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Lisa R.
Breeding Stock
Username: Lisa98

Post Number: 123
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am in a "debate" about whether or not a mare being around a stallion will induce estrus in the mare. There are so many myths and "personal accounts" of the stallion bringing or keeping a mare in heat that people think this is true. I can't find any scholarly articles to prove my point that a stallion will not induce estrus in a mare. Any help is appreciated. Unless, of course, I am wrong and having a mare around a stallion will induce estrus....and in that case then....well.....I know I'm not wrong here.....
 

Tracy Smith
Yearling
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 65
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lisa, this is purely just an observation but I think sometimes a mare being around a stallion will SHOW her heat more but I don't think it will neccassarily bring her into heat. I have one stallion and 6 mares. All my mares cycle normally every 21 days or so, none of them are constantly in heat and actually a couple of my mares won't even show to my stallion.
Don't know if I helped ya at all!
 

Lisa R.
Breeding Stock
Username: Lisa98

Post Number: 124
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, yes you are correct. The problem I am having is convincing a "barn friend" that she is wrong in thinking a mare being around a stallion or studdy gelding will cause her to actually be in estrus more, more often, or all the time. There are mare who will show estrus as a sign of submission and there are also nymphomanic mares who will allow a stallion to "breed" her even when not in heat. But this isn't actually heat. Ugh. What I'm looking for are scholarly article references that prove to her that I'm right....petty I know; but I'm getting really hot under the collar trying to convince her that she is wrong this time.
 

Coco Tingler
Nursing Foal
Username: Ladyting

Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a young stud and 2 older mares and 2, 2 year old fillys always around him. 1 of my older mare's only shows when she is in heat and both of the filly's only shows when they're in heat. Now my 6 year old Quarter Horse mare dosnt stop showing heat signs around him- ever! It's annoying but so long as she's in sight, smell, and hearing distance of him she's in a constant squat and ready pose.

Just my observation of them. But I'd guess it's just on the horse itself.
 

Tracy Smith
Yearling
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 67
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coco, it's probably like Lisa was stating that she's showing signs due to submission and probably not actual heat.
Lisa, I don't know of any actual articles but maybe Jos does?
I know what you mean when someone is being a "know it all" it's a little petty but also feels good when you can prove them wrong
 

Coco Tingler
Nursing Foal
Username: Ladyting

Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Tracy. I'm young in age and with breeding but as my 6 year old is my show mare (barrel racing) I don't plan to breed her so when she acts like she does it is an annoyance but she's never acted up from it all other than the submission attitude and being her er... lack of better word- slut of self.

This is an intresting convo tho and I'd love to hear what Jos has to say on it.
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 616
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lisa,
You can present all the information in the world, but some will still subscribe to whatever they want to think :-).

Heck, my mare was stalled NEXT to a stallion and never once even looked at him. She is as silent as the day is long....I'd never get her pregnant if I relied on teasing alone!
Nothing like a GOOD repro vet with an ultrasound and VIOLA she's pregnant :-). She's in foal for the 3rd time and I've never seen her tease. Find by me...no grumpy mare and I only AI.
 

Tracy Smith
Yearling
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 69
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I stall my stallion next to his mom and she has never onced showed to him and he has never shown any interest to her, interesting huh?
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1559
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I doubt that you are going to find any "scholarly articles" to support your hypothesis (or that of your barn friend), as - to be honest - no scholar is going to waste their time on a question to which the answer is so patently obvious! (Don't think I'm being rude to you - if anything I'm being rude about your "barn friend"!!! :-)).

If you look in our "Breeding Mythinformation" article (follow that link) you'll even find it listed!!!

Being around a stallion will not bring a mare into estrus....!!!!

To try and support your argument, you might like to print off the article from this site about the mares hormonal cycle, and point out that walking a male into the room isn't going to suddenly halt the production of this variety of hormones, and suddenly cause the production of a whole bunch of different hormones and the onset of estrus!!!!

Good luck... you may need it...!!! :-)
 

Lisa R.
Breeding Stock
Username: Lisa98

Post Number: 125
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys! And you too Jos! I know that you're right about not finding scholarly articles and no one spending ANY time to research what is a KNOWN fact....and thus I have found none. Oh well. And Heather you are definitely right, some will just believe what they want to no matter if it's right or not. I guess that I'm going to have to climb off my high horse and just say that I agree to disagree here.....eep.



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