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Uterine Fluid

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Donna Daily
Neonate
Username: Missy

Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos,
I need some of your great advice! I went back and read many post from several years ago on fluid in a mare. My vet A.I. my mare, uterus looked great, cervix nice an open, she ovulated by the following morning and I also gave 1cc of Oxytocin 6 hrs after insemenating. No fluid in the uterus. We checked her on day 20 and she is swimming in fluid but PG, cervix tightly closed. I am guessing she is in the process of losing it. My vet wants to check her in 10 days. My concern is why she developed fluid when everything looked so great when we bred her and what are my chances of trying again and not developing fluid. I read the article on Oxytocin and would put her on that schedule when we try again. My vet is a general vet that is sucessful but not really a specialist on Repro problem mares. Prior to breeding, my mare looked great tone etc. Any recommendations on someone in So. CA to use for an A.I. vet?

This mare has never been an easy breeder with A.I. One year she was at a Specialist Repro hospital and came home blistered on the Vula and swimming in fluid. They said they flushed her with an antibiotic to help her "take". Not going back to that place! I tried the following year and bred her live cover and she took the first try. There are very few owners that will breed live cover in my breed so sadly A.I. is my only option with her. Since my mare had fluid I suspect she may have an infection that may have to be dealt with prior to trying again this year?? Everything I read deals with fluid early on not day 20. Thank you for any comments you have on this!
dd
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1596
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Donna, hopefully Jos will chime in but one year I bred my mare and had fluid at 18 days, the vet at the time put my mare on Regumate trying to maintain the pregnancy, which we did, took her off at 150 days, she carried full term and delivered a full term foal at 365 days that presented with a red bad delivery and a dead foal. After that she was cultured/cystology done and she had an infection. With a repo vet at the helm we decided to clean her up and get a nice and clean enviroment, AI'd her, and treated with the Oxytocin Protocol, which helped her clearance issues, performed a Caslick and I had a healthy filly. My breed is Paso Fino....Hope that you are able to get your mare cleaned up. I beieve we maintained a pregnancy that nature would have terminated and the infection was there the whole time :-(
 

Donna Daily
Neonate
Username: Missy

Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jan,
Thank you for the info! I asked my vet about Regumate but he said no. I am a bit encouraged that you had fluid and still maintained the pregnancy. This mare has had 2 foals by A.I. and one foal live cover. I am surprised by the fluid as this is not normally a problem for her only once in the past when she was at a breeding clinic specializing in breeding. My mare is now 10 years old and in great condition.
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1918
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please do not start a new topic in an unrelated subject thread - it will often get missed and there will be no reply from me or others...!

How much is "swimming in fluid"? Fluid is never good (unless of course it's fluid associated specifically with the pregnancy!), so your vet is quite possibly correct in his summation that loss is imminent. Regumate would be contra-indicated in this situation as it suppresses the uterine ability to absorb fluid and would therefore be more likely to result in a greater risk of loss (there will always be exceptions to this such as Jan's apparently, but if you stay with the majority, you will be better off on the whole).

Is the fluid clear (it will show black on the ultrasound)? If so it is probably sterile, and not a major cause for concern as far as pathogenic presence. If cloudy, there may be a pathogen present, which will require checking prior to rebreeding. If clear (black) use of the full oxytocin protocol would probably be warranted. You do not indicate the age of the mare, but her reproductive history is suggestive of a delayed uterine clearance issue (which would be supported by the fluid presence), so a single dose of oxytocin post-breeding was probably inadequate in maintaining uterine clearance.

Scalding of the vulva post-lavage suggests use of non-buffered gentamycin, which would result in a tremendous uterine inflammatory response.

AI should give you a better chance of pregnancy than live cover if the management is correct.
 

Donna Daily
Neonate
Username: Missy

Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos,
The mare is 10 years old and the ultra sound showed grey all over the screen with the embryo behind the grey which I assume means she has an infection. Is there a chance she could hold the PG with this cloudy fluid? My vet is just waiting and watching.
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1921
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Assuming that the grey that is being seen is liquid in the uterus, that is indicative of purulent material - pus. Take a look at the embryonic images in that article (follow the link) to see what an ultrasound should look like.
 

Lola Sims
Neonate
Username: Queenbee42

Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just bought a mare, 17 years old, she was examined by vet, given a clean test which was sent to the stallion owner, she was given progestin and had a follicle of 35, was given deslorelin and taken to the stallion that same day. Now the next day after being live covered, she has fluid on the uterus. Today, she was given estramate and oxytocin to clear the fluid.
I am confused as to what is going on. All my mares have taken on the first cover so don't understand the fluid, estramate and oxytocin regime. Have to probably take her back for double cover Wednesday. Any explanation would help clear my mind. BTW: the stallion owner said that she would probably need to be stitched since she was sucking air. THanks
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1988
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Take a look at the oxytocin article on this site - it will explain the condition "delayed uterine clearance" that your mare appears to have (follow that link).

n.b. The fewer times you cover this mare on the cycle, the better your chances of conception. Aim for ovulation!
 

Natalie Angstadt
Neonate
Username: Natalienicotra

Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello. I'd like to share my experience this breeding cycle, with uterine fluid. Here's how it's gone so far. This all began the last week in March. It is worth noting this is an 18yo Arabian mare. She has one colt on the ground, foaled when she was 16. She has no cysts and great tone. All cytologies and cultures have been clean.

First 2 cycles, the semen was less than 10% by the time we got it. There was indication of present fluid pre-breeding, but mare seemed to have cleared on her own. The 3rd cycle, the vet missed. [insert new vet and different stallion]. The 4th cycle she was retaining fluid and
didnt settle. She was being flushed post-ovulation and put on the oxytocin regiment. Again, the 5th cycle, even after flushing did not settle. Cervix was showing abnormally tight during full standing heat - about 1 index finger.

We just finished our 6th attempt. This time, we did things a little differently. I hit the internet, searching on what we could do to get that cervix to dilate. I found articles about the use of misoprostol (prostaglandin E) to dilate the cervix. After consulting with a theriogenologist at Texas A&M, he was onboard to give this a try.

By time Friday came around (7/19), day 20 of her cycle, she had about 4cm of fluid. Her cervix was tight. He started by flushing her and giving her oxytocin. He also applied the misoprostol directly on the cervix. Oxytocin was given again four hours later.

Saturday we ultrasounded her in the AM as our semen had arrived. No fluid. We bred her and she had a better opened cervix. 4 1/2 hours later, we flushed, applied misoprostol, and gave oxytocin. Again, oxytocin was given later on as well along with an ultrasound. No fluid.

Sunday AM mare had not ovulated. Was bred 2nd dose and same flush/misoprostol/oxytocin regiment applied. Sunday evening, no fluid.

Monday AM check and mare is progressing through ovulation. I cant recall the fluid status. Went to pick her up in the evening and a little fluid was there. Given oxytocin. Cervix tightening up. Saw the mare urinate and then pass more fluid. Mare was hauled home with her son, a stallion, and continued to squeeze out fluid.

Now, we wait. I do hope that she has cleared out everything and that cervix closes down and nothing else gets in or produced. I've elected to put her on, yes here it comes, Regumate beginning PM of day 3. She was on it first 45 days per vet findings back in 2006. I have so much time and money invested in this breeding season, I'm pretty much numb to the Regumate costs. Also, I have to feel like I have tried everything I can to make this happen.

We go back in 2 weeks for a check.

Natalie
 

Marilyn Lemke - Asia born 7-11-08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1697
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Natalie, you've been through the gammit, haven't you. I think you're on the right track. These mares can be frustrating, but the end result is a precious foal. Good luck with this breeding, I hope she takes for you this time. Please keep us informed, I am very interested to see if this new technique is going to work for her.

Again, I wish you luck, you deserve it after all the frustration and hard work.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1824
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Natalia~Hang in there. Sometimes these older mares do have clearance issues. Hopefully the protocol you used worked, sounds like you have the right people helping you out. Fingers and toes crossed hoping for a pregnancy! Jan
 

Natalie Angstadt
Neonate
Username: Natalienicotra

Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Marilyn and Jan. I was trying to get an early foal as my intentions are for Arabian racing stock. Right now, I would like ANY foal. This mare and I have been together since she was 3. I have her colt whom I almost lost to colic last year (twisted small intestine and performed surgery) and just last week he went Arabian Region 9 Sport Horse in Hand Grand Champion stallion. I will go through thick and thin to do right by my animals. If its not to be, then this is our last attempt.
 

Laurie A Beltran
Breeding Stock
Username: Prophecy_ranch

Post Number: 311
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Natalie,
You have a drive that will help you achieve your dream. Don't stop. I too have a 22 year old arabian mare she gave me a filly 2 months ago.

Spring has been with me for 20 years...I would go to the ends of earth for her. What she has given me can never be paid!!

Sending good vibes....
 

Natalie Angstadt
Neonate
Username: Natalienicotra

Post Number: 5
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, keep those fingers crossed. Looked like our protocol worked!

We checked the mare last night...as per my calculations it would be about day 15. However, the embryo was more a day 12/13 size. It was still rolling around in there. So, where I counted Tuesday as day one (she was found to actually be ovulating on Monday's check) it looks like the fertilization occured some time after that. Now how about that semen!

We're going back on Saturday for another ultrasound. Hopefully we'll see a larger embryo indicitive of a 16 day embryo.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1838
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Natalie~Fingers Crossed, Toes Crossed, Legs Crossed.....Sounds very promising indeed...I know how bad you would like a foal from her! Sending you pregnant vibes!
 

Natalie Angstadt
Neonate
Username: Natalienicotra

Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, bad news after yesterdays check. What we saw was the same size as we say tuesday...and still moving around. We'll go EED on this one. I stopped the Regumate last night so she should be cycling again soon. We'll possibly try again in the fall.

Now, to learn and understand EED.



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