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When do you let nature take over?

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Mood Swings
Neonate
Username: Mood_swings

Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare has been discharging again - small amounts of dark blood and a slightly opaque viscous fluid. Unfortunately she still has 3 months to go before she reaches her April 16 due date. She is still on a double dose of regu-mate and has just finished a second round of both Pentoxifyline and Sulfa-trim. I am quickly losing hope for this foal :-( and now am becoming more and more concerned about the mare as she is quite large already, what kind of damage might an abortion cause her, especially if it is unattended? I am tempted to have the vet u/s her again and maybe try a diffent course of antibiotic treatment but how do you know if trying to keep the foal alive is not doing more harm than good? Perhaps the foal has a serious defect that will cause a dystocia or perhaps the foal will be born terribly ill and succumb to his poor health. Every day that goes by is a day closer to the due date but also a day in which the foal grows larger. I know I am an over-thinker, however it is hard not to imagine the potential outcome.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1146
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the mare is going to abort, she will do so through whatever treatments she is receiving.

The general rule with placentitis (which I assume is what you are dealing with?) is to treat with the drugs that will prevent prostaglandin release and those that will tend to keep the cervix tight (usually Banamine and Regumate respectively) until 310 days of pregnancy, but maintain antibiotic therapy until term - and bear in mind that the foal has been exposed to a pathogen in-utero so it is high-risk for neonatal septicaemia at birth and should therefore probably receive a course of antibiotics at birth.
 

Mood Swings
Neonate
Username: Mood_swings

Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos, thank you for your reply. I realize that a mare will abort regardless of any medication she is on I guess I meant more in terms of whether to continue all the treatment. I guess that was kind of a silly question because how could I not at least try, I was feeling sorry for myself ;)The vet scanned her again today and saw that the placenta has thickened further since the last u/s (2 1/2 weeks ago)- it is now about 1.35cm thick. The vet is no longer very optimistic as her cervix has also begun to relax. He has opted to treat her with penicilin and gentococin for a few days and than continue with sulfatrim for the remainder of the pregnancy. He has never mentioned banamine and to be honest I keep forgetting to ask. Should I treat her with it anyways? The last month and a half has already cost well over thousand, what's another $300/month if it increases the chances? Do you think it will matter though, now that her cervix isn't tight? The vet would like to suture her because of her conformation but if she aborts while no one is there . . . Thanks.
 

Jos
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Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can't answer your question with regards to the Banamine - you need to ask your vet. There may be other issues to which I am not privy as to why they did not recommend the Banamine.

WRT the suturing, as you note, there is a distinct risk of serious complications if the mare aborts, and I think if it were my mare I would be inclined to not suture. In fact, we recommend during the lectures that if a mare has a Caslick's procedure in place and is potentially going to abort late-term, then removal of the Caslick's procedure may well be warranted.
 

Mood Swings
Neonate
Username: Mood_swings

Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you for your advice Jos. It is very nice to be able to throw questions out there at all hours of the day/night and to get an educated answer. In regards to suturing, I concur.
 

Em Taylor
Neonate
Username: Dressagegurl

Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dont have anything to help you but wanted to say I hope all turns out ok for you and your mare... keep us updated!
 

Aimee Sutherland
Neonate
Username: Aimee_s

Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree about the suturing, mainly cause I've been there with a caslick...

my mare was full term and due to have her caslick removed in a day or two, unfortunately she went early (I owned her at the time, but the baby wasn't mine so she was sort of in a "free lease" situation with the owners of the foal, plus I had only about a years worth of horse knowledge so I had no clue). So to foal she had to rip herself open. Thankfully the foal did come through the right place and didn't tear anything inside, but he made a nice mess of her vulva. She swelled up like a ballon and it created a pocket that her manure and urine loved to collect in. It was pretty nasty, but luckily she healed up just fine and has produced one other foal (9 years later) and is due to have another this July. But that was my experience with a caslick still being in when a mare goes into labour.
 

Kerry Ryan
Neonate
Username: Veetiepony

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mood Swings- I'm curious, what happened with your mare? It sounds like the situation I'm in right now with my mare.
 

Mood Swings
Yearling
Username: Mood_swings

Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I looked at this thread and thought by the title that I had seen it before lol

There was an extremely happy ending for moi :-) The mare foaled on Easter Sunday of '07, she made it to 330 days gestation. Aside from the foal having a shorter then normal hair coat she was perfect!! We treated the foal with penicillin to be on the safe side as the mare had had quite the infection in her placenta. The filly is now almost 700 pounds and doing fantastic! Best of luck with your mare. I just bought another one from an auction and of all the luck she may have the same thing :o



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