherine Owen
Yearling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 54
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GOOD NEWS
(Well, sort of, I guess it depends on your view of things).

THERE IS NOTHING PHYSICALLY WRONG WITH MY MARE!!!!

She's just an Alpha Witch!

We palpated and ultrasounded like EVERYTHING!

Her ovaries look good, nice size and shape, even saw some follicle development. Uterus has good tone, etc. Absolutely no sign of tumors or any other bad stuff that I was afraid might be lurking.

It appears that she is transitioning just now, so she may have become more fierce due to her transition stage.

RE: the udder thing, I did finally glean some info that her previous baby had not been weaned "real early"; this vet thinks she may have ligament damage on the one teat from the previous baby perhaps nursing too long; (I think along about their yearling year, it is about time to wean them, dont ya'll.)

Anyway, that one teat will probably always be enlarged and mis-shappen because the damage appears to have happened long before I bought her and it appears to be permanent. The fluid that you can draw from it is basically clear and is a lot like serous fluid you would typically see with a damaged ligament/tendon in about any part of the body. We did go ahead and draw some to culture and send off for analysis to be sure.

So..... it looks like she is just a REALLY Alpha mare and we will most likely have to keep her seperate from everybody else.

This vet didn't think she would probably reject a foal or anything since she has already had one and there doesn't seem to be any real reason to think she didn't get along with that one. Quite the opposite in fact can happen, according to this vet --- she could and most likely will be a fiercely protective mama.

So.... She got her teeth floated, her shots updated, etc. and its off to the breeding farm for her in Kentucky and her date with Huntin for Chocolate later this month.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1191
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine that is good news. I have a girlfriend that has a nasty mare and she keeps her pregnant every year because she is really mello when she is pregnant, pretty possessive about the foal but not mean to the foal at all.
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 916
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is great news! At least you know there is nothing wrong with her. :-)
 

Catherine Owen
Yearling
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jan and Tracy,
Yes, it is a "load off". Now it is just a matter of managing her.
Jan, this vet said exactly what you are saying about your friends mare, that if she gets preggers she may mellow out some.

I guess at this point I am thinking she was just poorly socialized with other horses as a young mare. She was one of the two/three - year-old WP futurity horses and was probably pushed a lot then.

What I think is odd is that she seems to really like people, she is easy to handle, loads, clips, stands for farrier, rides nicely (has a couple of Western Pleasure points). She has NEVER one time offered to kick or bite or anything remotely like that at a HUMAN.

However, other horses, and it doesn't matter what kind, size, color, mare/gelding, age, whatever --- SHE ABSOLUTELY HATES OTHER HORSES.

I KNOW, MAYBE SHE THINKS SHE IS A PEOPLE!!!
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 108
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just an update on my difficult little woman.

I think I have her figured out --- SHE IS A "PEOPLE"!

She does indeed think she is a people!!!! This little mare has obviously been a show horse from about Day 1. I have discovered several things about her personality that are critical to keeping her happy:
1) She likes being in the barn and does NOT want to be turned out in the pasture like the other broodmares. Bless her heart, she wants to still be a show horse! Don't get me wrong, she loves to run and snort and jump around when you first turn her out---for about 15 minutes. Then she paces the fence non-stop. She wants back in! She does not want to be a pasture horse!
2) She has absolutely no use for the other mares, doesn't like them and doesn't want to be around them. PERIOD. She wants to be back in the barn and the center of attention.
3) She is a real prima donna. Loves to be primped and pampered. This is one of the few I have run across that actually LIKE having a bath and getting all dolled up. I swear she should be a movie star!

So....we keep her in, primp her daily and she likes to be ridden! Just goes along as dainty and pretty as you please. Maybe she is just not cut out to be a regular old broodmare.
She honestly thinks she is a "cut above".

We will see, we are taking her up to the breeding farm on Monday and I hope she can "survive" 30 days or so up there until she gets preggers. They keep them in seperate pens at night to feed them, etc. but then turn all the mares out in pastures during the day after the breeding duties are over with.
My other broodmare loves being out in the pasture and being one of the "girls". This other little mare --- I just hope she "survives" it!
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 1085
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, that is so funny. What a silly mare! At least it's easy to keep her clean!
 

judy cervantes
Breeding Stock
Username: Judy1

Post Number: 272
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

catherine i think its so great that you have taken the time to even figure out what makes this mare happy and do what it takes to make it happen for her.Shes a lucky girl!
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 122
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Awww....thanks Judy. Now if someone would just try to figure me out!
 

Lynn Bellus
Breeding Stock
Username: Lorilynfarms

Post Number: 679
Registered: 02-2009
Posted on Thursday, May 07, 2009 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I soooo wouldn't breed a mare this nasty.....
 

Carol
Yearling
Username: Rodawn

Post Number: 77
Registered: 05-2009
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine,

This is not witchy behaviour. This mare displays savage behaviour. I'd be really hesitant to breed this mare. In fact I would most emphatically NOT breed this mare.

Several problems could arise with breeding her:
1. She might savage her own foal.
2. She may become very aggressive and dangerous towards you while protecting her foal.
3. She will become even more intolerant of any horses around her foal.
4. An added bonus is that she will also teach her foal this very dismal behaviour.

You have a serious problem on your hands regarding this mare. She is a danger to everyone. One day you could be handling her and she'll attempt to attack a horse nearby to her. You, someone else, or definitely the next horse will be hurt, maimed and/or killed.

You need to get very serious about this mare and very quickly so.

Have you considered the possibility, even though it is super extraordinarily rare, that this mare is a hermaphrodite? The only way to know for sure is to get her genetically tested and have her very thoroughly investigated by the vet specifically for that. Hermaphrodite horses go either two ways: Have very aggressive stallion-like behaviour, or are either infertile or very difficult to get pregnant despite ovulation or stay pregnant. An ultrasound and standard breeding exam does not always reveal the cause.

Are you sure the vet said wolf teeth and not canine teeth? He might have been considering the fact that she may be a hermaphrodite and canines are a male horse feature (rarely they can be found on genetically normal mares too as a normal variant).

(Message edited by rodawn on August 10, 2009)



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