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Collection problems

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Anonymous
Posted From: 66.138.39.225
Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We started our 10 yr old stallion on a breeding phantom this year with great success until recently. The last 7-8 collections he hasn't wanted to thrust. He will mount the phantom and dance around on his hind feet for several seconds and dismount. Sometimes he does thrust but only 3-4 times, does not ejaculate and dismounts. Help please!
 

Jos
Posted From: 137.186.22.9
Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you using one of the breeding mounts with the built-in AV? This is one of the drawbacks with those models - if the stallion won't thrust, then there is really nothing that can be done. About 80% of people that we see with those mounts don't use the built-in AV!

How warm is the water in your AV? If it is too cool, that can dissuade thrusting - try making sure the stabilized internal temperature is between 45-54° Celsius (113-130° F), with it tending towards the hotter end. That can often elicit a better thrusting response.

Try moving the AV while collecting (this is not possible with the built-in AV, so block the opening to the mount, and hold the AV off to one side, deflecting the penis into it manually). You can try a sudden single "thrust" back, or you can try more of a "wiggling" motion - see what your stallion likes best.
 

Anonymous
Posted From: 66.138.39.225
Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I read through all the other postings so this weekend we tried tighter/and hotter. Not sure which one worked but he did his thing like clock work. Thanks for the info this site has been a tremendous help.
 

lisa
Neonate
Username: Rafter_l

Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We are having some difficulty collecting our stallion. The liners seem to be splitting. He needs the Av temp pretty warm (60-65 C going in) and it seems as though it softens the plastic on the disposable liners. We have a missouri av, then purchased a french av thinking that it was the instablility of the AV causing the tearing. We've tried various liners, but they seem to have the same outcome. We got a couple liners that a friend had, they were heavy clear plastic and they did not tear and we got our collection easily! However,murphy's law, they don't know where they purchased them. Please Help!!
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10726
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Minitube sell a plastic liner that is on a roll. We have found that it works well, as it is soft and yet tough. It is also unfortunately quite expensive to buy the roll, but it will last for a long time as there is a lot on it, and actually works out cheaper in the long run that most if not all other disposable liners.

If you follow the link above, it will take you to their contact information for your country and you can then order it from them. If you're in the USA, say "hi" to the people at the order desk for us! :-)
 

Heather Cooke
Neonate
Username: 2manyponies

Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Had the same problem with the liner spliting, we would use 2 liners. Then we figured out that with a little extra care, making sure there was not a twist in the liner solved the problem. No matter what kind of liner we use we had no splitting problems. Once we ran out of liners and had to use a sterile sleeve, it worked.
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10741
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Certain brands of liner - typically those with a heat-welded seam at the side - tend to be more prone to splitting even if there are no twists (checking for liner twists should be a part of the routine of setting up all AV's). This is made more likely with a stallion that is "thrusty".
 

lisa
Neonate
Username: Rafter_l

Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks!
Jos, what size liners from minitube do you recommend? 20mm or 30mm?
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10767
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Contrary to what their catalogue says, they only have one product. Talk to one of the sales reps by phone - they will be able to tell you which width it is. Mine is 215 mm in width (I think you meant cm's not mm's :-)).



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