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Marbles?

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hedgerow pony farm
Breeding Stock
Username: Lotsofponies

Post Number: 216
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A friend bought her perfect broodmare, large pony hunter, great show record and blood lines. But she finds out the mare had a marble put in her in '07. Takes her to repro clinic to be removed but it has encapsalated and after several hour over 2 days they can't get it out. Now they are trying to find a vet to do orthoscopic surgery. Friend very unhappy.

How do you normally get a marble out, do you think it is possible to get one out that has encapsalated? What about the trama to the uterus, any chance for this mare to be a productive broodmare?

Most people have riding horses vetted when buying, this is an excellent example why a repro exam is also important. I probably would of never thought of asking if she had a marble put in her. Do mares that have been on regumate most of their show career incounter fertility issues?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3395
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Commonly the marble remains loose in the uterus and is guided towards the cervix per rectum and expelled therefrom. Obviously this did not occur in the case of your friend's mare and having been encapsulated, could not be.

Depending upon the degree of surgery required to remove the marble, the prognosis for future pregnancy could be good.

WRT to Regumate use: One of the acknowledged risks of progestin therapy is an increase int he likelihood or severity of endometrial (uterine) infection. This caution actually appears on the Regumate label. If a mare is subjected to a long-term endometrial infection, reduction of endometrial quality is one risk, which could result in a lowered conception or pregnancy maintenance rate.
 

Kate Goshorn
Breeding Stock
Username: Kateg

Post Number: 108
Registered: 06-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just have to ask. Why would you put a marble in a mare's uterus?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3396
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Placement of a sterile marble >35 mm in diameter in the mare's uterus at the end of estrus just as the cervix is closing has been shown to suppress estrus for up to 90 days (or longer in some instances) in a significant portion of mares. It is cheaper to use than Regumate or other progestin therapy, which are sometimes used to the same effect (estrus suppression) in competition animals.
 

Kate Goshorn
Breeding Stock
Username: Kateg

Post Number: 109
Registered: 06-2010
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good to know. I may ask my vet about that since my mare is a hard cycler and she is coming back into competition. Thanks Jos!!
 

hedgerow pony farm
Breeding Stock
Username: Lotsofponies

Post Number: 217
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If one uses the marble to suppress estrus should it be removed routinely, every 90 or ? days to prevent it from becoming incapsulated? My friend's pony is quite ill from all the trama and the vets were not able to retrieve the marble. It had been in the mare for 4 years. This is an excellent example of why a reproductive pre-purchase exam is so important especially on preformance mares, my friend is out 1000's of dollars with cost of the mare and vet bills. It's so sad for the mare and what she has been through.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3397
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In most cases, the marble would be likely to be expelled spontaneously. There really is no set protocol for marble use in estrus suppression, so saying it should or shouldn't be removed on a set time line is impossible. As most mares will go into winter anestrus, it would however seem a likely protocol to remove the marble just prior to the onset of the autumn transitional period.
 

hedgerow pony farm
Breeding Stock
Username: Lotsofponies

Post Number: 219
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An update: The mare became toxic and the vets could not save her. RIP Sweet Grace...
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 4027
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oh how horrible!! so sorry to hear :-(
 

Cheryl Mondry
Yearling
Username: Cmondry

Post Number: 99
Registered: 05-2010
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a sad ending. My thoughts are with you and her family during this difficult time.



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