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"Weaning" an old stallion from the phantom, teaching ground collection

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Karen (216.64.203.139)
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2001 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have an old, arthritic stallion - the vet just recommended not using the phantom for collection any longer (arthritic hocks) and to teach the old horse ground collection instead. Earlier this year, we DID try ground collecting him via manual stimulation (as per Jos's direction), but the old boy wanted no part of it. I think that he may adjust more readily to ground collecting into an AV, however. So we're going to give it a try.

I know that this has been discussed before on this site, but I couldn't readily find the information I was looking for, so I'll ask some specific questions.

1. What kind of AV should I use? My current one fits into the "self-service" phantom and weighs about 25 pounds filled. I'm strong, but I don't know if I'm strong enough to manage using it for ground collection. It's also rather large and unweildy (big plastic PVC-ish outer case, about two feet long, filled with H2O, etc). So I'm sure that there are smaller, lighter AVs that I could chose from, but I'm not sure where to begin.

2. I assume that it would be best to use the same teasing routine I normally use - then when the stallion is erect, "apply" the AV to his penis. Then what do I do? Do I just hold it steady and let him do the work? How long is his "learning period" likely to be?

3. Is there a link on this site which specifically covers this process start to finish? I seem to recall seeing one at some point, but don't seem able to find it quickly.

Thanks for any help - I appreciate it (and so will my stallion, I assume, in the long run, ha, ha).
 

Vicki Gaudreau (12.89.172.143)
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been using live cover (none of my guys have ever even seen a dummy) & am just teaching them to be collected from the ground so I can't really help as far as the transition but here are the links to the articles.

A Modification of the Crump Manual Semen Collection Method,as Used by New Bolton Center (U Pa)
By Jos Mottershead
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/manual.htm

Stallion Ejaculation Induced by Manual Stimulation of the Penis
by Jim Crump, Jr. and Julia Crump
http://catalog.com/hopkins/text/AILabratories.html
 

Anonymous
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://haystackhill.com/collectingsemen.html



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