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Predicting sex by how a mare carries

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Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thought this might be cute, since there are so many folks waiting for their mares to foal, anyone ever find that mares carry lower for a colt and higher for a filly? or visa versa?
 

Joanna
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Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had four mares that I tried this theory on last spring. Three mares were carrying high and wide, so I guessed filly. The one that was carrying low, I guessed was a colt. All four mares had what I predicted, three fillies and one colt.
I thought that it was very interesting, so I am trying again this year to see what happens. Right now I'm thinking two colts and two fillies, but it is kind of early since they are only seven months along. I will probably change this later in the pregnancies, but we shall see.
Anyway, it is a fun way to spend the months of waiting!
Joanna
 

Kim v.
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Posted on Sunday, December 25, 2005 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For the record, mine carried high and had a colt! A very large 368 day colt......don't know where he was hiding, but she never hung low until he dropped into position.
 

Terri Berwanger
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Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare looked pretty much the same when she was carrying her colt and her filly, but her personality was diffrent with both. The first year she had a filly and she was very lovey dovey, last year she had a colt and she was a nightmare mostly. Very pushy and obnoxious. This year she is back to lovey dovey and after doing the nail test, I'm thinking she's having a filly. Will know beg of March.
teb
 

Gynna Meiller
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Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard that if they carry in the right horn its a colt and the left a filly, so far I have predicted all my mares and a friends mares for the last three years and been right( only 7 horses though). I have a 2 yr old mustang mare that was given to us two months ago heavy prego! I am thinking a colt and many others think a filly as she is wide and high..we shall see..I also think that like people...if they catch at the end of their cycle it will be a girl and at the first part a boy...Its very interesting to hear about the different ways of telling..My older broodmares are very different from each other..one always looks like a hippo on toothpicks( this is her 7th foal and she is 12) and the other taller mare barely shows until the last few weeks. Her 6th foal and she is 14. Vet said that broodmares loose elacstisity (sp) in their abb muscles so they always seem to look prego..
 

Jos
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Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard that if they carry in the right horn its a colt and the left a filly

Not true! :-)

Interestingly though, the conceptus does fix in the opposite horn (regardless of sex! :-)) on successive pregnancies. Nature does some neat things huh?
 

Gynna Meiller
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Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Jos just take all the fun out of our ole wives tale stuff!!So, are you saying dear Jos that there is not a way to tell by looking at your mare what she is carring..come on now ..you need to tell us as you are the repo specialist dear!! You may not keep all the family secretes to yourself
 

Jos
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Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Of course there's a way to tell! You use ultrasound and fetal sex between about 60-90 days of pregnancy!

As you can see from the above posts, there really isn't a reliable determinator by looking at the mare herself and the way she is carrying...

Sorry!! :-(
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jos for bursting our fun bubble...giggle I am predicting that my maiden is carrying a filly and my older mare is carrying a colt. Maiden is high and wide and older mare is low and wide. I have been wrong in the past so who knows, I really want two fillies but we will see. With maidens I have seen almost all of them have carried high and wide...so its just wait and see time. Anyone else notice anything consistant about their mares which would lead them to believe they are carrying a certain sex foal?
 

Gynna Meiller
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have just read about the needle affect. place a needle on some thread and hold over the mares back about where the foal is and if it goes around in circles it a filly, if it goes in a paralell line with the mares back its a colt. Any one else heard of a way to tell that is NOT technical..Hey Jos..you dont ever think you know what a mare is carring by the way a mare looks? Or are you all techie?
 

Terri Berwanger
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Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually Gynna, we had a nail checking session on the board towards the end of the summer. It has myth in the title, but I forget what section. I am supposed to be having 1 filly and 2 colts. It was just a bit of fun really, obviously we all had too much time on out hands.
teb
 

Jos
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Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sometimes I'll guess at it, but I'm wrong about half of the time :-)... (Think about that... )
 

Deena
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Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now thats a thought
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sure it's a coin toss, but umm I may get my self in trouble here, but I find that woman (you know the ones with a uterus) just seem to have better intuitive powers to sense what a mare is carrying. Is that right girls?
 

E Watkins
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Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL, Jan, you could be correct. I'm a pretty good guesser on the sex. I have fun about this time of year predicting sex and color of the foals, I keep a little log book and write down my guesses and then check them later in the spring. It's fun, and I have to say, apparently I have better averages than JOS does. ;o) I'm batting about 75%..lol.
 

Kassie Finley
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Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One of our mares carried high and had a colt the other carried low and had a colt. so I am not good at the guessing thing lol.
 

E Watkins
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Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kassie, it might not be your guessing skills at all, it's just that the methods aren't really reliable. It's still fun to speculate though, we have 14 babies due between March and April. ( I need to be getting busy putting down my predictions ) As we have a lot of colored mares and one of the studs we used was a red roan, I may have a harder time being accurate this year! One that threw me this spring was a palomino filly we had bred to our gray stud. She was out of a black mare and a gray stud ( the palomino ) and the sire of the foal was gray out of a grey and chestnut. She had the prettiest BLACK filly you ever saw, and she is showing NO sign of turning gray. As we'll keep her for a future broodmare, I'll get to see if she grays eventually, but for now she's showing not a stitch of white in her coat.
 

Gynna Meiller
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Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

E. Watkins, sounds like you got yourself a smokey black filly! Got the black base from the sire and a cream gene from the the mare. Make a keeper foal for sure!..
As for foal sex predictions..I am thinking that our mustang is having a colt, our QH mare a colt, paint mare a filly( and I hope I am wrong about the last two)
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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I am usually about 70 to 80% accurate except when it comes to maidens, then its a coin toss. Glad you gals agree, the uteruses win out on foal prediction. :-)
 

Lisa Weir
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Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

News on our nail testing...
I know I said I was going to stop doing it, but I kept at it for fun. And I had 75% accuracy. The interesting thing was a mare who came to us to foal down. She looked in foal and even had udder developement, but was looking like she'd go late and with her prospective new boyfriend moving to the USA for northern breeding, we decided to be sure. I swung the nail and it said she was empty. The vet looked at her and said she was sure to be in foal, but when he rectalled her.....nothing. So the nail beat all our expectations on that one...lol.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Witchy!
 

Kris Moos
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E. Watkins:
Heres one for you, I am not good at predicting foal color, you can try on this one...chestnut arab mare (for history purposes: bred to a rose grey threw a chestnut, bred to a bay with no white threw a chestnut with flaxen almost white mane and tail), this time she is bred to a primitive marked dun QH...(I own a bay roan mare who foaled to him '05 and she had white buckskin primitive marked dun-roan (proven by dna test)what do you predict?
I am holding my own little prediction contest with my mare, I predict a chestnut(I have lost hope that she will give anything but) my vet thinks palomino, my daughter thinks dun,(wishful thinking on her part) my hubby says red dun or chestnut...
how about you?
 

Renee
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tried the nail test AND the high or wide test on my mare. Both said filly... I got a colt. BUT last year i went back through pregnancy pics of all my mares and the ones that had colts were carrying low, and the mare that foaled a filly was wide... so maybe it has some reliability.
 

Jan H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Was your mare a maiden Renee? I find that all of my maidens carry high and wide so my predictions seem to not work on my maidens, but gets better with the experienced mares (having at least one previous foal). Kris as far as foal color. I can't help you with that one. If it was with anything other than a dun I would have a better idea. sorry i can not help.
 

E Watkins
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kris, without knowing anything about your mares background, I'd guess you could get...a chestnut but depending on the stallions dun factor, you could get a red dun, either of those would be what I'd expect to see. Let me know what you get..lol. (this could be my 25% error ratio!)

Gynna, I do believe we could have a couple of smoky black horses actually. (both came from the same breeder who has a stud that produces a lot of horses that particular color) I'm having one of them tested to see if she carries the creme gene, her 1/2 sister out of the same dam does. This particular mare is in foal to a chestnut stud for a March baby. IF I should be lucky enough to get a palomino out of that cross, my HUBBY will just flip. ( he has 4 mares in foal to the same stud but all but one are red based..he's going to get sorrels and bays most likely!) From the looks of the shapes of the bellies in the barn, I'm thinking it's going to be a good year for fillies!
 

Kris Moos
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E. Watkins- just for reference, the mare is out of a flaxen chestnut and a bay, the stallion is out of a red dun and a black.

So your theory is low and wide=stud colt, I will be testing that with my mare because she is carrying much lower and wider than her previous two pregnancies that both resulted in fillies, however she is 10 years older now and she is carrying a QH arab this time instead of a full arab...we'll see....
below is a side profile photo of her just taken a couple days ago, she is approx 8 1/2 months.
[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/100_5289.jpg[/IMG]
 

Jan H (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Kris, if she were mine I would guess colt. be interesting to see if she falls into my 25 % wrong catagory LOL
 

Kris Moos
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thanks...we'll have to see...i am hoping for a colt, i have too many fillies and mares! only one gelding...he'd like a friend! I pulled out photos of her pregnancy the last time, she is by far bigger and wider and lower already than she was a week before foaling and the night before!
poor girl! she still has 2 1/2 months to go!
 

E Watkins
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kris, that looks pretty low to me, if I could see her from the front and back, I'd have a better guess (also having seeing the mares from one pregnancy to the next is helpful in "guessing") Based on that picture and your comment that she's carrying it differently than the others, I'd say you'll probably get a sorrel colt this year, if you are really lucky, you'll get a red dun colt! Good luck and keep me posted!
 

Kris Moos
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front view[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/3773c083.jpg[/IMG]
taken same day as side view.

i figure chestnut colt also, however red dun would be nice, the ultimate would be a buckskin or dun! (fathering stallion is a dun and previous 2 years bred to a couple chestnut mares gave 1 sorrel, 1 dun, 2 buckskins, and 1 bay (not sure where that came from) hes is also 50/50 on sex, although 2 years ago more colts, last year more fillies. hopefully this year is a colt year!
i will keep you posted.
i just discovered this site a few days ago...lovin it, I got drawn in by the whole Emma mare and then foal(i feel for her), and now i am addicted!
thanks
 

Heather Kutyba
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Goodness,
My mare didn't even look pregnant until her 9th month. She's a big bodied mare, a maiden, and kept that baby tucked high up inside.
I've been getting baby kicks since 7 months hard enough to make my mare squeal, therefore I'm guessing filly!
As far as color, she can only have Bay, Brown, or Black based on genetics....so we shall see.
 

E Watkins
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kris, gosh, with that shot she sure looks wide, this one could be a wild card..lol. I'm going to stick with my first instinct though. I'll say a sorrel colt. Be sure to post here when she foals so I can see if I'm WRONG, lol. I have to sit down and make a list of our mares soon with my predictions, our first foals will arrive in March, then we'll have 5 more due in April and 2 the first part of May. (the really exciting ones are due in March, we bred to a pretty nice stud and I'm excited to see what he'll produce ). I just can't stand waiting another 2 months for them to arrive!!!
 

Kris Moos
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

E WATKINS- isnt the waiting game terrible? but yet exciting? do you find mares that deliver larger foals go earlier? (earlier than the average 340)
boy you will have a stressful couple of months!

What kind of horses do you breed? what do you breed for?
I am mostly breeding to continue my mares bloodlines because she is so awesome, all the new riders who have never ridden before ride her... but i crossed her with quarter horse to build her thickness, hopefully a bit more height but hopefully keep the personality and refined head and beauty of the arabian! He is a 15.3 hand 95% foundation bred QH with performance lines, my mare is 100% egyptian arabian and bred for halter and pleasure, but she is a very long backed and necked arab and a bit taller than average (that is also why I am a bit concerned on foal size with her, because she is so long bodied she should not be so big and wide!)
I am just so excited...color is not a huge factor, however i ultimately trying for somethig other than a chestnut!
but like "they" say "YOU CANT RIDE A HORSES COLOR!...THERE IS NO BAD COLOR, ONLY BAD HORSES"
well we will have to keep each other posted as to progress on the ones due around the same time!
 

Kim Winter
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Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Only 2 months! I have until mid-may to wait and Im am getting very impatient to say the least!
Kris, mines a chestnut too and I bred her to a bay which, not deliberately, has had Bay prodegy foal after foal - heres hoping for a bay filly! Dont get me wrong, chestnuts nice, but change is good too... And I think a bay would look nicer in the dressage ring. I think I might be in for a shock with the sex though - shes very fat, and more so on the right hand side so sounds like a colt, but the nail test said its a homathradite (sp?) It went in circles AND up and down her spine!?!



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