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Stallion Selection

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Hannah MacDonald
Yearling
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 100
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 06:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All

Well after breeding my first foal last year, Doubtful is being swabbed next week in preparation to go back to stud this year

I need some help picking a stallion though as I cant make my mind up!! Any thoughts on the below...?

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/viewitem.php?id=9303&t=TRIFOLIO

http://www.grafhamstud.co.uk/jumbo.php

http://www.horsedeals.co.uk/bigjump2.aspx?horseid=787

http://www.emcostallionservices.com/stallions/mcguigan.html

Again am looking to breed a typical TB x event type . Max 16 hands, good temprament, paces and decent jump

This is Mummy...

www.hellpass.co.uk/Doubtful/blair_large_copy.jpg
www.hellpass.co.uk/Doubtful/blair3copy.jpg

Also anyone good with colours, from any of the above can I get a chestnut? mad as I am i'd love another chestnut filly!!

(Message edited by hannah on April 16, 2007)
 

Emma Newby
Neonate
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Hannah - she's lovely, and I don't believe the chestnut mare thing!!

Just to confuse you further and because I am debating putting my mare in to foal to get an all round event type. The best stallion I have seen so far in the flesh is this one... http://www.westkingtonstud.co.uk/downloads/StudCardWindsorHeights2007.pdf

He has featured on the front page of a conformation book and the photos don't do him justice as he is short backed and throws this and very powerful hinds into his progeny. I've seen a 4 and a 5 year old out of him and they were also lovely event types.

Sorry if this makes decisions worse!!

Emma
 

Hannah MacDonald
Breeding Stock
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 101
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Emma

He is about 20 minutes away from me! Nice horse but and does put a nice stamp on his crop but has been known to throw one with an odd temprament so always been a bit dubious.

Are you close to him then?
 

Emma Newby
Neonate
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Hannah,

You must be near me too then! I keep my mare near Badminton. Didn't know that about the temperament and definitely something to be wary of then! They have some lovely horses up there as was there checking them out last week. Am now also looking into a Section D as a sire for my TB mare as I want to event (but not to a high level) as well as SJ and dressage - a general riding horse as opposed to a fine competition one. Have seen and ridden some lovely crosses, as long as you get a competition section D.

Did you breed at home or did you send yours to stud to breed? My mare lost her foal prematurely (about 8 weeks prem) 5 years ago so only just brave enough to try again now and not sure what to do re the foaling and thinking I need to send her to stud to foal with all the experience and help but not sure if West Kington will let me if it's a stallion not on their books.
 

Leia
Yearling
Username: Leia

Post Number: 55
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hannah ~ good luck choosing they all look great! I have no experience with eventing horses so I will not put my uneducated pick for you. But I will say that if you want a chestnut you do have a 50 % chance if you bred to the stud Jumbo since he has sired chestnuts before he must carry the chestnut gene and your mare has 2 copies (since she is chestnut) of that gene as well. Also the stallion that Emma sent has also thrown a chestnut which means the same percentages apply to him as well. If any stallion who is not chestnut has any chestnuts in his get he has the chestnut gene and can sire chestnut foals 50% of the time to chestnut mares. Hope that helps and good luck!!
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 538
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say go for #2 stallion
http://www.grafhamstud.co.uk/jumbo.php

While not as pretty in the head as I'd prefer, he sure has a nice frame on him....and obviously has proven himself as a sire.
But, the question is, is he the right cross for your mare?
Best of luck to you!
 

Hannah MacDonald
Breeding Stock
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 102
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, my mare had both chestnut parents so fingers crossed

Heather - Jumbo is fantastic and a superb sire of competition horses, and would add a bit more bone to my mare which would be great.
The one thing holding me back is his stud fee - its 1000 ($2000?)
 

Hannah MacDonald
Breeding Stock
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 103
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emma - I am just south of Chippenham so really close.

My friend has a Welsh x TB, he evented to 1* level and is the most wonderful genuine horse. Not the best on the flat, but very agile and was a perfect JRN/Novice horse! Lovely allround type

And I bred my mare at Willesley, and took her back home. Successfully foaled on my own, with my parents arriving about 5 minutes after he was born. So sorry you lost yours, but well done for being brave - its a fabulous thing to do/enjoy
 

Colleen Beck
Breeding Stock
Username: Gypsycreations

Post Number: 122
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Hannah, My pick is McGuian (sp?) He is a gorgeous mover! Don't know if you'd get a chestnut out of him, but color is always at the bottom of my list of importance.
 

Leia
Yearling
Username: Leia

Post Number: 57
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hannah- if you cross two chestnuts...the foal will ALWAYS be chestnut...just to you know! The chestnut color is recessive meaning you need both genes to be for the color to be shown in the horse. So all chestnut horses have 2 chestnut genes("ee" is how that is shown genetically) and cannot pass on anything else besides chestnut. So for the studs that have thrown chestnuts before there genotype(the combos of genes) are Ee which means they have 50% chance of passing on the e to make a chestnut foal with your mare or the E to make a bay or black depending on the horse in question. However this does not apply at all to a grey stallion since that is a completely different story. Hope that helps!
 

Emma Newby
Neonate
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the support Hannah, some people turn their noses up at the Welsh cobs but I think they're gorgeous. I'm tempted by the following at the mo:

http://members.aol.com/WELSHHORSES/DerwenTrot-On.htm
http://members.aol.com/WELSHHORSES/erwfforch_dewin_diruedus.htm

and maybe this one...
http://www.yswain.co.uk/page2.html
or him...
http://www.floreatstud.co.uk/LlaninaMaredudd.html

...it's just too hard!!

Think I need to go and meet them all. My mare is a rescue horse and used to have such bad psychological problems as a result that when I first got her (10 years ago) she used to have panic attacks and lie on the floor and pretend to be dead (diagnosis from vet, apparently flight animals like horses do this when they feel that all hope is lost which broke my heart). She hasn't done it for 9 years now and is so sweet and trusting that I think the TLC worked wonders but I do want to check out the people at the stud as well as the stallion as I don't want her handled roughly or shouted at and sent into a panic again. I think I'm a paranoid and over protective owner now!

For what its worth, my opinions on your choices is that Jumbo is gorgeous (16.3 so you're foal may get higher than your 16hh max!) but Trifolio has a beautiful head and also seems more compact than the others that have that long lean TB look. I also really love quality coloureds and Uptons Deli Circus is just that!

So hard to choose...
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 539
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emma,
I don't know who could possibly look down on those Welsh Cobs! They are beautiful. I have to agree...they are gorgeous! If I could only have one of each breed I love...the WC would def. be on the list :-).

Since we are all sharing, here is a pic(s) of the stallion Grace was bred to. She is almost 4 weeks in foal (continue to keep fingers crossed).
[IMG]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f298/HeatherCK11/Other/Project2.png[/IMG]
 

Emma Newby
Neonate
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 03:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good luck with the foal Heather - daddy is the most gorgeous colour - what colour is the mare?
 

Hannah MacDonald
Breeding Stock
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 105
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emma the Derwen lines are fantastic so go for something like that, top quality welshies!

You will get a fab stamp if you have a TB type mare who will lighten the Welsh D.

Do those listed have semen at West Kington?
 

Hannah MacDonald
Breeding Stock
Username: Hannah

Post Number: 106
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 05:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heather - did Grace foal this yr also? Or was there a foal called Grace born recently?
 

Colleen Beck
Breeding Stock
Username: Gypsycreations

Post Number: 126
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That Derwen Trot-On horse is fantastic! If I didn't have so many Gypsy Cobs, I would go for some Welshies! Just gorgeous! I've been watching the Rephartox WC's on mare stare. They are such pretty girls.
 

Emma Newby
Neonate
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep - Derwen Trot-On is my fave out of them all. Should be getting a video of him soon... then a case of taking the plunge - exciting and scarey!!!

Hannah - no, these boys don't have any at West Kington, they do have some welsh stallions but I really like Trot-On.
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 540
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Emma,
Grace is a seal brown...so far, she has had 1 seal brown colt, and 1 bay colt.
Here she is:
[IMG]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f298/HeatherCK11/P12700131.jpg[/IMG]

Hannah,
Yes, Grace had a Feb. foal this year. Here are a few pics of him:
[IMG]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f298/HeatherCK11/Grace%202007%20foal/IMG_1545- 2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f298/HeatherCK11/Grace%202007%20foal/IMG_1595- 2.jpg[/IMG]
 

Emma Newby
Nursing Foal
Username: Emsxx

Post Number: 11
Registered: 04-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Crikey - she's gorgeous! And the foal too. You're very lucky. I hope my mare gets into foal and has it successfully this time round - I will probably be a prolific poster this time next year if I do take the plunge (which I think I will!!)



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