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Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 327
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.glhorsetruth.com/index.html
http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=10132
plz look and really explore and read both of these sites. Although I would not keep my horses in this condition this doesnt seem right.
 

Kay Baxter
Weanling
Username: Kaykay

Post Number: 47
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

boy its hard to know what the right answer is. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle
 

JANE OLNEY
Breeding Stock
Username: Shotsnurse1

Post Number: 341
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would say that some horses would still look that way in Michigan if they had nice round bales all winter and good clean non frozen water. Some horses here need grain to help maintain their weight in the winter. It is an individual thing. With that many horses I can't see how an owner, who is not set up to give individualized care, can give good care.

My son has a friend who has horses in a muddy, hilly, wet lot all winter and summer. Her father has fields that he cuts for their hay and also to sell. I have felt bad for those horses for years. They all look great...my son's friend says that they keep the horses in the small gross lot so they can feed all of them the same diet all year...and know what they are eating.

If they were my horses, those hay fields would be pastures, and I think the herd would be much happier. BUT, I don't think his management technique is wrong.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 335
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ive put horses through many hard MT winters and it takes alot to keep them from being skinny moreless fat butterballs. I wouldnt have a problem with a reprimand for the conditions (the trash thrown about) but I think its gone way to far. I see horses here in AR that are kept in much worse conditions and nothing is ever said.
 

E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Ev_watkins

Post Number: 236
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have to say that we've had some yearlings that winter outside which get 8lbs of grain per day along with a round bale to eat at their leisure and they still don't look much better than that after a hard winter. It takes a lot of calories to keep them fat in a hard winter, while the conditions do not look ideal, I've seen MUCH worse at the local auction and would have loved to see the folks who hauled them in brought up on charges for neglect. (and I had an older mare many years ago that was kept out in pasture but had lost weight and believe it or not someone called and cried neglect because the horses weren't ever ridden? yikes.. sometimes busy bodies need to get a life is all I can say.
 

Tracy Smith
Neonate
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I personally wouldn't keep my horses that way either but I have seen a lot worse. I recently caught a horse running down the side of highway wearing a blanket in 75 degree weather. After I caught him and found where he came from (owner not there but neighbors helped me) I took off his blanket and you could literally count every bone in his body. He came out of a yard with chicken wire for fencing, no water, no grass or hay. On top of it all he was a stallion!! In with mares and it was breeding season so I'm sure that's why he broke the "fence". Anyway, called animal control and they investigated. Owner previously was reprimanded for a paint that was starving but they couldn't go on her property because there was a gate. Animal control said they would "leave a notice" So this person gets a slap on the hand for a literally starving horse; the rules need to be better but not overkill. I actually had someone call on me once because my horse wore a blanket all winter and they claimed I never took it off! Even animal control said it was absolutely crazy but they had to check.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 347
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree the rules need to be a little better but not overkill. The Billings Livestock auction usualy has animal control on the premises if not the brand inspector will detain the animal until animal control can get there and make a decision. However the animals have to be in terrible shape (count every bone near death). It also depends on the time of year in the middle of winter they are a lot more tolerant than they are the rest of the year.
I too have had them called on me when mine were fat fat some actually needed to loose a little weight. The reason being because I had no visible signs of hay. I did however have a shed full of range cubes pellets and grain, and a running feed bill at the local feed store. I still had to go infront of a judge really ridiculous even the judge laughed.
 

Jenny P
Breeding Stock
Username: Varda

Post Number: 274
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh dear Lord they wouldn't find hay in our barn. It's small so our hay is kept in a neighbors barn. You can get called on for that?!

Gads I may have to build a bigger barn
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 348
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was years ago but yes I was called on for not having any visible signs of hay. I had to pay court cost. Our horses were used for outfitting and we found it easier to manny feed sacks rather than hay bales is why we fed that way.. I think the only reason it was an issue at all is town had grown up around our place and not everyone was fond of that many horses in town.
 

E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Ev_watkins

Post Number: 238
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jenni- I bet you are right, someone just wanted you to get mad and move them. Lucky for us it went no further than the animal control folks driving by, they told the caller that it was not neglect to have a horse out on pasture and not being ridden..lol. ( could have been my former mother-in-law that called, she wanted the horses out of there..which she ended up achieving anyway in the long run )
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 377
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

E. dont ppl like that just agrivate the daylights out of you. Animal control didnt say anything at all realy. They looked at the feed in the shed & the horses said they looked good and to be in court on this day (about 3wks later) went to court and the judge asked the officer if the horses were visibly mallnurished he said no they were fat and the shed was full of feed. The judge looked at the running feed bill and said "have a good day". cost me 50 in court cost plus all morning so thwe juge could say have a good day
 

Tracy Smith
Nursing Foal
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There should be some way to make the person that called in the complaint pay for your court costs, I know there is no way to do this but so frustruating that money and time has to come out of your pocket for a false report. When the person called on me about my horse wearing a blanket animal control just asked me some questions and that was it. I know it was a neighbor that for some reason was not happy having the horses there (I no longer live there!)She probably would of called if my horse DIDN'T have a blanket. It makes me so mad because there are plenty of true animal abuse cases out there.
 

Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 382
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ugh ppl move into the rural parts of town or into the country then decide that they dont like living next to livestock. Why dont they move instead of making everyone elses life miserable. But then some ppl are just stupid to. I know a woman who called on her neighbors because in the middle of a Denver, CO winter the guys horses had a layer of ice and snow on them. animal control told her to do some research before she called next time. so sometimes they do ok and sometimes they are a pain. I think it depends alot on who is doing the calling to.
When it comes to ppl like your old neighbor they will call for no reason at all.



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