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Michelle Kutelis
Neonate
Username: Acheron
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 02:54 am: | 
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OK, here is the puzzle:
We bred my mare last year. July 5th and 8th. She was ultrasounded in foal at 21 days. I brought her home, we checked at 40 days, and the vet just palpated because he forgot his u/s. Said still pregnant but he didn't like the feel of the uterus, and put her on Regumate. I did, and had him back out at about 70 days- again, he forgot u/s and just palapated, said not pregnant.
Here we are this year, and the mare has a mild colic 3 weeks ago that lasts for 4 days.
No acute pain, just uncomfortable, not eating, still drinking. Passing stool the whole time. Vet said if it's so mild, not to worry unless she's in obvious pain or not passing stool. We gave her Banamine, and after 3 doses, she was feeling better and eating again.
She dropped weight during this, and you can see all her ribs, and major fat pad loss along her back and croup. (She's never been an easy keeper)As I'm feeding her back up slowly, I realize she's bigger bellied, with enlarged udders. Not full yet, but starting to engorge and squirting clear-ish fluid. NO heat, no chunky stuff. One side larger than the other. Her belly is more in her flank and 3/4 back along her
stomach, with most of the "weight" being on both sides up in her flank- not a rounded hay belly, and she is not HUGE, but is larger than normal
especially on a mare so thin she's ribby.
I'm getting weight back on her, and we bring a new mare over a few days ago. She spends half the day acting like she's in raging heat, presenting to the other mare. So I think ok, no pregnancy, the udder is because she was very hormonal. (this mare does NOT show heat unless in the presence of a stallion)
By the next day, she wasn't doing that, but is still doing a strange behavior of "marking" with small amounts of urine, where the other horses have defecated. She'll stand there for 15 minutes releasing small amounts of urine...Someone told me sometimes mares can do that when they're being territorial?
Yesterday I'm brushing her while she's eating, and feeling her left flank- where the largest bulge is....and it's moving. Now, I'm NOT sure I'm not seeing just gas....
I called her vet, he was supposed to come out and look at her Friday, but his office was closed and I did not see him all day. I'm just dying here, I'd LOVE for her to actually be pregnant...but on the other hand, it fellslike I'm clutching at straws...
She WOULD have been due June 13th. ;-))
I took some pics up at http://www.schhgsd.com/jo.htm
Any takers? I'm dying here, and who knows when the vet can get back out here for a non-emergency....
Michelle |
Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood
Post Number: 147
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 03:17 am: |
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Well Michelle,
I am no expert but I think your mare is pregnant!
I have a maiden Mustang at 387 days today and she's not that big either but VERY pregnant!
Your mare's belly looks like Missy's and I am pretty sure those are "milk veins" underneath her belly, etc. So, that said, I would say pregnant!
Good luck to you!!!
Here's my Missy. The belly shape is comparable to your mare's! Hope this helps you!
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/bb772bf5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/fe8c41ba.jpg[/IMG]
BTW~ Is your mare a maiden (first time)? |
Michelle Kutelis
Neonate
Username: Acheron
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 03:27 am: |
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Stormy I was just reading your mare's thread! Your mare carries more weight overall than my little Arab girl, but you're right! They do seem to be carrying similar...
She's not a maiden- she had a foal 12 years ago. But thats it, this is her second foal.
I find I'm spending the day running outside to check her AGAIN and see if I see more signs. I go from "No, she's not" to "She SURE is!" many times a day- hehe.
Thanks for looking, Stormy. I hope the majority agree with you!
Michelle |
Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy
Post Number: 143
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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With the history on both mares and from the pictures I would quess they are both open. I know that opinion will not make me very popular.  |
Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h
Post Number: 270
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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Cathy I have to concur, they look open to me also, they do not show the hollowing out of the tail/croup area nor do they show a mare which is dropped in any way. I hate to say this but both look open to me also. I hope I am wrong however! It can be so disappointing to find out a long awaited foal is not there! |
Michelle Kutelis
Neonate
Username: Acheron
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 01:05 pm: |
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Hi- thanks for the opinion- even for 297 days, she's still too small?
Michelle |
Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h
Post Number: 271
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 07:10 pm: |
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Michelle, to me it is not the size of the abdomine as much as the lack of softening and loosening of the ligament and muscles at the tail head and croup, when were these mares last palpated? |
Michelle Kutelis
Neonate
Username: Acheron
Post Number: 6
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 08:41 pm: |
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What worries me is, if it's NOT a pregnancy, it's a pretty fast growing tumor or something.... |
Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h
Post Number: 273
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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are you sure you have the dates right? false pregnancies can also be convinceing, also infection or endometriosis, I am sure Jos can think of a few things that can seem like pregnancy, or she maybe pregnant who knows, I am just saying I would put out the expense of making sure she is pregnant and the pregnancy is viable by having the mare palpated, it can be worth it to just know if she is or is not. |
anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat
Post Number: 149
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 03:11 am: |
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Michelle-Let me tell you a little bit every mare is not the same. I bought a mare back in August of last year and were told she had never been Bred. We went and took her on trail rides and rode her around here quite a bit, and I kept saying boy she is fat a neighbor of mine told us she looked like she might have worms well we worm her every 6 to 8 weeks, guess what she looked alot like your mare now she did not start bagging until later march and april 20th we got a nice looking colt. I would let the vet come out and look at her,you said the buldge was moving did you feel that buldge,but any way looks pregnant to me. mine bagged and deflated severel times also so keep that in mind some do that too.  |
Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h
Post Number: 276
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:00 am: |
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Michelle, I just reread your post and I see that your mare is not 397 but 297 so she maybe in foal. now if she gets to 390 plus days and no softening up and little udder development get her palpated to be sure. sorry for the mix up I had you confused with Stormy. |
Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy
Post Number: 147
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 09:31 am: |
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Michelle while every vet can miss a pregnancy a 70 day pregnancy is pretty evedent even by palpation. I was also going by your mare being 14 hands so even at 297 days I would expect her to show more than what she is in your picture. I do think you should have your vet examine her agian to make sure. |
Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood
Post Number: 155
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:12 pm: |
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Michelle,
Good luck to you. If your mare is pregnant, one way or another, you'll know in time!  If you can get the vet out again, that's probably best so you'll know for sure. Keep me posted on what you find out!
Stormy  |
Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood
Post Number: 156
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:20 pm: |
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Hey Michelle,
You know what's funny? I was just looking at your pictures again and it looks like your mare is one solid color all but the one socked leg. Missy is the same way! Her's is the left hind leg. I have noticed a few white hairs on her here and there though since she's getting older. She has a few in her mane and there are actually quite a few along her sides, but the solid color wins out hands down. Just a observation... |
Michelle Kutelis
Neonate
Username: Acheron
Post Number: 7
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:17 pm: |
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Well, called the office this morning, they had an emergency, and he won't be back up in this area until next Monday. Uggg- another week to go guessing...
I'll try and take more pics today- her bulge has changed and is now hanging down a bit....
Michelle |
Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood
Post Number: 161
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:26 pm: |
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Hang in there! 
Trust me, I know how hard that can be! |
Chasity Price
Neonate
Username: Chasntom
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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Hey girls (stormy and michelle). I'm new to this board. I found may way to it with the SAME problem as yours. You can read my original post on the udder developement thread.
My mare was checked in foal at 18 days and then again at 1.5 months. But I gave up ion her mid-winter. Then as spring came she seemed to be changing some, but not enough. I KNOW she was in foal (saw it on ultrasound) at 1.5 months. I have been back and forth for a while, but she'd be due early June if she were pregnant. I found her yesterday lying down. And she had little tiny crusty whitish drips coming out of her teats. SO of course that made me hope. I'm watching to see what happens with you guys. I sur ehope my mare has a foal. I was planning to keep this foal and retire her. She's a palomino in foal to my grulla stallion (both AQHA). Last year she had a gorgeous buttermilk dun (buttermik buckskin with dunfactor). I made the mistake of pricing it for what I thougth was "too high". When the lady bought him I promised myself I"d keep her 06 foal. I was so let down when I decided she was open....so like michelle, I'm grasping at straws!!!!! |
Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood
Post Number: 206
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 04:09 pm: |
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Good luck to you Chasity! I hope your mare is pregnant. I will check out your original post |
