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Pasture Breeding Failure?

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Bernadette de St. Aubin
Neonate
Username: Mom

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know that a lot of people don't agree with pasture breeding. That issue aside...

My mare (maiden, 7 years old) started showing signs on a Friday (winking, attitude change) and we took her to the stallion on Monday. She was immediately receptive, he covered he twice in an hour in the first two hours we were there. *This is a VERY kind, gentle, respectful stallion, there are NO issues with the two being together*

We left my mare with him for 48 hours figuring if he covered her twice that quickly, two full days should be enough. When we picked her up she was still parking out and trying to get his attention. The next day at home, she wasn't showing anything. Day 16 ultrasound came up negative. :-( Vet said her uterus indicated she was coming back in although the follicles were on the small side still. 5 days later we took her back to the stallion and she has been there all week. Not showing any signs and they go everywhere together in the paddock, eat together, sleep together. Like an old married couple. They seem very attached but no covering. I'm worried that we missed her for the year.

Any advice? THANK YOU!
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3046
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Probably the best advice we can give is to have her checked again. Pregnancies get missed, and if the stallion was willing to cover her the first visit but not the second, then the most likely reason is she's already pregnant.
 

B
Neonate
Username: Mom

Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jos. I guess my concern is that given the fact that it's November, we may have missed her for the year. If she was to come in one more time, did it already pass? Is it coming?

The stallion was interested in her and was trying to get close immediately when we put them back together but she let him know that she wasn't having it and they've been nice and attached at the hip ever since. They really are so nice and cute together. They eat head to head and stick close. In your opinion, or anyone elses, is two days of receptive heat enough? She was out the day after we took her home.

If it weren't November I wouldn't be so concerned... I'm wondering if I'm paying mare care for nothing however and if she's done.

The vet said she was coming back in so what happened? He is a VERY experienced vet who deals with breeders on a very large and regular basis. Is it possible that he just happened to not see something on my mare? I'm so confused...!!
 

B
Neonate
Username: Mom

Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



I just went up to see the couple this morning... she is parking out and peeing all over the place. Cutting him off and putting herself in front of him, tail raised. He was having none of it. He was grooming her back for a moment this morning with his mouth/teeth. After that, he wanted none of it. Could this be because she's JUST coming in? I saw her Saturday, there was no sign of anything from either horse.
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 3686
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know that my stallion will not mount a mare (no matter how demanding she is) until *he* thinks she smells ready. They can back him all over the place peeing all over him, and he will not touch her till it's time. I assume he knows what he's doing, as he typically only takes one breeding to get a mare in foal....just a thought
 

B
Neonate
Username: Mom

Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Diane for your thoughts. I'll be on my way in a few to check in on them. He is a very experienced stallion so I wondered if what you suggested may be the case. Either way, she's in and so I have an idea now of when I can bring her home. :-)
 

Jos
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Post Number: 3050
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bear in mind that around 10% of mares will still show "heat" even though pregnant, so my previous recommendation still stands - have her checked again.
 

B
Neonate
Username: Mom

Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Jos. Nothing today that I'm
seeing, nothing like yesterday. She's not trying to get his attention at all. I'll be taking her home in a few days and scheduling the ultrasound.



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