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Can transitional mare form a CL?

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Cynthia Lydon
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Username: Clydon

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Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare is at the vet's practice, and for the second heat, has not been bred. I was told that she had a 43 plus follicle yesterday, was given HCG, and today has a CL and the follicle regressed and "went away" so the mare much be transitional, and I should take her home and bring her back when she is cycling more regularly. Two heats were 21 days apart, following a heat 21 days earlier at home. Should I believe this vet? This is expensive.
 

Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If a CL is present, the mare - by definition - can no longer be considered transitional (the term "transitional" refers to the time period between winter anestrus, and the onset of regular cyclicity heralded by the first ovulation of the year - which will produce a CL).

If the follicle was a 43 yesterday, and she was given hCG, and today it's disappeared, and there's a CL present, and you're being told she's transitional and the follicle regressed, you need to find another vet, and maybe report the one you have to the State vet board... Get it in writing, and move on... :-(
 

Cynthia Lydon
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Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Jos. That is what I was thinking, but was afraid I was so upset that I was not thinking clearly. She is also quite lame now, apparently running in a rocky paddock....performance mare. Anyway, looking forward to you guys doing another short course in California someday.
 

Cynthia Lydon
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Posted on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I did take her home. And 16 days later, she seemed to be coming into heat, I trailered her 2 hours to a different vet who checked her and found a follicle at 38. I talked the vet into giving her some HCG and sending me home with oxytocin...and then took her home and followed the protocol, inseminating the next afternoon and very early the following morning. Had the local vet check for pregnancy last week and she couldn't find anything. And today I had my daughter in law check her with her ultrasound...and a beautiful embryo!
I wouldn't have been brave enough without the course a couple of years back!
Guess she wasn't "transitional" after all....and the vet's report was amazing....follicles coming and going and CL's coming and going too! And the uterus "transitional" throughout.



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