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Move 30 days Pregnant Problem mare?

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Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 25
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a mare that has been difficult to breed to say the least. Tried all last year and the last shot this year she is now 30 days in foal as of the 31st of July. My question is this...she is at my trainers barn approx 25 min from my house. I really would like to move her home. She is currently in a dry lot with her gelding who also lives my house (this was to minimize stress for all parties!) but, I am worried about stress levels and her possibly slipping this (now very expensive) foal. Anyone have some opinions on what to do. OH, she is on Regumate and that seems to be what has allowed her to keep the conceptus this long. she had eed two times before once last year and once at the very beginning of this season. Thanks for any response!!!
 

Torsten Tiemann
Neonate
Username: Qhbreeder

Post Number: 8
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jennifer ,
I wouldnt worry as long as she is on reg!
We use it on mares in foal to transport them to Europe (48 Houre trips sometimes from Barn to Barn inc. a flight and time difference)compared to the stress of this ,- your`s a Joke!!
We never lost a pregnancy under regumate on those transports.
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, we had so much trouble getting her to the 30 day mark, that I was nervous. I moved her on Thursday and she and her gelding were happy as clams! I think they liked being home! Oh, I am nervous for the 45 day check. When are they out of the danger zone?
 

Torsten Tiemann
Nursing Foal
Username: Qhbreeder

Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well,
It take hours to explains , and im not a good writer, so I would just leave her on Regumate till day 120
Do a progesteron level check and if its over 4ng wean her of the Regumate. Think about leaving her on it though untill day 300, if she is such a hard to keep in foal mare.thats the surest way if youd prefer that!
Again thats how i would do it Im not saying that this is the only way to do it.
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 28
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks,
I have heard 120 days as well, but someone else told me 5 months. I am probably going to be overly cautious and talk to the vet about leaving her on it longer. She lost two before this and the vet pulled one blood sample to test for progesterone levels when she was at 12mm on the 16 day check (worried about her levels) she came back right in the middle of normal, however she had lost the conceptus at 30days. I know you need to do a few days of testing to get an accurate read, so I am hedging against this by using Regumate and so far so good. Keeping all extremities crossed!
 

J.R.Hamilton
Yearling
Username: Cobbreeder

Post Number: 70
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had always been told 160 days when the placenta kicked in and to wean off Regumate very slowly at that.
Have also tested blood every trimester to make sure levels are within normal range.
You are being careful handling this stuff, aren't you????...it plays havoc with the female body of a human as it can be absorbed thru the skin
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 965
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Endogenous ("from the mare") progesterone secretion peaks at about 90 days and then declines to base-line levels by about 210 days. By 120 days the feto-placental unit has commenced secretion of another progestin - 5a Pregnane - and these have taken over the function of progesterone. Ovariectomised mares that have had embryos transfered into them are kept on progestin supplementation until 120 days when supplementation is ceased and they retain the pregnancies, so 120 days seems to be the demarkation point, although going through to 150 days may assist in supporting your own sleep patterns (possibly the most important and effective function of Regumate! :-)).
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 30
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jos, I may go to 150 days! (I need my sleep ) And J.R. Yes, I am VERY careful with Regumate, I wear Latex gloves and throw them away after each use!

Will it be a weaning off process or a cease and desist with reguard to the Regumate?
 

J.R.Hamilton
Yearling
Username: Cobbreeder

Post Number: 71
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have always practised slow weaning off Regumate instead aburpt halt as it does have an effect on the hormaonal level. Best of luck,
Jackie
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 968
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Latex gloves will not prevent passage of Regumate, and in fact allow its passage at a slower rate than skin, so once it has passed through the latex it will be more readily absorbed by the skin than back through the glove...

The manufacturers recommend use of a 6 mil. nitrile glove.
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 33
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Great! Where do I get 6 mil. nitrile glove? What exactly will the Regumate do to me...dare I ask?
 

J.R.Hamilton
Yearling
Username: Cobbreeder

Post Number: 73
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

See if your Vet can order some for you or just do a google on them.
Regumate- screws up your hormonal cycles and can actually cause even blood clots in your legs.
BE careful
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 969
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You might try your local hardware or feed store as well. The Regumate label is viewable (follow that link) and carries information about precautions and side-effects.



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