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Is it okay to buy and breed HYPP N/H

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Dee
Weanling
Username: Dee

Post Number: 47
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was woundering if it is okay to buy and breed HYPP N/H mares or stallions if you don't breed another HYPP N/H mare or stallion together. I see that alot of people do and they are okay but, I just wanted to know for sure.
Thanks
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 223
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boy Dee, sure are opening a big can of worms!
The HYPP issue is a massive area of controversy...
Whether or not you breed HYPP positive horses or not is a matter of personal preference. In the near future, there are registration restrictions (AQHA, and other registries may follow) that pertain to these horses....and certain ones will not be allowed into the registry. Forgive me, but I don't remember the exact specs of the details, but I'm sure that others in the forum will know.
I know folks who have and breed horses who have HYPP. They are willing to work around the horses who have attacks...and have horses that remain unsymptomatic.
I, personally, am not affected because I don't breed specifically for those lines.
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 619
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dee,
If you have not purchased a hypp n/h horse, I personally would not--not for breeding or showing purposes. In the near future it will not be permitted to register h/h horses and I believe it is expected to not allow n/h either(i don't remember what aqha has passed or is working on). APHA is expected to follow as well-the last I spoke with a board member they told me it was on the adgenda for the spring meeting. If you are wanting to own a impressive bred horse, make sure it tests n/n unless you are wanting it just for personal use and no breeding or showing. The papers of this genetic line will be marked with test results(aqha currently offers the test for free-if aqha registered)so that every potential owner knows and soon to follow with apha(hopefully if passed).
The associations are looking to get this disease omitted from the lines and the only way to do that is not to breed anything that tests with any sort of carrier.

Jan/2007 any testing h/h will not be permitted to be registered----- couldn't find anything on n/h horses ?? Don't know if thats been passed yet ?
 

Dee
Weanling
Username: Dee

Post Number: 48
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks becuase I was looking at a horse that is HYPP N/H I now know not to buy her. Thanks!
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 621
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dee,
Please make sure you consider your situation. Take the information and learn all you can. Those were just my personal feelings and how we would do things here. I could not find anything on n/h horses at this time in the associations. Most will not consider to breed even a n/h horse. Unless they are one of those that have this genitic line with the problem and don't know how to get out of it without a huge impact on their breeding/showing business without it affecting them finanicially.

I do own a great, great, great, grandson of impressive. I could not resist. He has some fantastic breeding in him which includes coosa, zip to hustle, song of leo, pretty coosamatic,and jeteletto, and the list goes on! I made sure though that he tested n/n . They are some fantastic minds and talent in many of these animals.

Good luck
Make wise choices
Kim
 

Dee
Yearling
Username: Dee

Post Number: 51
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well I was not sure what to do becuase the only thing wrong with her is that she tested HYPP N/H. She has a very good pedigree and has the temperment of a puppy.
Should I still buy her?
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 224
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dee,
If you purchase her, you need to know that everytime you breed her you run the risk of passing the HYPP.
She has a 50% chance of passing the gene, even if bred to a negative stallion. She could pass it on to every foal, or no foals, but each time it's 50/50 chance.
HYPP is considered a genetic defect...same as parrot mouth, some leg deformities, dysplasias, etc.
As I said prior, the breeding or not to breed HYPP positive horses is a personal one. Those who do so, do it with the knowledge and acceptance of the disease and its' process. Some horses are symptomatic, and some are not.
I have seen a HYPP drop attack....so, no I've had my fill..
Your best bet is to consult your vet and get some really good information and education regarding HYPP prior to purchase...this way, you can make the best, informed decision that you can be comfortable with :-).
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 622
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dee, I can not tell you to buy her or not too, that is something you have make the decision on. I tried as well as Heather to offer you information on hypp. Now you must read and do some digging and decide what you are willing to deal with. Positive/positive horses will not be allowed in the registry (aqha) as of 2007 as I stated. So you must look at what you would intend on doing with the mare. If she is just for pleasure/personal use and no breeding ? or do you want to breed her? I would consider contacting aqha(if that is what she is registered) to see what bylaws are in the works regarding hypp and results that are n/h . That may help make your final decision.

Good luck with your decision
 

Dee
Yearling
Username: Dee

Post Number: 54
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks I pretty sure Im not going to buy her after reading some on HYPP Im just not sure Im ready to handle the care that it takes for HYPP Positives.

I do have one more question on this!
HYPP N/N do not have any chance of passing HYPP on right?
 

Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 623
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Correct! N/N = no chance of passing on hypp. So if you are looking for the impressive lines then make certian that their test results come back N/N. If a owner is not wanting to do the test, runs about 25-50 us dollars (mine ran me 35.00) then either don't buy it or ask if you can run the test yourself and pay for it out of your own pocket. Its well worth it. Aqha will mark everyones papers, If a mare and stallion are both N/N then the offspring will get automatic N/N on their papers, it there is one that tests positive then the foal must be tested. Good thing is that you can still get this fantastic line with N/N results. Word of caution on buying unregistered horses , this is going to pop up more and more as people will sell a "unregistered" horse that may have tested positive under a registration. Papers come up missing and sell the horse unregistered.

Good luck in your search , I hope that you find what you want, Like I have said there are still great horses from this line that are N/N.
 

Dee
Yearling
Username: Dee

Post Number: 56
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Im sure Im just going to go N/N it saves a lot of pain in the end. Im sure of that now!



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