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West Nile Shot kills foals?

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Trish
Neonate
Username: Tkhugo

Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2009
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been told for years that the west nile shot will kill your foals. I don't give the shot to any of my horses! I did alot of homeworking looking for a nice TWH breeding stallion and I found on last year. Bloodlines to die for. I was told this week that the breeder gave him the west nile shot. We bred him to Racking, TWH's and even my QH mare. I bred him to 15 mares and out of the 15 mares 5 took. Out of the 5 mares only one foal is alive. All the foals had big heads, and bad legs! The mare that had a dummy foal also was given the west nile shot. It was a bad breeding year for us. I will post pictures soon!

Has anyone had any problem with the shot?
Trish

(Message edited by tkhugo on July 23, 2009)
 

Marilyn Lemke
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 2161
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We gave West Nile shots at 7 months and she's perfectly fine. But if I would have seen this post, I would have to rethink it.

We have a very bad mosquito problem by us and if I had to do it again... gosh, I guess I'd have to take the chance, but I would have been worried sick the whole time. So I'm glad my filly was fine and I didn't know about this.
 

Trish
Neonate
Username: Tkhugo

Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2009
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I WAS TOLD WEST NILE VACCINE CAUSES ABORTIONS, ABSORPTIONS, DEFORMED FOALS, DISRUPTS NORMAL MARES CYCLES AND CAN AFFECT THE FERTILITY OF STALLIONS ALSO!!
Trish
 

Samantha
Breeding Stock
Username: Dressage_diva333

Post Number: 789
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe it was conformational defects with the breeding animals that cause "big heads and bad legs"...

I vaccinate every one of my horses for West Nile. I personally think it's bull when people blame the WNV vaccine harms horses. Never once, have we had a single issue with it, and we have a lot of horses. Of course there will be small risks with every vaccine, and I'm willing to take that risk, over potential death or $$$$$$$ to treat a horse.

My stallion gets it as well, his first insemination conception rate was 100% this year, and it was very high last year as well. Definately no fertility problems. My mares get it 30 days pre foaling, and I had 5 completly healthy foals born this year. My mares did start cycling a little later this year, but I think that was due to the odd weather. So in my experiance; it doesn't cause abortions, never had a deformed foal, cycles are fairly normal, and my stallion is very fertile. I suggest you check where your getting your information....
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 2592
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I live in So Calif. and my mare was up to date on her West Nile during both pregnancies and I followed my vet's advice as to when to start the round of WN on my youngsters..first shot at 6 months...no problems and then their boosters after that. I have seen several horses stricken with West Nile and no thank you. Maybe the stallion is excellent but he is not any good on passing his genetics on? Not all excellent stallions are good reproducers
 

Trish
Neonate
Username: Tkhugo

Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2009
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I did my homework and with his sire and dam also. Had a full check-up done. This boy was not cheap at all. If you go to http://lost-foals-group.4t.com/index.html Not all horses have problems. My vet also stands behind us about the WNV killing my foals. The WNV does work for 90% of the horses, but the 10% that it does effect is devasting. Until it happens to you, you will never understand the heartache. I hope you will never have too!
Trish
 

Trish
Neonate
Username: Tkhugo

Post Number: 5
Registered: 07-2009
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn take a look at this site.http://www.holistichorse.com/ They give us another way to combat WNV. I know we need to be wary of this virus but it really needs more testing. I am going to check out this alternate form of vacine for my horses. Your filly may never have any problems. For both you and her, I hope everything goes fine. Meanwhile check out this link.
Trish
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 2594
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trish~Heartbreaking Stories...Thanks for the link. But let me clarify...my mare was vaccinated prior to breeding and not during her gestation and no booster during gestation....the foals were not exposed to the vaccine until they reached 6 mos...perhaps that is why??? I hope that the other alternative works out for you...let us know..Thanks
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 2556
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check out out archive page for comments about the WNV vaccine furor when it was "news". You can also check out the thread about it on this bulletin board.

We personally received some incredibly rude correspondence from the "lost foals" website when we voiced our opinion - which remains unchanged. There is not a single piece of scientifically proven evidence offered on that web site to support their claims, while there is research that demonstrated a lack of problems with the vaccine use in pregnant mares.

OP - What did the autopsies show on your dead foals? You did have autopsies performed didn't you? How did the autopsy demonstrate a link to the WNV vaccine use?
 

Ann
Yearling
Username: Northernperch

Post Number: 88
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unfortunately, vaccines are seen as the end all and a panecia. This is not true...there are vaccine breaks (when a vaccine out of a certain lot number is not effective), there are adverse reactions, there are some that cannot get the vaccine due to allergies (think folks with food allergies and eggs/flu shots).

Still and all, vaccines are the best preventative medicines we have. For a relatively small cost, you are protcted against relatively large costs if your horse is infected or worse, dies.

As owners and stewards of animals, we must do our level best for the animals in our care. Each person evaluates what consitutes "best" based on their own finances, experiences and filters. There is no one best answer. Best practices however can guide and the best practices seem to indicate that vaccinations are well worth the inherant risks. (Pneomabort (sp? - too lazy to look) is controversial..some use it and some say that it causes mares to dump embryos. We use it with no issues.)

Personally, I would rather lose a foal to abortion then lose a mare or have a sick mare and thousands of dollars in vet bills. True losing a foal is sad but I suppose I ascribe those things to nature and natural selection. <shrug>

Bottom line, do your research and decide what is best for . You have to live with the decisions that you make so asking for advice is fine, but know that utimately, the decision is yours alone and you have to own the outcome. I might gently suggest that you look at other causes for the abortions and foal lose. Have you for instance had your water tested? As more and more people join this planet, the amount of pure crap getting in to our natural resources is staggering! Starting with water testing might show you a shock, and it is eay and relatively inexpensive. (Benefits the people drinking the water that the horses drink too..you may be driking some pretty nasty stuff!

As for genetics, were it easy, we would all be RICH. Some of the best horses do not relia
bly reproduce their best traits....perhaps this applies to the stallion you used?

Good luck!
Ann
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 2488
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well spoken, Ann.



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