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Jos and All My Friends out Here - Am I being a Ninny?

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Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 230
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay, let me just say first that I am horrid to deal with when it comes to my "children". Okay, I know this about myself. That being said....

I decided to "play the breeding game again this year". (Took a couple of years off because my nerves just usually get totally "shot). Anywho....

I have two Quarter Horse mares that I shipped to Gumz Farms (Morganfield, KY) on April 7 to be bred. AI (Huntin For Chocolate).

BACKGROUND
Both mares had been left open in 2006 and 2007, so they are dry. Both mares had breeding soundness exams prior to shipping --- passed w/flying colors. Both mares are up-to-date on shots, worming, hoof care, etc. Both were in good body condition, probably about a 5 and/or 6 on the "scale" (Texas A&M). Both mares were shipped up to me (in South Carolina) from Florida (Ocala area) when I purchased them in late November, 2007. They did not have winter coats and "grew" them literally in December ---- I'm wondering about a "delayed" spring for these girls. One mare was shedding well when we shipped her and one mare had not yet turned loose of her hair.

Mare #1 - 10 years old. Last foal in 2006. Body condition was about a 5 had not started shedding her late winter coat. Bred on 4/14 and 4/16. Had her scheduled for an ultrasound on 5/1, BUT she came back in heat and they re-bred her on 4/28. Now just waiting.

Mare #2 - 9 years old. Last foal in 2006. Body condition was about a 6 and this mare had started shedding. She was "showing" like to anything and everything that would notice her on 4/7 when we shipped her. They bred her on 4/11, 4/14, and 4/16. Did ultrasound on her yesterday (5/1) and she is open. UGH!

Okay so I am dejected and pitiful today and wondering if these mares have a problem. This is a really reputable breeding farm and they are highly thought of. Have a staff vet and so I am certain that they will try diligently to get my mares into foal. i.e., I don't think they are "slack" or anything.

I have sent an email to the office manager and have asked her to update me on my mares (i.e., any problems, are they trying hormone therapy, etc.) Waiting to hear back.

Am I just being a "Nervous Nellie?" I can be REALLY bad and thus I am "venting" a bit out here because I don't want to "alienate" these people. My husband says I need to just calm down, the mares have only been up there 3 weeks. Maybe I should just start my mint juleps early and calm down?

Jos, is there something specific I need to inquire about with the breeding manager --- i.e., ask them if they are doing Regumate, etc.?
Am I just "jumping the gun" and wanting too much too soon?
Thank you in advance.


(Message edited by cateowen on May 02, 2008)
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1295
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know your asking Jos, but I thought I'd give my two cents in, I hope you don't mind.

You've done a great job making sure both mares are clean and ready for breeding. I wouldn't be concerned until afer the second try. The odds are not the best to get preggo the first time around. I'll bet they'll both be pregnant the second time around. They're going to be more relaxed this next time since they've been there for a while now and probably not nervous like they may have been the first time being bred. I'll say a prayer for your two mares. I know how you feel. I've been there myself last year.

I'm sending both my mares to Michigan in a few weeks to get bred at a equine reproductive specialist. I pray they take the first time, but I'm not expecting that to happen. If they're pregnant the second time around, I'll be estatic!

Good luck Catherine, I'm happy you decided to join us. Good luck to you, your mares are in good hands.

Marilyn
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 232
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn, Thank you. I love that you gave me your "two cents". I am feeling blue and dejected, etc. I think sometimes I expect too much too soon and then I get "crushed".
 

Bobbi Govro
Breeding Stock
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 381
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine: Hey buddy! I agree...don't fret about the first time not being successful. This is such a stress for these mares to get shipped off to someplace new in a whole different environmental change much less the change in their caregiver (who are these humans and what am I doing here syndrome).

My TB mare doesn't always take the first time around. My paint mare and my QH mare take like its super glue.

We're going to use the lamaz method with you Catherine...hahahaha...Breathe In, Breathe Out, Breathe In, Breathe Out.

You're a great horse person...you're doing fine...relax and enjoy yourself! Give your mares the chance to relax and I'm sure you will end up with two successful pregnancies!
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 233
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay, update from Gumz Farms. Apparently Mare #1 has just basically stayed in heat from April 12 on. Something about they have had a couple of good follicles, etc. but she won't go out of heat. They are doing progestrone therapy on this one.

Mare #2 suprised them (as she did me). Apparently everything went absolutely textbook with her (i.e., last heat cycle, breeding, went out of heat, etc.) and just no embryo on the ultrasound yesterday. This mare seems to cycle regularly and it appears she is "back in" today.

Neither mare has any apparent issues, i.e., "tumors", infections (both have been cultured). Aaarrrggghhhh.....
 

Diana Gilger
Breeding Stock
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 352
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

um....I'm gonna have to go with "yes"....Yes, you are being a ninny. LOL! We love you Catherine, we're your friends, if you can't get help here, get help somewhere.....just kidding, seriously though, give it some time. Sounds like a great farm she's at, and they want your mares bred as badly as you do. It'll be fine, just be patient....
 

Samantha
Breeding Stock
Username: Dressage_diva333

Post Number: 121
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, I am dealing with the same thing right now. I've got a Thoroughbred who was bred at a really good time, didnt catch, rebred two days ago. A 9 year old maiden Trakehner that really does not want to get pregnant, we have now bred her 8 times, with no sucess. Clean biopsy, uterus looks fine. And another mare who had a foal in 2007, she was a perfect easy breeder last time, didnt catch. I think they just like to get our nerves up, and drive us out of our minds (and drive us out of our houses with all their vet bills!)!
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1884
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sounds like mare #1 is transitional; and mare #2 is statistically normal. Average # of cycles required to obtain pregnancy = ~1.4

Take a deep breath...

And what is all that about Regumate????? Read the article... (follow the link).
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 1228
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, It's ok to be anxious but like Jos said..it's normal :-) I'll keep my fingers crossed that they get preggo this cycle.
 

Phyllis Schroder
Yearling
Username: Shadowbend

Post Number: 71
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hang in there, relax and have a mint julip for me to
Next thing you know they'll be calling to let you know they're both pregnant.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1297
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amy Gumz has a farm (in Indiana)only a few miles from me and it's a very nice place. I was curious what her Kentucky farm looks like, so I went on the website. I checked out her stallions and saw Hunting for Chocolate and "WOW" what a fantastic stallion!!! You should have some "WOW" foals out of your mares. He is gorgeous to say the least!!! Very striking!!! I can't wait to see your babies out of him.
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 237
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jos, thanks. I read the article about Regumate and found it helpful. Mare #1 has been somewhat "whacked out" anyway from the day I bought her. She has some other odd behavorial things that point to hormone imbalance, even before we started trying to breed her. Her previous owner(s) have NOT been real forthcoming with info about her and we have had to sort of "get to know" her as we "go along". We even wondered about Cushings Disease with her at one point. I do know that her progestrone levels have been tested low on several days in a row.

I think I am just wanting too much too soon and was hoping to be "lucky" with Mare #2.

I will take a very deep breath and drink a few alcoholic beverages and just work on being patient. We have until July 1 to get them in foal (stallion goes back to Texas then). Gumz Farms is very good at what they do and I will listen closely to them as well as Jos. Jos this is the greatest website out there and I can't thank you enough for all your advice. I have learned a lot since joining.

Marilyn, yes Gumz Farms is really super and Amy Gumz is one of the best (in AQHA breeding anyway). Their Kentucky facility got going due to the Kentucky Incentive Fund program that has recently become the "rage" in AQHA. Link to their web page is www.gumzfarms.com

Huntin for Chocolate? Well, what can I say. I fell in love with him back at the Congress years ago when he won the Western Riding. He has really started to prove himself as a top AQHA sire. He is just so "different" (different croup, etc.) and crosses really well with all these "Zippo" mares that have gotten to be so predominate in the pleasure horse industry. Even though he is Zippo Pine Bar on the top, his bottom is TB and those good ole ranch mares from the King Ranch.

Okay, so I am going to calm down and wait --- which I don't do well.

If anyone wants to follow along with me on this endeavor, the link to the "Mare Progress Page" is http://www.gumzfarms.com/MareStats/marestats.html

My mares are #225 (Mare #1 - Missy) and #226 (Mare #2 - Sarah).
The mare progress page is a really neat tool and saves having to call/email, etc. ALL the time.
 

Terry Waechter maravilla and her posse
Breeding Stock
Username: Watchman

Post Number: 258
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am breeding seven mares this spring...2 caught first try, 3rd mare caught first time with twins, pinched one and waiting to see if one left held, 4th has been bred second time, waiting for 15 day u/s, 5th mare is on 3rd breeding and double ovulated, 6 and 7 going to vet this week for first try. So you see it takes luck to get first try success and holding it for 45 days....that is when I relax...good luck to all.
 

Bobbi Govro
Breeding Stock
Username: Hh_farms

Post Number: 383
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine: My TB mare has had "confusing" cycles her whole life. She acts like she's in heat even when she isn't. She was "standing & urinating" like a heat cycle 5 days before she foaled this year. My vet and I thought that a pregnancy might finally calm her down. Hahahahaha....NOT! Despite this ongoing issue, she breeds and takes (holds) just fine.
 

Catherine Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 308
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OKAY! I AM DOING THE "SNOOPY HAPPY DANCE" THIS MORNING.

Mare #1 (who was looking to be the "problem" child) WAS PREGNANT on the 14-day ultrasound yesterday!!!!!!! (From the 4/28 breeding that I didn't have a lot of "faith" in)
HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY ---- JOY, JOY, JOY!!!!!!!
Now I will hold my breath, cross my fingers and toes until the "heartbeat" ultrasound at the end of the month.

Mare #2 is still on tract from a 05/05 breeding and they will do the first ultrasound on her like the first of next week sometime (I think, I have really tried to stay off of these good people's back as much as possible, because I know myself and I can be impossible sometimes. I have just left these nice ladys at Gumz Farms alone because they really know what they are doing).
 

wanda
Yearling
Username: Wanda

Post Number: 94
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yaaaahhhhoooo.... Glad to hear the GREAT news!!!

Man...now I am gonna have to wait 11 months with you to find out what they have...the wait kills me...LOL

Now if after the heartbeat ultra sound and it comes back good...when will your mares get to come home?? You said they were in KY..right?

I wish great health to your mares and that these pregnancies stick and end up being fast and easy!!
To think 2 wks ago I didn't even know how long mares were pregnant, I didn't know any signs to watch for before delivery..what to watch for after birth...it gives me the itch ...but I don;t think my nerves could handle it...LOL and I don't think my husband would survive 11 months of mare pregnancy with me ...he did good to survive my pregancies!! LOL
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1598
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DOING THE HAPPY DANCE!!! That is great news Catherine. I am very happy for you. I have everything crossed that Mare #2 took and there is a little heartbeat for #1. Great News!
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1354
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yippppeeee!!! What great news!!!! Congratulations, that's huge!!! Let us know what happens with mare #2
 

Samantha
Breeding Stock
Username: Dressage_diva333

Post Number: 148
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHOOO HOOO!!!! YAY CATHERINE!!!

Congrats! I am keeping my figers crossed for your other mare too!



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