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Live cover breeding hits snafus

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julie
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, I stand a stallion that I have been breeding for 12 years. He's now 15. We have live cover bred mares for all this time without a problem until last season. He is now suffering from what, for lack of a better term, I'll call premature ejaculation. His penis bells (flares) out before he enters the mare. He is, hmmm, how shall I say it.... very well endowed.
THere are sometimes dribbles before entry, but I dont' think it's significant. My concern is for the mares. Starting last year, we have had a rash of cervical and vaginal tears, some mild, some serious. At the first sign of blood (usually at dismount), we call in the vet and stop breeding for at least that cycle. The added expenses, stress and delays are horrible.
I have found that if I tease with a non-cycling mare a few moments before breeding the cycling mare, it slows the process down. However, the flaring can happen in 3-4 seconds, and has happened between the mount and the entry, especially on the livelier mares.
He's easy to handle, and tends towards agressive with breeding, not shy at all. I can generally pull him away, but not when he's already mounted the mare. We're using KY jelly by the gobs.
I'm considering pasture breeding and AI, but would like to hear any and all suggestions. Thank you,
 

Jos
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a difficult and frustrating problem for all concerned!

I'm sure you've tried this, but try changing his routine so he doesn't necessarily know he's being taken out to breed until you actually put a mare under his nose. Don't use him to tease - just straight to the mare and breed - and in a different location each time!

Without doubt though the easiest solution would be to use AI. You won't necessarily have to train him to use a breeding phantom - you can simply collect off the mare you're breeding and then inseminate her.

Good luck!
 

Horse Pro
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have had good luck in these instances using a breeding roll. It certainly will help prevent over penetration and usually serves to slow the horse enough that flaring does not occur as quickly. It don´t have the same effect on every stallion but it does work on the majority. However as Jos says the obvious total solution would be to collect and inseminate from this horse.

HP
 

Anonymous
Posted From: 207.218.234.132
Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What the heck is a "breeding roll"? What does it look like? ...and it's function?
 

Kristin
Posted From: 68.105.225.13
Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A breeding roll is used to prevent the stallion from getting to close to the mare and thrusting too hard or too far into the mare. It can prevent damage to the mare's reproductive tract. Good if you stud is well endowed, or breeding a shorter mare. It can be as simple as a broom handle with a few cotton wraps taped around it....something padded to act as a "Spacer" of sorts, between the mare and stud
 

Anonymous
Posted From: 207.218.218.97
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Kristin -understood, but where do you place it? ...across the mare's butt, under the her tail, yet above her vulva???
 

kristin
Posted From: 68.105.225.13
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know, I've never used one, although I've had instances where I probably should have. I believe you would put it around the level of her hocks, to keep the stallion from getting right up next to her....but I honestly don't know. I usually just let my mares inch forward if he gets in too close...sorry I can't be of more help!
 

Jos
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A breeding roll is essentially a padded stick which is placed between the stallion and the mare, but above the penis (i.e. between the penis and the belly) to dissuade the stallion from moving up too far on the mare and thereby reducing depth of penetration. It can be a fancy purchased one (see photo below, which is leather with an oak handle and can be bought here for $129.00) or it can be something as simple as a broken broom handle with a roll of paper towel duct-taped to it. Either will probably be as effective.

breeding roll
 

Anonymous
Posted From: 207.218.217.122
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok, makes sense --thanks for the pics.



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