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Missed Pregancy???

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Allyson
Neonate
Username: Ally

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We purchased a mare that was to have been pregnant. At 65 days she definately wasn't on ultrasound. So, we gave lutalyse because she didn't come back in. We AI'd her. On ultrasound she showed a very small "something". The vet said if it was a foal it was probably not viable. So, we drew blood. She had a hormone level that could indicate a pregancy. So the vet wanted to recheck her ultrasound in a week. His partner came out. Said what he saw was a small cyst. No baby. But she had a follical of around 3.5, so ordered semen. He came out a day later and AI'd her, two days in a row. He gave her a shot to cause her to ovulate, just to be sure. Oxytocin 2 cc 8 hrs following each AI. Then 22 days later he came out and said the same thing, looked like the cyst. Only measured what would have been a 10 day embryo. When we purchased this mare the lady told us she was extremely fertile, and I spoke with the owner before her and got the same story. The mare appears pregnant already (lowered belly). Her former owner told us she showed very quickly every time. We aren't going to do anything now until Spring, but if she really is pregnant, we want to treat her as a pregnant mare. I am questioning the two vets? Could they have possibly been missing the pregancy's and she acutally was pregnant from the second breeding? These vets didn't know this mare or her breeding habits from her prior foals. She had a AI foal in 2005 (we have her). Took on the first AI. I can't imagine how difficult the emotions for a human trying to get pregnant would be, if I am having this trouble with a horse! Thanks for any insight you can give me.
 

maxine clough
Neonate
Username: Kiaraapple

Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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had my mare covered last september had her brought into season i had her scaned vet siad he could see nothing so we had blood drawn, results came back within two days which i questioned has i had been told that they would not be back until 7-10 days, they were inconclusive
however, she is due to foal next week and unless there is an alien in there she is in foal , she had large milk vians now and on inspection tonight she is softening on the top of her rump, however, she may be having a phantom if that is possible in horses, i have just this week changed her food to mare and foal mix just incase i'll post the results when and if anything happens. but i have been told that you can get negatives that should be posiives but you never get a positive that means a negative
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 972
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If she was pregnant from the first breeding, after prostaglandin and oxytocin, the chances are that she won't be now.

Simply because a mare has got pregnant easily in the past does not mean that she will for ever. As the mare has more foals and/or ages, problems with the reproductive tract will become more common. If you are not comfortable with the veterinary treatment she is currently receiving, find another vet - preferably one that is board certified and specializes in reproduction (a theriogenologist).
 

Ally
Neonate
Username: Ally

Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So, is the prostaglandin the drug that caused her to ovulate or the one that caused her to come in season?

I was looking for a theriogenologist, even contacted the vet school at Mizzou in Columbia. They wouldn't give a recommendation. As a matter of fact, the vet/admin person that called me almost was insulting to me and said "it isn't rocket science, anyone can do it." Is there an organization that can recommend specialist in KC? I think our vet is good generally, but he did tell us he has a 60% conception rate with AI - so is that a good rate? Maybe we are just grasping at straws?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 973
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Lutalyse" is a brand name for prostaglandin, the hormone given to bring the mare into estrus ("season").

The American College of Theriogenologists has a search tool to find members by a variety of different methods including State.

The attitude of the person you contacted is unfortunate - the more so as you are in a position where it is evident that not "anyone can do it"... :-( It is however, a reflection on the facility you contacted - a bad one - and not on yourself for seeking the information.
 

Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 202
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos I searched on the link you provided and found the entire US has only 16 theriogenologists and none of them are in the western US.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 977
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What State are you in, and where are you located? There are theriogenologists in the western US, but they may for some reason not be listed. I might know of someone who can help.
 

Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 203
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm in Idaho and hoping to see you in a couple weeks at Bens.
 

Jos
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Post Number: 978
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you're in Idaho, talk to Dr. Dirk Vanderwall at the University of Idaho in Moscow. Really nice guy, very approachable, and Theriogenologist of the year for 2005... :-)

See you in a few weeks!
 

Ally
Neonate
Username: Ally

Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos, thanks for the info. I did find a couple of vets not far from our farm. I spoke to our mare's previous vet (from her previous owner) who thinks we need a uterine biopsy. I am afraid our vet just missed the timing. Either way, can't rebreed until next spring. I just will learn to relax!
Thanks again!
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 988
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A uterine biopsy and culture in an older mare will tell you more than a culture and cytology, so certainly after breeding failures it may prove very beneficial.

Relaxing is good too!!! :-)
 

shawn connerty
Neonate
Username: Shawnee

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a mini mare that was pasture bred until Sept 5th of 05. She has been bagged up since Oct of 05. Her belly is large and dropped into a V. Large milk bag and vulva is relaxed and elongated.My foaling table says she could go until Sept 10 but wondering if this could be a false pregnancy ? How long can they show signs if false? My vet who does not see many miniatures told me she would not show this many signs for this long.Her bag does get smaller and larger at differnet times . I have not had her ultrasounded or blood tested as she seemed to be progressing at the right rate.Has anyone had a mare bag up for so long? She is 16 and had at least 8 foals that I know of with no problems. Thank you.
Shawn



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