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Stormy Rood
Yearling
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 98
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 07:28 pm:

Well, we are now at 382 days. Missy seems fine. All I see is a happy, healthy horse who is becoming a pro at faking me out with the whole LABOR thing!

I am hanging in there the best I can. Here is what she's been up to lately...eating, drinking and expelling the contents just fine! Just yesterday, she was doing all of this...rolling, breating hard, kicking and nipping at her stomach, alternating rear legs to "rest" and then kick up at her tummy, curling her top lip, licking and smacking her lips, bobbing her head and wiping it on her front leg (hard), rubbing on trees, walking with her tail "out" She will go from a resting position, stretching out her hind legs, to standing up straight and tucking in her abdomen. She goes through phases where she is down in the pasture grazing then she'll walk a few steps and just STOP! then she will stay in that same location and do the things listed above...then she's off acting normal again! One thing that seems "strange behavior" for her is that she will stand with her nose not resting on, but near an object such as a tree, her feeder, water bucket, etc. and just stand there for like 10-20 minutes. She keeps her head about body height, ears perked then pinned, eyes closed then open, legs at rest then up she goes, tucking in the flank. Then once again, she's back to her normal self. She has been very loving lately too! She demands attention and wants to be rubbed, scratched and pampered!

Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy

Post Number: 136
Registered: 04-2005

Posted on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 08:45 pm:

When was the last time she was preg checked?
If it was not recently I think you should get her in to the vet.

(Message edited by cathy on May 01, 2006)

Kathee McGuire
Breeding Stock
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 431
Registered: 12-2005

Posted on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 10:06 pm:

I have been out of the loop for a week and I can't believe your girl is still holding out. What is the status on her bag? She does have some intersting dips in her stomach. She is a gorgeous mare...looks like she was just waxed she is so shiny!

Stormy Rood
Yearling
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 99
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 11:44 pm:

The udder has filled decent for a maiden. The teats are down, easy to reach and black and shiny. Milk veins are showing good. She seems healthy as can be. The local vets are just beside themselves that she's this far along. Most of them have never encounterd a mare going over 365 days. They don't want to even deal with me!

CALIFORNIA! {He-He} They keep saying she's probably not pregnant, which I KNOW she is! I finally found one who had a mare go to 380 days and she said Missy is just fine so long as she's eating, drinking, and then expelling the contents and does not seem distressed. That vet is quite a ways away. We did a long Q&A over the phone where she would ask me detailed questions and I would answer based on Missy's progress. Jos was also most helpful on here. I am watching close, as I have been instructed and we are waiting it out! Yes, she is very shiny right now. I was cleaning her water bucket yesterday and Missy decided she wanted to get wet. I jokingly squirted her and she kept coming back and walking in front of the hose. It was 89* yesterday, pretty and sunny so I gave her a quick bath. She loved it! She went and rolled then ran for a couple of minutes, as much as she can with that belly. Thanks Kathee, I think she's a pretty girl too, but I'm partial... that's my baby Mustang!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 57
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 01, 2006 - 11:57 pm:

Stormy I know the breeding was kind of a funny issue, but is there any possible way the breeding date could be wrong? or mabey your mare is actually an elephant?

Stormy Rood
Yearling
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 100
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 12:05 am:

LOL! I hadn't thought about the elephant one, MAYBE!..how long do they carry?? {hehe} No, the breed dates are right. Only time she was ever with a stud! Jos says mares going through a longer gestation isn't too uncommon. Guess I'm just one of the lucky ones...NOT REALLY!

I'll trade ya!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 62
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 01:10 am:

All my mares are overdue this year too, but not nearly as bad as yours! THey normaly go early but are all hanging on this year, It must be something in the air

elephants can go 690 days easy

(Message edited by FABmeg on May 02, 2006)

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 101
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 01:38 am:

Holy cow....690 days! Gee, I can't wait that long so she better not have any elephant in her!

You know she is from a wild breed, that Mustang! {hehe~lol}

Sharon Malmberg
Breeding Stock
Username: Ryu2832

Post Number: 110
Registered: 02-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 09:24 am:

She has a bag?

If you didn't tell me she was pregnant, I wouldn't guess from the photos. When was the last time she was palpated or U/S?

She is a good looking girl, best wishes for a healthy foal!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 718
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 10:43 am:

stormy- sorry i never got back to you from the other thread, we have had so much rain i have not been able to get a very good internet connection, couldnt log with enough speed to sustaina connection longer than 5 minutes.
she has changed a bit, but she still just dont look full term! she is a maiden correct?
well i hope all is ok and she drops that thing real soon for you! i went crazy at 355, i cant imagine going 382!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe a vet call would nt be a bad idea...just to know, but i understand your thinking of only having one vet call when foal is born...its a tough one!
what was she bred to ?
she is so shiny she looks wet! very nice! her area in front of her hips and flanks are quite sunken and her udder does look to have filled, (very dark pic) so hopefully soon!
best wishes!!! happy foalig vibes and this is for your foal missy...OLLIEOLLIEOXENFREE, time ot come out of hiding!!!!!!!!!!
PEEK A BOO WE WANT TO SEE YOU!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 102
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 02:02 pm:

Thanks Kris. I know how busy you've been too! Sorry about all the rain. We are finally clear here in Northern CA but we had a time of it too! How are T and Jericho? Missy was bred to a beautiful paint with blue eyes. Yes, she's a maiden. The bag is filling (sorry about the bad pics, my digital isn't working too well these days!) and that baby moves in her belly and makes it presence known! Our local vets don't even want to deal with me at this point. None of them here close by have heard of a mare going this far over so they tell me to take her to Sacramento to a medical center! The only one I found that had dealt with this longer gestation told me all seems just fine and as long as I know she's pregnant, it would most likely be fine to hold off on her visit because she would charge an arm and a leg to come that far. Of course if there's any sign of distress besides Missy just being overdue, I will call one of our vets here right away! I have had a couple of friends checking in on her too. Both of them are experienced with pregnant mares and familiar with Missy from before and after the breeding. Each of them at different times over the past two weeks have mentioned how it seems like Missy just shut it down for a while, not progressing a whole lot, then all of a sudden (when we finally got into better weather) she just started right back up again. That might not make a lot of sense, but what I mean is, she has been getting bigger in the belly, her udder is developing more and more, the tailhead is becoming even more prominent, etc. They both think she is progressing well, although they can't explain just why it's taking so long! It is so funny because I see her on here and think she DOES look small but when I'm with her, knowing Missy as well as I do, I think she's a fat little pregnant mare! My Aunt, who doesn't know too much about horses but loves Missy and lives right next to where she's boarded, told me this morning that Missy seems to get larger every day and "she is so pretty and shiny!" It's her birthday today, so she's hoping for a birthday foal!

Good luck to you Kris...hope things start looking up and getting dry!

Thanks Sharon, for your kinds words too!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 724
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 02:25 pm:

WELL STORMY, SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE TAKING THIS ALL QUITE WELL...I KNOW I WOULD HAV ELOST IT BY NOW!!! GOOD FOR YOU...I GUESS THE CREATOR KNOWS BEST!!! AND SHE WILL FOAL WHEN THE PRECIOUS ONE IS GOOD AND READY!!! HAVE YOU NAMES PICKED OUT? I SUGGEST BEGINNING, ADN LOOKING FOR WORDS OR MEANINGS TO GO WITH PATIENCE, UNDERSTANDING,
EVEN PATIENCE WOULD BE A NICE NAME FOR FILLY! :-)

BECAUSE I TELL YOU...YOU AND MISSY SURE HAVE PLENTY!
WELL I GUESS AS LONG AS SHE IS HERSELF WITH NO DISCHAREGE, FEVER IR ABNORMALITES JUST LET HER GO, ANY SIGNS OF DISTRESS ID DEFINEATLEY BE MAKING THAT VET CALL, OR LOADING HER UP AND TAKING HER SOMEWHERE!!!!
WOW, SOON I HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 103
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 02:42 pm:

I am watching REAL close! Trust me, coming up with the money for the vet would not be a problem if I thought I would lose my mare! I would pull it out of a bill if I had to! My patience is only holding because of the great support system I've had with my friends that I mentioned and you people on here! THANK YOU!!!
Names...I already have them picked out but first I better explain where I got Stormy from...it was a nickname given to me from a very special man who decided to be in the delivery room the day I was born. He was not my father, meaning the one who created me, but he loved me just like his daughter. I was born on a very stormy day which is where he got "Stormy" and that is all he ever really called me. He was in my life one way or another until we lost him to cancer on September 19, 2004 (my husband's birthday!) His wife is one of the friends I have mentioned whose been helping me with Missy. So, in honor of them both, I will be naming a filly "Stormy" or a colt "Remington Storm". Daddy loved the name Remington, so that one's for him too!

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 124
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 12:44 am:

Stormy- i hear mares go longer if its a mule it takes a long time for those ears to grow

(Message edited by akabat on May 04, 2006)

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 105
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 01:45 pm:

very funny Anita!

especially since there are donkeys in the pen right next to her! I know who to blame if I get a mule...YOU, for jinxing me! {haha} But she wasn't in the pen with the donkeys except for a day a LONG time before she was bred to the paint stallion and he's no donkey! Wouldn't that just be a nightmare...waiting on a paint baby only to get a mule!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 731
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 02:02 pm:

oh but you got to love those ears! :-)

youd love it just the same!

no changes stormy?

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 106
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 02:13 pm:

Love it yes, only because it would be a part of my Missy, but I want a paint!

No news today, Darn It!

I am going to see her this afternoon.
She is boarded about 15-20 minutes away at my in-laws.
I am about convinced that she's never going to have that foal!
All I can say is she better drop it soon or she'll be looking for a new owner to fuss over her! Not really but I feel like that sometimes

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 03, 2006)

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 03, 2006)

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 66
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 03:34 pm:

Stormy you need to tell your mare that. My Dad's best rope horse has tons of horseinality, but can be difficult to work with. He was abused at his pervious home, and he pulls back so badly that he can't be tied up. When we saddle him he'll start wandering off or generally being obnoxious. All you have to say is "Rolex I'll sell you back to where you came from" and he smartens right up!

Missy just needs to be reminded of how good she has it!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 108
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 04:24 pm:

I already made her mad the other night asking her "Ok Miss, is it the REAL thing this time or are you just faking again?" She threw her head up at me and snorted then walked off! I think they do understand more than we give them credit for!

That's how they can drive us crazy the way they do!

People who abuse their animals should be shot. I mean, I have a Mustang and she is not the nicest horse in the world. Believe me, she does get disciplined but when it comes to beating an animal, that's just WRONG!!! If you know how to handle a horse, you can do it without beating the crap out of them! If you can't then you don't need them anyway and it's best to give them to someone who can work with them BEFORE they have issues from abuse! Glad Rolex found a good home with you and your dad!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 69
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:34 pm:

Stormy, filly #1 just hit the ground at our house, I sure hope you are next!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 113
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:50 pm:

Sweet!

Congrats, Megan.
Brat mare!!! {lol}
I told you I would trade ya!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 114
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 07:42 pm:

Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho, it's off to see my mare I go...
I hope to find a baby this time....
Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho!~

something's gotta work, right?????

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 128
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 11:55 pm:

Stormy IS it going to be a Jack or a Jenny

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 129
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 12:00 am:

Stormy- update yet?

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 130
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 12:11 am:

Stormy- I Can Hardly wait until you post a pic of those EARS.

Just kidding I hope you are with her now and she is showing all kinds of signs and she foals tonight. COME ON MISSY WE ARE ALL HERE FOR Ya GOOD FAOLING VIBES TONIGHT

BABY BY DAY LIGHT i HOPE WITH BIG BIG EARS!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 116
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 12:46 am:

okay smart ass!
We'll see who gets the big ears...
If you were in CA, it would be you!!!

just kidding Anita! {lol}
Like I said, you better not jinx me!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 117
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:05 am:

Yes, I was out with her tonight and she is being a witch with a B! Didn't want to be touched...not like I wanted to touch her much after she rolled in fresh poo!

Baby looks to have changed postion yet again, even lower now. Udder seems smaller for some reason, don't know what's up with that! Rear is getting long and opens easy. We honestly didn't stay long tonight. I had some things to do here at the house. But Missy seems fine. Here's some pics...Is it just me or does her belly seem to have dropped quite a bit since Sunday???
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/a70d0fca.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/e8d3e836.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/3415a801.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/f2bcdb0f.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/a15ac557.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/bb772bf5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/bba7bfbd.jpg[/IMG]
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anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 131
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:06 am:

STORMY- JUST MESSING WITH YA, I KNOW WHEN SHE HAS THAT BABY WE WILL SEE PICS GALORE

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 118
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:20 am:

Here are a few more shots..the first is from 4/30 just to compare the belly shape. The rest are from today...
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/Apr30915.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/a70d0fca.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/2a6d2c25.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/972c253a.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/273b74b8.jpg[/IMG]
This is from August or September..
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/48f9ee51.jpg[/IMG]

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 119
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:21 am:

hehe..I knew you were kidding!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 120
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:23 am:

Are you still on Anita...
What do ya think, are we getting close?

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 132
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:24 am:

STORMY- WOW SHE IS BIG,SHE WILL HAVE THAT FOAL BEFORE LONG. DON'T WORRY ABOUT HER UDDERS GOING UP AND DOWN ALOT YOU DID SHE THE PICS OF MINE BOY SHE WOULD SWELL UP LIKE A BALL AND THE NEXT DAY SHE WOULD JUST ALMOST BE FLAT. SHE DID NOT LOOK REAL FULL THE NIGHT SHE HAD THE FOAL, A DAY OR TWO BEFORE DELIVERY SHE WAS REAL FUSSY SHE DID NOT WANT TO BE PETTED SHE WOULD NOT LET ME BRUSH HER, THEN I GOT THE COW PIES AND MILK THE SAME DAY AND A STORM CAME AND BOOM THERE WAS BABY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM.

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 133
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:27 am:

STORMY - YES I AM STILL ON AND I DO THINK YOU ARE CLOSE HER PICS I CAN SEE A CHANGE.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 121
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:30 am:

You know what, I forgot that part Anita but we have had clear weather right? Well tonight as we got out there to see Missy, the thunder clouds were rolling in. I could hear it in the pasture...maybe the storm will bring me Stormy or Remington Storm!

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 134
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:30 am:

STORMY- DID YOU SEE KRIS G STUD HORSE MAN IS HE EVER PRETTY IT WAS POSTED WHERE SHE SAID ANITA & STORMY LAST PIC

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 135
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:33 am:

YOU MAY HAVE A BABY BY DAY LIGHT WOULD THAT BE SWEET OR WHAT

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 122
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:37 am:

Anita, I can't read it...the yellow background???

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 136
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:38 am:

FOALING VIBES FOR MISSY

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 123
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:39 am:

Got it when I highlighted. Yes, that would be cool! I just hope all goes well for the delivery since I can't be there!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 124
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:40 am:

yes, he is a handsome STUD! I think her mare is pregnant...just smaller like Missy

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 125
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:41 am:

how's your little guy?

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 137
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:41 am:

STORMY- KRIS G STUD IS NOT WHERE I SAID IT WAS IT IS THE ONE WHERE SHE IS TELLING ME THAT THE HORSE HAS A V SHAPE THE 1ST POST THERE RIGHT NOW.

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 138
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:44 am:

YEAH IT LOOKS PREG, WINDSOR IS DOING GREAT THAT LITTLE BUT GOT OUT TODAY WITH THE OTHER GIRLS OH WHAT A MESS

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 126
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:45 am:

just wait till he's older and trying to impregnate those girls! {hehe}

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 127
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:47 am:

well, my hubby is probably starting to feel neglected and the girls are still awake (lil monsters!) so I better get off of here. Talk at ya tomorrow! Night night...hope to have some news for you in the morning!

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 139
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:48 am:

WINDSOR IS SO FUNNY HE IS LEARNING ALL KINDS OF STUFF, HE IS RUNNING CIRCLES IN THE FIELD WHEN IT IS HIS TURN. I AM TRYING TO KEEP HIM IN THE CORRAL UNTIL HE GETS A LITTLE BIGGER BUT I DON'T KNOW I MAY HAVE TO LET HIM OUT WITH MAMA AND PUT MY PALIMINO IN THE CORRAL I USUALLY LET HER IN THE YARD AND PUT HIM AND MAMA IN THE PASTURE BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A RENT HOUSE ALL WEEK. I AM GOING TO GET SOME MORE PICS THIS WEEK AND I WILL POST THEM.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 128
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:49 am:

I'll be looking forward to the pictures! Keep me posted on the little guy. He is just too cute!

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 140
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:51 am:

OK I THINK I AM GOING TO TURN IN I HAVE TO GO BACK AND RENT THE HOUSE IN THE MORNING THANK GOD. I WILL CATCH YA LATER NIGHT NIGHT AND LET ALL THE HORSES FOAL TONIGHT

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 73
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:55 am:

I second that !

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 735
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 06:35 am:

looks good stormy!!!
shouldnt be long now! defineate change!!! and dropped!!! ( she does look pregnant now! :-)

)
mine went 3 days from the major drop...so lets see...by sunday maybe?!?!?!?!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 130
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 01:52 pm:

Thanks Kris,
Seeing her and knowing Missy the way I do, I could always tell she was pregnant even early on when no one else could. She hid it REAL well the first 10 months! Now she is getting big so looking at her in person, there is no mistake but the pictures can sometimes be hard to read like that. I did notice when I posted last night, the changes that I even missed in person! It has really dropped. I can't wait!!! My friend said she thinks she'll have it on Mother's Day. I told her I think I'll be bald by then!

This weekend would be cool. My husband's grandma is coming up from far away and she has been following my horse through the pregnancy. COME ON MUSTANG MISSY...LET US SEE THAT FOAL!!!

Sharon Malmberg
Breeding Stock
Username: Ryu2832

Post Number: 113
Registered: 02-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 03:43 pm:

I was just reading an article from this site. http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/myths.shtml

Looks like the longest on record is 417 days...you could still have just over a month to go....

Just kidding, hope she pops soon.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 131
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 04:00 pm:

Well Sharon, We might not get the chance to beat the record either way, but Jos was telling me a couple of weeks ago that the record was beat a couple of times this foaling season and now stands at something like 445 days...Wow! That would be a hard one to beat and I don't want to be the one to beat it!

Jan Owen
Weanling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 39
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 04:42 pm:

Hi Stormy,

Hopefully soon! Glad you are hanging in there. I think I picked up in the thread that you are in Calif., same here. Perhaps this weekend Missy will finally give in. She already knows that the baby is less trouble inside than out!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 132
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:37 pm:

Thanks Jan,
Yes, I'm in California. I'm in the Oroville area between Chico and Sacramento. It's been pretty warm here lately, thankfully.
I can't wait for Missy to drop that foal! I am losing my patience! I'm sure if that baby is anything like it's mama, it's going to be a handful! Missy sure is...
How is your mare? I was so sorry to hear of the loss of her foal. Do horses show signs of sadness when they lose their babies? I'm sure they do in someway. That was really sad. Good luck with the AI. I hope all goes well for you!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 133
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 11:37 pm:

Well, maybe we will get a Cinco De Mayo baby...
that would be cool! Actually, I'll take anything that gets me out of the waiting!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 75
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 11:58 pm:

I don't know what your going to do with that baby mule.... I MEAN PAINT when I finaly gets here! Will have to through an online party!
we can all dance like this

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 134
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 01:11 am:

ok, Anita...see what you've started!
Thanks Megan for the support!

Keep me laughing girls, that's what it's all about...you are holding me together right now and the laughter helps
Unless it is a mule! Then the jokes are over!!!!!

I like the boogie dance. Guess Missy is just giving us a reason to do an online party!Hopefully we will se "It" on Cinco De Mayo!!!

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 05, 2006)

Jan Owen
Weanling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 40
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 01:15 am:

Thanks Stormy, Yes my mare was really distraught. The vet had to give her a tranquilizer shot when we removed the foal and for two days she called and called and paced and carried on. Very very heartbreaking. On the positive side she is very maternal and I know some mares can careless so I would rather have her the way she is. Tomorrow the vet will be out to Ultra sound her and see when we will put our "order" for the good stuff. I am in Southern CA, suburb of LA. Hopefully you will have a healthy bouncing foal tonight!!!

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 141
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 01:41 am:

Stormy- you mean to tell me no baby yet

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 135
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 12:42 pm:

Jan, I hope all goes well. You and your loving mare deserve a nice, healthy foal!

Anita, no baby yet! Not that I've heard anyway. I will let you know... I am going to see her this afternoon.

Marie
Weanling
Username: Lilbitkansas

Post Number: 21
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 02:24 pm:

WOW Stormy you are from my original home turf. I was born in Gridley and lived in Oroville, Honcut, Paleramo, area off and on until I was about 18. I have tons of relatives out that way, Aunt, cousins, Uptons, Conways, Porterfields. I even went to HS at Las Plumas my freshman yr, but that was a long time ago. I'm 48 now. Small world huh.
I sure hope Missy foals for ya soon. After the whole Classy takin forever and showing all signs to mess with me I can feel for ya. Sending Happy Foaling Vibes you way.
Marie

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 136
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 02:50 pm:

Thanks Marie,
Too funny. Missy is actually boarded out past Palermo off of Louis Ave. (the palm tree road). I have heard of the Upton's. I worked with a Jennifer Upton at Quality Farm and Country here in town. Any relation? My husband went to Las Plumas too and now works in Gridley! I was raised here in Oroville until I was 12, when my mom married and we moved to Marysville. We lived there for about eight years before I moved back. My husband was born and raised here. His parents have lived on the same piece of property for 28 years now. My aunt lives right next door so we grew up together. This world is so small indeed! Where are you now?

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 137
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 05:52 pm:

Anyone want to buy a little Mustang???
She's pretty but she has one very bad habit of holding out on her owner!!!! {Just kidding}
I can't sell the little brat but I sure do wish she'd hurry her butt up and pop that baby out!!!
My patience is about gone!

Well, I'm headed out that way. Talk to you all tonight...hopefully with some REAL news!
COME ON MUSTANG MISSY!!! MOMMY IS TIRED OF WAITING!

Marie
Weanling
Username: Lilbitkansas

Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 07:05 pm:

Stormy, It very well could be that I am related to her, it would be from my dad's side for the Uptons and it has been years since I have seen them. Now on my mom's side it was Porterfield and her sis married Tom Conway. Judith Conway is my aunt, and her kids are Mark Conway, Jack Conway, Cindy Conway and Todd Conway. Todd & his wife live in southern OR now, Cindy is down around Frisco I think and Mark, Jack and their families live out around Honcut. Grandpa Porterfield lived in Paleramo for years. I was just down there last Aug to see aunt Judith and had a blast. We went up in the hills around Forbes Town looking for sugar pine cones, I think I brought 2 BIG bags of them back here to KS and of course no one out here has ever seen anything like them. We had so much fun driving around all the old haunts. I always loved that area and miss it quite a bit at times. Hey if ya would ever like to chat my IM for messenger is lilbitkansas@msn.com
Marie

Tansy Brassfield
Weanling
Username: Spccutnoak

Post Number: 50
Registered: 08-2005

Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 07:25 pm:

Just thought I would butt in and tell you I am from that area too. We lived in Quincy for a long time and went to FRC then to Butte (lived in Paradise) then moved to Sac and now we live in Springville- which is by Fresno, I didn't realize there was anyone one of the regular people that post on her that are in CA too- thats great- are you guys going to the Horse Expo in Sac? We go every year- its our big outing. Our website is www.brassfieldranch.com

Jan Owen
Weanling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 41
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 12:47 am:

Hi Tansy,

I am down south from you but every year for the past 40 since I was 5 we have gone to the beautiful Lake Huntington in the mountains above you. I wish I could get to the Horse Expo. it comes at such a bad time right at the end of school.

Stormy, News? I am feeling like you have news?

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 138
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:10 am:

Jan, sure I have news,
but not the kind you want to hear...........
MY MUSTANG IS A WITCH!!!!!!

She DID NOT want to be touched, looked at, thought about or anything else tonight which tells me something's up but we had to come home. Maybe I can post some pics of a colt or filly tomorrow. I am hoping anyway! We have family coming into town and lots to do but we will be there with Missy all day since that's where everyone's meeting. I had hoped she'd do this before all the excitement! I will keep you all posted, promise!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 139
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:16 am:

Marie~ It's too cool you're from around here originally. I love it here! I'll be in touch.

Tansy~ welcome to the forum! I won't be making it to the expo. Between the three kids, the pain in my butt horse and the soon to be born (God willing) foal, I am pretty tied up! Have fun!

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 144
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:45 am:

stormy- come on post some pics of that mule

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 140
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:49 am:

funny, funny one you are Anita!!!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 141
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:51 am:

I was just thinking...where's Anita?
Too strange you should be on here when I checked back! How is that handsome little devil of yours? If I get a mule, you have to trade me!!!!

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 145
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 02:19 am:

Ok you got a deal:::::::::NOT

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 142
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 02:23 am:

oh come on, Anita.
After all, that will mean you jinxed me!

Sounds like a fair trade! {hehe}
Just kidding but I do hope to have some foal pics to share tomorrow~

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 146
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 02:45 am:

I do too, and Just what are you wanting it to be again?

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 143
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 03:38 pm:

A Jack Ass like it's mom! {lol}

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 147
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 05:51 pm:

stormy- patience is the key

Jan Owen
Weanling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 42
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 12:17 am:

Your right Stormy, I was really feeling like you were going to have news...but not that news. Maybe she is just waiting for a "crowd" to put on a show....I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Try to enjoy your day either way!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 144
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 02:30 am:

Well ladies...all I can say is that Missy is holding out and will foal in her own sweet time. Meanwhile, I am going crazy!

I have said this a thousand times, but I think she will have it tonight! Sorry if the message to follow is in any way indecent...but, I checked her vulva today and could see it was dilated. That was very clear just looking...without much knowledge of what I was looking for. I was actually just checking to see the color (which is bright pink) but while she was opened up, I could see the "tube" shaped hole and then a soft, pink tissue at the end. I called my friend and asked her if that was from her opening up and dilating and she said yes it was the birth canal. Of course I did not mess around up there, just looked and then left her alone but I checked real quick before I had to leave to come home and it was even longer and seemed bigger around. She also had some very strong contractions today that made her stomp hard and her belly was twitching and jolting. She was very territorial today, walking her fence line and then would stick her head over the fence and look both ways and then she would RUN to the next side. She also chased my cat out of the pasture tonight after trying to stomp her to death! That is very strange behavior for Missy! Her and Boots always get along just fine and actually "share" the pasture area. She didn't want to be touched much today either but tonight, she would rub on me and call for me to come to the fence whenever I was within view or hearing distance. So, I do have some news I guess. I am really hoping to find a colt or filly tomorrow morning! I hated to leave tonight but it was 10:30 and we had to get the kids home and get them bathed for bed. So that's all I know to tell. I'll keep you all posted!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 145
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 02:46 am:

a couple of pics from today
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/7f2288c2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May06975.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May06976.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/97ddf7f3.jpg[/IMG]

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 07, 2006)

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 146
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 02:52 am:

Here's a picture of the baby!
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/fe8c41ba.jpg[/IMG]
In Mama's belly

Forgive me, I am just out of patience and tired so I thought I'd mess with ya! Sorry!
It does make some funny shapes in there though!

Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 268
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 07, 2006 - 08:31 am:

Boy Stormy, she sure does not look like she is softening up at the croup very much are you sure the dates are right? when was she last palpated? got any udder shots? can you get a side shot of her? She is a pretty thing, but at 385 plus days I would expect her to loosen up a lot more in the tail head/croup area. Hang in there must be a little filly in there if she is still preggers.

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 148
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 12:49 am:

Jan H. Thanks for your concern but I know my mare is pregnant. Her body shape has changed a lot over the last couple of weeks and the baby has dropped as of last Wednesday. The baby also moves quite a bit and knowing my mare so well, I can see many changes in her. Her hips are softened, her rear end jiggles when you push on it, the tailhead is very prominent from her rump, her vulva has lengthened. Thre is a huge difference in the mare I have now than the mare I had before this breed! Honestly, I did not do this breeding. I was told of it afterward but the dates are right. According to Jos, longer gestations are not that uncommon. There have been too many changes in the last two weeks to mention. She does have an udder but it's not as full as the others on here. She is a maiden though and I have been told by many that she could fill up right before or after birth. She had a yellow crystal substance right in front of her right teat today. It was very sticky...I can feel that the udder is fuller than even two days ago. I had pictures of the yellow stuff and of her today but my digital camera died. Unfortunately I lost these pictures as well as many of my husband's family today as they were visiting from down south over the weekend! I will try to get more when I go back out (after I replace my camera). Hopefully I will have a colt or filly to share as well!

anita kabat
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Username: Akabat

Post Number: 148
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:48 am:

Stormy, Do Not Worry, God Has this under control, Missy will do fine even if you miss it. She looks pregnant to me for sure and sounds she is making some progress hang in there girl. Get some Sleep you are going to need it if you do plan to be there. I can't wait to see pics

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 278
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:15 am:

Stormy sorry if what I said offended you, it was just an observation, but no one knows your mare as well as you do so disregard my comments. I hope that she foals soon to ease your mind and allow you some rest. Hang in there and I am sorry that I made you feel that you had to justify this to me...you don't! Who am I anyway...just another joe/jane on the board. I have not seen your mare in person and know nothing about you or any one here. Next time I will keep my observations to myself, after all they are just opinions and nothing more. A picture cannot capture what you can see with your own eyes on a daily basis!

Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 356
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:34 am:

My mare is at about 335 days today - She is still VERY wide....When they drop (because she is loking quite low now) Should the 'bump' show at the sides?? Only looking at stormy's mare she is all underneath and theres no bump out sideways - I keep thinking my mare has dropped but her belly is still visable at both sides when you stand in front or behind her...??

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 279
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:40 am:

each mare carries differently, but before they drop many mares will look lopsided, then when they drop they look even on both sides but still may show a lump on each side but will hollow some right in front of the hip bone but fill out more in the stifle area. hope that description helps.

Kim Winter
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Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 357
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:46 am:

Hi Jan - thanks

She is lopsided still and is large at the flanks - her ribs go out underneath where they used to go underneath her! If she doesnt regain her figure after this baby - I think she might be a little upset with me! : )

Also Jan - While I have you here : ) Her udder is up a tiny bit in the morn after a lay down, and back down again at night - She is 7 days from her 'due' date and last time she was a wk early - I would have expected to see more milk by now....?? I asked the vet, she just said dont worry itll come right - Very helpful!! They are filled, just not much, the bottoms are and the side go back in, nothing in the ends of teats and nothing to express...??

Much appreciated!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 150
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 10:29 am:

Jan, I didn't mean it quite like that. Forgive me, I am just losing patience!

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 280
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 10:35 am:

She sounds like she is doing all the right things, since there are no due dates, your mare sounds like she is doing exactly what she should given her history, but remember, just because she foaled a week early last year does not mean she will this year, I have found a week or two difference from year to year on my mares, there are influences like time of year weather etc to consider. good luck.

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 151
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 10:38 am:

Just a quick comparison on belly shape from 4/30 then 5/3...two pictures each day
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/Apr30915.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/Apr30916.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/3415a801.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/a70d0fca.jpg[/IMG]

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 281
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 10:42 am:

Stormy you have not offended me in the least, but I know it can be hard to wait so long and then wonder in the back of your mind hmm maybe she is not pregnant or maybe she is, it can hurt to consider another possibility, I just do not like to see you worry yourself sick waiting when a palpation can tell you one way or the other. I understand it can be a bit pricey if your vet charges alot for a barn call. Hang in there and know we are all here for support. :-)

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 152
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 11:28 am:

Thanks Jan. The truth is, the local vets want nothing to do with me because she's so far over. The only one I found who has dealt with this longer gestation is quite a ways away and does charge A WHOLE LOT! Sure she'll come out, but for a price which I unfortunately don't have. Please understand, I did NOT do this breeding on my mare. I am just the one to pay the price...it sounds horrible, I know, but my husband is the only one working to provide for a family of five. I can see the foal moving and am 1000% sure Missy is pregnant so I want to make that vet call REALLY count and have both mama and baby checked when that time comes. Of course, if there is any need for alarm, I will call the vet regardless of cost. Right now, I'm just trying to budget a little to keep our "ship afloat" I do make sure Missy is well fed (only the best for our little girl

) and well loved. I have watched her real close through this pregnancy and the only alarming thing is that MY patience is almost gone! I do appreciate everyone's input..please don't think otherwise

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 283
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 11:48 am:

Stormy hope your wait is over soon! good luck.

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 154
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 12:23 pm:

Thanks Jan!
What do you think the yellow, crystal looking, sticky substance was that I found in front of her right teat yesterday? I peeled it off to look at it and it was replaced by more last night.

Jan H
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Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 284
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:15 pm:

I am at a loss about that, with all my mares the wax was an off white color. have you tried to express some fluid out of her teats yet? what color is it? Got pictures of her udder lately?

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 157
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:28 pm:

I haven't been able to get anything out of her teats but the new yellow stuff that was there last night had a clear looking liquid both surrounding and under it. I had the udder shots last night but that's one of the things I lost when my camera went out. I had 30 something pictures of Missy and the family that was visiting so I was quite disappointed!

I'm going to get a new camera this evening and will go back out to see Missy on Wednesday so I'll try again. That is if I don't have a foal on the ground by then!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 82
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:32 pm:

Don't go buy the camera, not having one around to take pictures of the foal will set Missy off for sure, everyone knows baby mules are camera shy! LOL

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 158
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:56 pm:

haha, hehe, Megan is so funny!

But that's true! Missy will be like, hurry up and pop out while she's not flashing that darn camera at my rear!

Oh well, I bet I'll have the best looking mule in Northern CA!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 159
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 01:58 pm:

does anyone have a take on that yellow sticky stuff near Missy's teat??? It looks like a yellow crystal

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 09, 2006)

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 86
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:23 pm:

It may have been the start of some wax Stormy, which would mean she's getting really close, like maybe tonight or tomorrow close! but it's hard to tell with out a picture. Some mares get a harder crystal-like build up that isn't wax and can be there at any time. But for your sake I hope it IS wax and that not having the camera until tonight will be just the thing to "induce" foaling.

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 162
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:35 pm:

me too! It has never been there before. I did have the picture and even put the sample in my notebook just to have in case the pic didn't turn out...but lost them both! Doesn't that just figure?

I did check her yesterday and she was a brighter pink inside and seemed more swollen than the day before but still had that tube shaped opening, which looked to go farther back. I don't want to mess around up there, just observing....
On another nicer note, it was so funny last night...Missy came to the fence before I left and I scratched her face and down her front shoulder area. She was like a huge puppy dog, moving her neck up and down and curing her lip. Guess that scratching felt pretty good! My hubby was standing a ways away and just started laughing!

He's the one who said she's like a puppy

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 88
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 02:41 pm:

The little filly that was born on Wednesday was hysterical when she got her first rump scratch; she was wiggling and standing on three legs just like a puppy herself! My Vet friend says horses like that are part Labrador

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 167
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 03:47 pm:

Have you named her yet? "For sale" is not very pretty for a girl! {hehe} I wish I had a video tape of Missy yesterday. That was funny! She would also groan as I scratched her. Down the neck and towards the shoulder blade was where she went nuts.

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 91
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 04:05 pm:

The current vote is Cherry Blossom, Cho Bo for short. Silly little thing, she thinks she�s a race horse. She runs and runs then, stops, falls over and is out like a light! I keep trying to convince the other mares that she really needs a playmate, so they should hurry up and foal!

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 168
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 04:10 pm:

I love the name! Are you really going to sell her? She's so pretty! Good foaling vibes with the rest. You said you only own part interest, right? Who is the other owner(s)?

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 169
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 04:17 pm:

Hey Megan, who's color do you think she's more likely to end up with, mom or dad? They are both beautiful horses!

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 92
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 04:24 pm:

My uncle

, the one with the crazy orphan mare that they refused to discipline. He's also the reason I have a one eyed three year old (half brother to this filly). He actually owns the mare but instead of charging him a stud fee, we retain half interest in the foals, and foal his mares out at our place where they'll be nice and safe. It just turns out to be easier for me to take care of and train his foals from the get go, then to have to de-crazyfy them when they are bigger.

But don�t worry I have one full sister to Lacey that could be her twin and several half sisters, so there should be plenty of babies just as cute as her on the way. We�re approaching fifty horses when everyone foals this year so some of them are going to have to find new homes. I think Cho Bo will be a good one, she needs to find a place where she can be the center of attention.

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 93
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 04:26 pm:

I think she will roan out like her father, up close you can see white hairs in her body color. I really hope her mane and tail go white, THAT would be one good looking filly !

Stormy Rood
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Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 172
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:11 pm:

So with half ownership, who has the right to sell and who gets the proceeds or is that split? She is sure a pretty little thing! Where are you from anyway?

Megan A Brown
Yearling
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 95
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:19 pm:

Spokane, WA. Eigther of us has the option to sell the foal, and then profits are split, habitually 50/50. If we wanted to keep her or my uncle wanted to keep her, you pay the other partner half what the foal would go for on an open market, and the partners always have the first option to buy. Before we bought our stud, my uncle had worked out with a breeder that the breeder would keep all the fillies, and he would keep all the stud colts. Of course under that situatuion, Lacey only had stud colts

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:32 pm:

Just say you were at open market..what would the foal go for? I have family in Spokane. Email me and I will give you names to see if you know them..it's StormyRood@aol.com

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:38 pm:

Stormy- was the yellow subtance like this http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e107/rav123en/waxongauze.jpg
If it is than that is part of the beging stage of milk production. Usually 1-2 weeks before the foal arrives.
Good Luck!! Keep the eyes watching her!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:41 pm:

Lori~ sort of, but not really. That looks just a little more liquid but close in color. This was dry and looked like it had actual "crystals" in it and even the new stuff that formed was hardish...but that could very well be what it is! Thanks for the pic, that helps. I can't believe I lost mine.

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 05:52 pm:

Stormy, next time you go and see Misty and she has that on her again. Knock it off and see how quickly it reapears? I would think with the crystals in it than the process is quicker.

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 06:04 pm:

It was like one to two hours before I checked again last night and there was more...if this helps any

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 06:58 pm:

as soon as you get there knock it off. Watch, if you can every 10-15 minutes and keep track of how soon it reappears. This should indicate how much of a milk production/wax production she has. If this makes sense too you, example: ten minutes about a week away(longer it takes to reappear the longer the wait).

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 07:02 pm:

that makes sense..thanks Raven! I will try that

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 12:00 am:

No news tonight. The camera is still half broken and it's another few days till payday so I will see what I can do with the one I have until I can replace it! I will see Missy on Wednesday.

Kris Moos
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 07:36 am:

STORMY...NO BABY YET?!?!?!?! MAN I HAD NOT BEEN ON FOR A FEW DAYS, WAS HOPING TO SEE A MUSTANG BABY!!!! WOW...SHES GOING FOR THAT NEW WORLD RECORD I THINK!!!!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 02:20 pm:

I think so too Kris!
I sure hope not!!!!
Patience is wearing thin even now

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 06:17 pm:

Well, I am going out to see Missy a day early. I will try to get pictures of the yellowish sticky stuff if I can. I should have them posted tonight.

Kris Moos
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 09:51 pm:

well stormy what did you find????

anita kabat
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 10:08 pm:

A BABY MULE

(Message edited by akabat on May 09, 2006)

anita kabat
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Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 11:55 pm:

STORMY- COULD IT BE THAT MISSY IS FOALING TONIGHT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ONLINE THAT I CAN SEE KEEP US UPDATED WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU HAPPY FOALING VIBES MISSY

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 01:09 am:

Are you kidding me, Missy foal????
Yeah, when pigs or horses fly!!!!

anita kabat
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 01:11 am:

stormy- u know thats not the right attitude

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 01:17 am:

so you are on!!I know but you said when I give up, she'll give in!!!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 01:31 am:

pictures from today...camera worked ok
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/a3f22aed.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/fd5c323c.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/25f0c6d3.jpg[/IMG]
this is the crystal stuff, but it won't come out too good in pictures. You can at least see shape and size. It is yellow and hard and looks just like a crystal
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May0931.jpg[/IMG]

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 05:52 pm:

Stormy IMO MIsty does look fuller in the belly, flank,and hip area than before. Again just my look at her.
How quickly did the crystals reappear?

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 06:40 pm:

Honestly Raven, I don't know how long it took for them to reappear. Yesterday was not really a good day to go out afterall and we were only able to stay a few minutes. I changed her water and fed her after peeling off the crystal stuff (which left a bit of a sore spot on her

)and there was nothing to find in the short time I was there after that. Her teats look fatter and fuller however and the udder seemed more firm. I cannot express any milk from her. I kept the crystal just to have to refer to, and it has like maybe three to four layers. There was the flat layer at the bottom which was stuck to her and has a couple of pieces of hair in it (poor Missy) then there's a small thin layer of "crystals" all over that, followed up top by three globs of thick material, golden in color. It's hard to describe and my camera won't pick up the details well. She does look bigger in person too. Her rear end is now very flabby and jiggles when you push on it and I can see where the tail bone sticks up from her hips. This is very apparent when she swishes her tail.

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 07:08 pm:

Sounds like she is taking her SWEET OLD time with this one. You should be getting closer, some time before labour day!!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 07:31 pm:

I am hoping and praying for Mother's Day after all of mine and Missy's patience!

I am running out of mine!

I'll tell you one thing, I don't care if it would make me RICH,
I do not want to beat that new record!!!!

Jan H
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 08:15 pm:

Stormy if you can not express anything out of her teats then it is not wax. it must be something else. I just hope that you do not crash from disappointment if you find out she is not in foal. Scares me to death that if she ends up open your going to be hurt and I do not want to see that happen. I hope she is pregnant, but please prepare yourself for the possibility that she may not be. It happens to all of us at one time or another it has happend to me 3 times in the past when I was SO SURE that the mare was in foal. please consider the possibility that she may not be, and if she is...GREAT!!!!!!! and if she is not then a few tears but acceptance. Hope things turn out alright!

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 08:21 pm:

Stormy trust Jan on this. She is much more experianced than I on foaling.

Cathy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 08:44 pm:

I also went through this 2 years ago with a mare I was positive was pregnant. After 20 years of breeding I didn't think I could be fooled, but I was. It is not a pleasant experience.
I would encourage you to get a vet check. It could save you alot of unneeded heart ache. Good Luck

Kathee McGuire
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 09:40 pm:

Stormy - what is the actual count for the days now?

Jan H
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 10:50 pm:

Stormy your mare according to your dates is at 390 days today. Please listen to your friends here Stormy, these are good folks that want only the best for you. Have her checked just to make sure. Everyone here are sincere caring people that do not want to see you hurt. We all want your mare to be pregnant, but also know there is a possibility she may not be. Gestations which go on this long are not common place but can and have happened, But your mare does not even look like she is near foaling yet. Please consider what everyone is saying to you, have her checked. It can end the guessing and the frustration you are currently feeling. Remember we are all here for you what ever happens foal or not. (((((((HUGS))))))))

(Message edited by Jan_H on May 10, 2006)

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:02 pm:

Jan H and Cathy,
I know that you are just concerned and I appreciate that. Honestly, if Missy has not foaled by next pay day I am going to try to get a semi-retired vet out. He lives close by and wouldn't charge me quite an arm and a leg! The others in town just want to "refer" me somewhere else without even dealing with me. So that's where I'm at on that. Just a question...if it's not a foal in there, what would cause her side to stick out real far and would "kick" hard against my hand. I don't mean like a gurgling feeling from gas, I mean push out hard and knock against my hand! For instance, I had my hand on her flank last night and it did this to where my hand was pushed out away from Missy's body but still touching her skin. My sister observed this from like five feet away and said "Wow, that baby packs a punch!" Also, her whole body has taken on so many changes. She has always been very tight framed (I'm not sure I'm wording that quite right) but she was always smaller, belly up and tight, etc. I will try to find some "before" pictures...maybe that will help.

Kathee, I will have to get back to you on the days...I've lost count!
Try me in a bit on that

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:03 pm:

Jan, thank you for your kind words. I will keep you posted. Thanks to everyone else too!

Jan H
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Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:25 pm:

Good luck on her Stormy and thanks for not taking offence to my comments. As for the movements and shape differances, unless you witness it, you can not really understand exactly what you are seeing or feeling on your mare, it would be like diagnosing an illness without seeing the patient..if you know what I mean. The body can do many things to confuse and trick us. Those mares I swore were in foal in the past had all the signs you would think to see including the jumping sides and one even bagged up with milk (false pregnancy). so you see there is no definative answer for you....Palpation/Ultrasound is the only way to know for sure without waiting till day 500.

I do have a question...why won't the other vets which are near you come to see your mare? What is their problem with you? Are they horse/large animal vets? I am confused why only this expensive vet will come out and the others won't. Does not seem fair that they refuse to come to see your mare.

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 12:24 am:

Where my mare is boarded, it is quite a ways from town, down a LONG dirt road in the middle of nowhere, which is one reason. There are only like three large animal vets in our area. The others I called are from surrounding towns. With all of them, they either want me to bring her there or pay some un-Godly price for them to travel to the property...Missy is not trailer trained and I don't want to freak her out at this point, which is why I won't take her to them. Also the ones I talked to have never dealt with a gestation this long so they just want to refer me out. The only one with experience in the longer gestation charges a lot because she's in another town. The semi-retired vet I spoke of actually lives close to my in-laws (where Missy is) and works when he wants. That is who I will actually call to come out. I just need cash on hand when he shows up, that is why I said I will call him out on payday if she doesn't foal before then.

All I can say is I live in a strange little town in Northern CA and our vets aren't very good

at least not the ones I've talked to. Who knows, maybe it's because I have a Mustang, not a "well bred" horse {lol} One of them actually told me they don't like Mustang's which is why I said that!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 12:26 am:

But, If we go to day 500, I will win the record for sure!!!

{lol}

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 06:30 am:

Okay I agree with everyone on here about having a vet out to check her. But if you cannot, would not a listen for the heartbeat be enough? It should be a strong beat by now. I too have gone through a similar situation with my other mare as to if she is or not. And was very disapointed with the end results. Yes a palpation is definatley the way to go but if it is not possible what are the other opions to check her with?

Jan H
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 07:59 am:

Hi Lori!

The reason a stethescope does not work on the horse is because the gut sounds will be much louder then the fetal heart beat, thus drowning it out.

Your right foals heart beat would be stronger and more audible...but the gut wins hands down for the loudest sound in the equine body! You can hear the adult horses heart beat because it is not back by the gut like the fetal heart is located. Hope that explains it well enough. It was a great question to ask Lori.

Thanks for explaining about the vets Stormy, I hope things work out and please keep us informed on your mares status. Take care!

Kim Winter
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 08:15 am:

Hi everyone - Stormy, just a thought, is it possible that the dates are mixed up? I know that every mare is different (I should point out here that this is just a thought, Ive only ever bred this once and its not even born yet - no experience here :-)

) My mare got noticably bigger at about 6/8 months, and the movement of the foal was much stronger at that stage than it is now that we are much closer to foaling, as I understand that is to do with the space it has to move around... Could it be that she was bred much later than you forst imagined??

Anyway - Lets us know whatever happens - best of luck to you both : )
Kim

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 09:05 am:

Thank you Jan for clarifying that up for me. Now then, I can assume that when you are told to listen for the heartbeat early on than that is a false statement? Just I have found alot of vets will not do an u/s this late in the game. They say the foal will not show up on the u/s because it is too big. Then we are too believe that a palpitation is the only way to go at this stage? But are they safe, this far into the pregnancy?

Jan H
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:17 am:

Lori your welcome!
Ultrasound is kind of over kill since a foal at this stage in the game is very big and easily felt. One can do transabdominal US to check for placental placement/or thickening on mares which are showing symptoms of problems such as placentitis etc, but to check for pregnancy palpation is the easiest and most cost effective method this stage in the game. As far as checking for the fetal heartbeat early on, as far as I know that is done by Ultrasound, you look for the heart beats visually not audibly, I may be mistaken, but as far as I know that is the only way it is done on the horse, but Jos is one of the best to answer that question so what say you Jos is that correct?
As far as safe or not, yes it is safe. :-)

Hope this helps.

E Watkins
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:10 am:

Hello all- just wanted to drop in for a minute and give you an update on things at the ranch/home. Charles came thru the 2nd surgery just fine though it did take twice as long as they'd originally thought. He's doing MUCH better now and his face is almost back to normal which I would never have believed possible. He's still not allowed to do too much but today for the first time in a month, he is driving!!
Still waiting on two mares to foal, Frosty gave us a colt, ( of course ) and just Ruby and Brandy are left, they are 343 and 338 days today.. just hanging out and looking rather miserable. Hope all is well with everyone, I can't be on here as much as I used to, they are cracking down here at work on our internet usage. Hopefully, I'll have access from home very soon!

I sure miss chatting with you all and hope to be back on a regular basis really soon! I'll pop in when I can just to stay in touch !
Oh, the breeding craze continues, not too many mares getting in foal yet but we've had some crazy weather and that may be the trouble. Also, the foals are getting colds.. that's not a usual thing around our barn so I'm a little worried that they could be getting strangles. Not sure if I should start them on PCN or what, any advice is appreciated. Thanks! Ev

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:15 am:

Thanks everyone, your information is both valuable and appreciated! Gee Raven, you have asked all those questions I was thinking but am too burnt out to even come up with wording at this point! {hehe}

I will keep everyone posted. Kim, ya I am sure about the dates (only time she was ever with a stud). Good luck with your mare as well!

Okay, lets just say she is pregnant for now....COME ON MISSY, NOW YOU'RE DRIVING EVERYONE ON HERE CRAZY

HURRY UP AND POP THAT BABY OUT! {lol}

Jan Owen
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 12:14 pm:

EV- So glad to hear that Charles is doing better. May he have continued success at healing!!! Congrats on the new colt. Fingers crossed for a couple of fillies for you. Jan

Jos
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 12:40 pm:

The fetal heartbeat - as noted - is not practically identifiable audibly in the equine. It is not the same as in humans. The heartbeat is visible on ultrasound from about day 23 on, but even that becomes an issue to identify easily when the fetus gets big.

Rectal palpation is the most practical method of fetal identification close to term. Trans-rectal ultrasound is however used in the case of suspected placentitis to measure allantochorionic thickness close to the cervix.

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:26 pm:

Thank you Jos for responding! Your expertise can't be beat!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:33 pm:

Okay ladies, here it is...I believe in my heart that Missy is pregnant. The signs tell me she is. My heart tells me she is. She tells me she is. That said, if it turns out that there is no baby, that will be okay too. Remember, I did not breed her. As long as I have Missy, that's enough. The baby would be great and would be so loved, don't get me wrong, but my little Mustang is what I'm concerned with

! So please don't worry so much about me! There's a new lady on here that told me that my posts are why she checks in daily. I must say I was and am honored!I'm also humbled by that! The support system on here in awesome and that's why I keep coming back so THANK YOU ALL!

Lori aka " Raven"
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 05:35 pm:

I do have to agree with you Stormy the support system on this board is AWESOME and AMAZING!!!

Everyone has grouped and pulled together as a family on here to support and help anyone that joins. There are some that are just starting out and others that have been breeding for years. Without this knowledge from all we would be sitting back and wondering what is happening and not being able to get the answers that we need or questions that we maybe afraid to ask our vets. At some point in time, all have gone through the same problems and turmoles as the next. What better ways to get your answers than to talk to others that have seen it or lived through it. It does put releif to alot of unanswered question.
I do not know about the others but I can honestly say from being on this board for a short time now, that they have helped me learn and understand what is going on. All support each other in one way or another. If one falls we are all there to pick them up and help.
With that all said I would just like to give THANKS TO ALL ON THIS BOARD!!!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!!

Jan H
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 08:22 pm:

Evie, your husband is in my prayers daily and I see that all of the prayers are helping, sounds like he is on the mend! Thank God for that blessing.

Thanks Jos for the proper word not transabdominal but transrectal I stand corrected.

but glad I was able to have the rest of the statement supported! YOU ARE THE BEST!!!

Stormy as far as your feeling that your mare is 100% pregnant....I hope it turns out to be true I really do. But I am glad that if it does not turn out that way you can live with that. Bravo to you for allowing that possibility.

I have to agree about the support system here, I believe, I like others with experience have an obligation to those just starting out, to guide in a supportive and respectful way those who seek our expertise...but we are also still learning ourselves because each new year brings new challenges and new experiences, some good and some bad, that we must learn from. We are all in this together and we learn from one anothers journey of discovery and understanding, that is growth. We are all on this journey together, just each is at a different point on the path. Thank you, one and all for making my journey greater by you being a part of my journey everyday!Thank you for the companionship and creating some amazing memories. You are each very special and I consider my life blessed by having you as part of it.

Sincerely Jan H}

Kathee McGuire
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Registered: 12-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:46 pm:

Ev - so glad to hear your hubby is doing better...you had a lot of prayers

Stormy ... I can't believe you are keeping any sanity through this!

Stormy Rood
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:19 pm:

It's not easy Kathee!

As for the days...it's 392 today. Guess if she truly is pregnant like I am saying, we'll set a pretty sound record on here!
We'll call it "The little Mustang that could, but wouldn't"

{lol}

Ev~ I am so thankful to hear that Charles is recovering so well! Never underestimate the power of prayer!

anita kabat
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Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:46 am:

Stormy- I hope she foals on Mothers Day for you, You really deserve it. you have waited and waited and waited and waited and are still waiting,Missy is waiting and holding out for Mothers Day i just know she is?

I am going camping for the weekend I will check back with you when i get back.

that missy holds out for Mothers Day for Stormy.

Happy Mothers Day to all you Moms Have a blessed one i am I know I am.

Chasity Price
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Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 08:30 am:

I am reading all about this little mare in disbelief! Wow. What stamina! I can't imagine living in a place where the vets wouldn't work with me. I have a GREAT vet. He specializes in equine so it's a real blessing to have him in our area. Has nobody local even been willing to check her so that you can rest a little easier in knowing she's bred. I know you said at this point, "no", but when was the last time she was checked? Girl, I have to say, I'd go NUTS out there if I were you!!! What a woman!!!
I hope you get a pretty lil blue eyed paint pretty soon! Wishing you the best all the way from ol' Kentucky! You are sure takin gmy mind off my OWN foal that I'm waiting for :-)

. Thanks for that!!! :-)

Jan H
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Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:00 am:

Hope everyone has a wonderful MOTHERS DAY!!!!!!! STORMY GET OUT THAT INDUSTRIAL SHOP VAC AND SUCK THAT BABY OUT! "ITS DONE"!!!!!!!!!

Prayers are the best medicine on the market, they can be addictive and the long term consequences to that sort of addiction is ever lasting life, The power of prayer is amazing, my Grandmother had a heart attack last year at the age of 98 and they did not expect her to live out the week, she recovered had a pace maker put in and cateract surgery just last month.....If prayer did not cause her to recover I sure dont know what did, she is now a very lucid and beautiful woman who continues to brighten our lives daily...she turned 99 years old 3 months ago!
So lets keep those prayers going for Evies husband and of course Stormy's mare.

Have a great weekend and mothers day everyone and God Bless you all!

Kris Moos
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:15 am:

wow guys this is AWESOME!!!
Happy mothers day to all who are 2 legged and 4 legged mothers!! they all are so important to all of us!!! (kids and horses)
and stormy...you HAVE GOT to add into this foals name stamina, strenth, or something!!
"strength of the storm"!!!!
ill be checkingin for that mothers day foal!!!

E Watkins
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Username: Evie

Post Number: 499
Registered: 10-2005

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:24 am:

Stormy- I hope that you get a foal, you've certainly been patient and caring to that mare of yours, you deserve it. If not, remember that there's always next spring to look forward to.
Avery update: songrammed her last week at 16 days, the vet said she's open (not surprising after the birth/foal loss/flushing she went through) and that she still had an enlarge ueterus. I opted to skip this cycle to give her a little more time to recover. HOWEVER, this cycle has not occured.. I'm beginning to suspect that she may in fact be bred. I'll take her in another week or so to have her checked for a follicle..

I've had this occur before and actually had a pregnant mare on my hands.
Thanks to you all for your prayers, support, well wishes and comfort through all this, you've been wonderful. I feel like I've made some REAL friends through this site.

and I appreciate each and every one of you! Ev

Lori aka " Raven"
Breeding Stock
Username: Raven

Post Number: 354
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:55 am:

Ev- GREAT TO HEAR HUBBY IS BETTER!!!! Congrats on his recovery!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 214
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:10 pm:

Thank you to everyone for your support and prayers! I have a busy weekend lined up so if I'm not on for a while, that's why. I am going to see Missy in just a bit. I'll try to pop on in the evening if possible. As for the name, I have something fitting picked out but want it to be a surprise...since you all have been stuck waiting with me this long!

Guess a little longer won't kill us, right? Keep your eyes peeled for that new thread when she actually foals! I got a new Mother's Day digital camera last night so of course there will be pictures! Well HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL YOU MOMS AND THE MARE MOMMIES AS WELL! HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

Ev~ so glad things are going better for you! I hope your mare ends up being pregnant...you deserve it!

Chasity Price
Neonate
Username: Chasntom

Post Number: 6
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:22 pm:

Ev~ I've had that happen to me many tiems. Matter of fact, the mare I'm waiting on to foal right now only had a 14 day "size" embryo at 18 days. So she actually conceived AFTER she quit breeding. If I'd had her checked at 16 days rather than 18, we might not have seen the embryo either. Hoep she's bred! It's so exciting to get our babies in the oven for next year so that we can all go through this AGAIN .

Donna Harris
Nursing Foal
Username: Matdonna

Post Number: 15
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:26 pm:

Stormy- Good luck to you this weekend. I hope you give us some good news. Happy Mothers Day to you talk to when your not so busy.

Jan Owen
Yearling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 52
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 01:46 pm:

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND! I think we deserve a
whole weekend. Ev, treat yourself special this weekend, you deserve that and continued prayers for that hubby of yours. I hope Avery is in foal. I have had the same thing happen. We actually had to re-ultrasound at 21 days to be absolutely sure.
Stormy-you sound like your a great caretake to your family, those with two legs and those with four. Hoping you get that most anticipated healthy foal.

jan

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 754
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 02:00 pm:

stormy-
with that new camera get us some good pics of missy, have the sun to your back and get some of her belly rear view, and a good underneath shot of her udder(if its safe to do so) others were a bit blurry sometimes, id like to see what a 290+mare looks like!!!!!WOW! hang in there and hopefully she is indeed in foal!
Ev-
so glad to hear hubby is doing well, i cant imagine how scary it must have been the past few weeks!
hope all goes well with your new fillies to soon be born! and that hubby continues to heal!! The power of prayer is awesome!
well wishes to all!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 217
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 12:30 am:

Well, I have some pictures to share. I must admit, they are more clear with this new camera! Today when I checked her udder, she had those yellow crystals on her right teat and all around her belly. They are a little visable on the pictures but not too clear. I tried to hold her teat to get a good shot but being right handed and the camera having a right clicker, my left hand got in the way

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 218
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 12:56 am:

more pics to make you pull your hair out

[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/89ddb76e.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/ff081ac2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May12157.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May12155.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May12156.jpg[/IMG] I can honetly tell you that this horse has always had a round rump...never with this dip in it!
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May12168.jpg[/IMG]

SANDY WEIDEMAN
Nursing Foal
Username: Codiie

Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2005

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:45 am:

stormy... I am soo sorry totell you, but your mare is probably not prego... she has not udder what to speak of.. she looks just fat and happy to me... here are a couple pics of my mare at day 346 yesterday... see the big difference....
[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/codiie/shahandbaby1/100_04952.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/codiie/shahandbaby1/100_05252.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/codiie/shahandbaby1/100_0534.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/codiie/shahandbaby1/100_0482.jpg[/IMG]
I dont want to upset you, but I seriously do not think she is bred...
and here is a close up belly shot too..
[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/codiie/shahandbaby1/100_0479.jpg[/IMG]

(Message edited by codiie on May 13, 2006)

Rousseau
Nursing Foal
Username: Epona5

Post Number: 20
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 11:59 am:

Well, I am also checking on you every day, even if I'm not posting, but this time, I can't continue to be quiet, I must agree with the others, she really doesn't seem pregnant at all to me, or no more than 8-9 month, she doesn't even have a hint of an udder...

I know that the few mares who foaled at 400+ days had small foals, so they weren't huge, so it is not completely impossible that she is pregnant, but something we learned at vet school, is that what's rare... is rare, so no big hopes here.

You say she hasn't been exposed to a stallion after the paint stud, but are you sure there wasn't one in a pasture somewhere near ?

sometimes, the owners just come and take their stallion back and don't say a thing, or sometimes a stallion can jump a fence, then go back in his field the same way, it happens all the time.

I hope I'm mistaken, big hugs to you !

Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 370
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 01:43 pm:

Wow sandy - Her back end looks abour ready to get that foal out. Keep my fingers crossed for you, shes looking good. Mines a few days behind yours, she is getting there, slowly.Good luck!

Stormy, I must agree about the udder, it is just as my mare was before she was bred... Her belly also is small, round, but more well fed than pregnant IMHO. I hope you arent too disapointed by these comments, and maybe calling the vet would put your sanity back in place. Best wishes to you stormy
Kim

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 758
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 11:17 pm:

ok, stormy,
I am sure this is all over whelming to you, if you look at missys pics in comparison to Tsaharahs who was a very late bloomer i would say she is not near foalin...she does look as if she could be progressing in a pregnancy, but not ready to foal.
she looks as if she COULD be geginning to develope an udder, especially with the veins on her lower abdomen (milk veins????) but nothing else looks close. I could be wrong as i do not know your mare, but man i dont know that shes ready any time soon or at all
I guess i would wonder about mastitis and the crystals are body fluid leaking (like from a wound).
I honestly think you need to have the vet out...for your peace of mind, and in case she does have an infection, flies and bugs can cause udder infections.
so check out these pics and compare to missy, heres a picture of my mare when she began waxing and leaking milk.(day or two before foaling) [IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/101_6579.jpg[/IMG]
side view 1 day before foaling.[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/101_6583.jpg[/IMG]
25 days before foaling udder.[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/100_6045.jpg[/IMG]
next picture shows side view of how the tail head begins to stick up and the sides next to the tail begin to soften and cave in.
wax i picked off the end of her teat once her bag was good and full, it came off easily, didnt leave any mark ,just end of teat was wet as more wax formed. [IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/101_6456.jpg[/IMG]

Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 373
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 06:13 am:

There is some swelling infront of her udder too kris - IS that normal for a non-pregnant mare, I only notices those swellings after my mare was bred?? I did notice that when I looked at the photos..

Also - some horses get an amber crystal on fly bites - Like if you scratch the top of a nat bite? Could it be that?

Just some ideas

Rousseau
Weanling
Username: Epona5

Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 12:53 pm:

the swelling in front of the udder is just fat, and the crystals may just be fly bites, yes !

Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 308
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 03:49 pm:

It is true, she does not look in foal at all to me just bit pudgy. but sweet! :-)

I have a gelding who looks pregnant want to see? http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/cmpsp1/01262eb0.jpg I say he has sympathy pains for his buddy Jade...giggle I know this is getting to be too much for you Stormy, When pay day comes have the vet out and see if you can check to see if she is cycling, (that is if she is not pregnant), then find a nice stud and get her bred for next year, if she is not pregnant get her on a bit of a diet after 3 months (get her off the amount she is getting now and back on a maintenance diet for a non pregnant mare. then up the feed the last three months of pregnancy. Good luck and I am sorry if she is not pregnant I know how disappointing it can be. Hang in there! I put the gelding in because I thought it would lighten the mood but now in hindsight I think it maybe taken the wrong way. I meant no offence, I was just showing how my gelding who was kept with the two pregnant mares got fat...like he was preggo too, in fact he has been trying to steal my mares foal from her, I think he may just be a bit confused about his own manhood after the surgical procedure to alter his stallion like qualities (to put it modestly) :-)

I hope it was taken in a lightly humerous way and not in a way which would be percieved insensitive. (it was not intended to be negatively shared).

(Message edited by Jan_H on May 14, 2006)

Magic1
Nursing Foal
Username: Magic1

Post Number: 11
Registered: 04-2005

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 12:45 am:

Stormy, I am new to this, so I have just looked at all of your pictures and have to agree with those who say they don't think your mare is pregnant. I have foaled out three mares already this year and waiting on the fourth, so I pretty much know what a pregnant mare looks like. Plus, I have been doing this since 1966, so have seen a lot of pregnant mares of all kinds, shapes and sizes and length of pregnancies.
If I were you, I would not waste my money having her pregnancy checked or have her checked manually, which the cheapest. Tell the vets that don't want to mess with her that you are thinking she may have slipped her foal and want her checked. Then if she is not in foal, you can look for a stallion to breed her. I also agree with Jan H that you need to cut her feed back and take some of that weight off of her and she will have a better chance of conceiving.

Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 380
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:11 am:

Jan - your gelding does look pregnant doesnt he :-)

How funny! Hes is very pretty though - Maybe he is feeling a bit out of the loop. You should get him something really manly to make him less confused, trim his eyelashes or splash some dirt on him - Hehe. hes very nice. I wouldnt mind at all if my gelding were to look pregnant if he looked like yours.

Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 312
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:16 am:

ahh thank you Kim how sweet of you to say that! :-)

I just bought him a jolly ball now he says he wants to join a equine soccer club...I told him there is no such thing and now he says he will try out for an equine basket ball club I do not have the heart to tell him that it is limited to donkey's giggle. (I have watched donkey basketball its a hoot to watch hehehehehehe

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 222
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 03:05 pm:

The shapes that have been forming the past couple of days seem just a little too strange to be nothing more than fat. They stick out on one side only, real far, then the movement runs along the side of the belly and disappers near the flank. Also, I laid my head against Missy's belly last night just to listen. Of course there was a whole lot of noise(as to be expected) but something kicked out against my cheek. I moved my head and stuck my hand there and it kicked again {boom, boom, boom} three times against my hand then disappered. These are all strange things that I cannot explain away by gas or fat. The only thing I wish is that I could take you all on a tour with me to see her. I think the doubt would disappear. Anyway, here are some pics. I got one of the crystal like things off her teat yesterday. It was very liquid with only a dried area on the outside. The picture was taken about ten minutes after I removed it from her teat only because I could not find my camera

so it's a little more dry here than what I found originally
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May14194.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May14181.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/e27583cd.jpg[/IMG]

Rousseau
Weanling
Username: Epona5

Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 03:43 pm:

well, I think we all wish she is indeed pregnant ! she does look pregnant in the belly, but not anywhere close to term, and at 395 days, that is certainly strange !

I wish I was near you, I would come for free, just to know, but I'm in Belgium, sorry !

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 223
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 04:11 pm:

Hey Rousseau,
oh boy, you are quite a ways away! Hey, I know you said that you have heard of longer gestations, right? I know they are the exception, not the rule, but I was wondering if you know of any place on the web I can find for better details on the longer gestations...like development wise in those mares who have experienced it and stuff like that?

Even a way to communicate with an owner who had dealt with it would be nice...
I know for instance with Missy's udder (what little there is) she was always very inverted. I would have to reach way up inside just to feel her teats, which were always pointed sideways, and you could not see them by looking underneath her. Now that they are in plain view and down, that has to count for something, right? This only started to happen months after the breeding. Also, she started getting bigger in the belly way before we upped her feed in December. She was due to foal in March, so that was three months before her alleged "due date" just as I had read and been told that was a good time to do so. She still gets plenty of exercise. The pasture is about an acre, up and down hills. I take her for walks when I'm out there and run her a bit when she's feeling playful. It's not like she just sits there and eats all the time and is locked up somewhere. She is on the move most of the time. Just a thought

I have heard of people, especially owners who have adopted a Mustang, not knowing that the mare was even pregnant because she didn't show much if any of the signs, but when they went out to feed one day, there was a newborn foal next to it's mama. The people were often very horse wise and the pregnancy passed them as well as the BLM. Honestly, this is how Missy was born...in the BLM corral after her mother was captured. Just an idea.
Anyone else is welcome to chime in too if you know where I can get detailed information on the longer gestations. Thanks!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 225
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 04:28 pm:

I took the top picture first, walked up and felt her belly to make sure what I was seeing was what was actually there (which it was) and then stepped back and took the second shot, closer up

[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/46f4dd69.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/May14194.jpg[/IMG]

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 229
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 04:47 pm:

Missy really seemed to pop out this last weekend and there were several times when my chin dropped due to the shapes in her belly or the actual movement running along it. Of course those were the times I was doing chores (without my camera, of course) or I just couldn't click it fast enough. It was funny yesterday...my mom is actually the one who gave me the money to buy Missy but she has only seen her like three times. She came out to my in-laws yesterday and asked me if I was sure Missy is pregnant. I told her yes I am but anything's possible...to go look for herself. She got about half way down to Missy, who was standing straight in front of her facing us on flat ground, when my mom stopped dead in her tracks and said "Oh Yeah, she IS pregnant! Can you see that shape in her belly where it's sticking out REAL far on the one side only?" I just laughed and said "Now you see why I say she's pregnant!"

Needless to say, my mom left that property yesterday knowing that Missy is in fact pregnant! That is why I wish so bad to take you all along too!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 765
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 05:23 pm:

well then i guess well continue to wait with you!!! :-)

Donna Harris
Weanling
Username: Matdonna

Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 05:29 pm:

Stormy- I did a little research for you, I hope this aricle helps you out. It does not say how long the pregnancy went but...I know how wondering is..With my mare I did not think she was pregnant, so I did not do anything special for her because she went into heat until August so we thought. she just got fatter and fatter so we had to get her checked. Any ways her is the article

http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=2951

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 230
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 06:02 pm:

Thanks Kris~ I appreciate it!

I still need you all until I know for sure!

Donna~ thank you for the site. I will check it out!~

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 231
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 06:06 pm:

Thanks Donna, that was some good information!

Donna Harris
Weanling
Username: Matdonna

Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 09:51 pm:

your welcome

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 236
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:40 pm:

Donna, I wrote you back on your thread. Good luck tonight! I think you're REALLY close! Keep me posted!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 243
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:20 am:

Jan, Your gelding is beautiful, although you might not want to tell HIM that as to not confuse him any more than he already is! {hehe}

I took it in the spirit intended...don't worry!

So do you all mind waiting with me for a couple of days more until I can get the vet out to see for sure, just for the sake of arguement?? I still think she is in foal, but we'll see!

Hope you don't mind too much but for those of you who say "she's not" if it turns out that Missy is pregnant, I am going to say Neener-Neener

After my wait, I'll have to rub it in just a little!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 244
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:22 am:

Jan Owen, Any word on the AI? Keep us posted! You and your mare deserve a nice heathly foal

Jan Owen
Yearling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 60
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:23 am:

Hi Stormy, Thanks for asking, we AI'd this past Saturday and Sunday so now we are "waiting". It seems that in this horse world there is an over abundance of "waiting" Fingers crossed. But if it does not work this time the stallion is being shown in a big spectrum show in Florida over the Memorial day weekend and we will wait and try in June. I continue to have hope that your Missy will foal soon for you. The up side is that you have gotten to know your mare very very well and all the time you two have spent together will only make everything you do with her in the future that much more fulfilling. Keeping the "watch" with you!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 245
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:39 am:

Good luck to you Jan. I so hope it took! After what you went through, you deserve it and so does that poor mare!

I can't imagine waiting that long to have the end result you did.

I will keep you in prayer.
Thank you for your kind words on Missy. I do believe that she's pregnant. Things have a way of working out! If not, that's life and we will try again (so long as I know about it before hand) but I do think she is in foal now. I appreciate you keeping watch with me! You have always been so kind. If I'm right, your mare went overdue when she was a maiden right? Somewhere around 375 or so? Do you have any information on why they have this longer gestation?

Jan Owen
Yearling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 61
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:54 am:

Well Stormy, I am in no way an expert but yes she was way over due, not as much as your mare but still scary time. The final decision my vet came up with was that somewhere along the during the gestation the foal's growth slowed down for whatever reason and he just stayed in there to "bake" and get finished. I know, not very technical, but that kind of made sense. My mare was a maiden at 12 years of age. She never shows like she is in heat, sort of a "silent" heat. She is very even tempered and she is ridden regularly. The vet felt that her age and the fact that she was a maiden may have had something to do with her prolonged pregnancy. He was on the smaller side when he was born. Very healthy, just smaller, that explained why she was not huge like the other mares that were expecting. This last foal she was much more "normal" looking. Whatever "normal" is.....the foal was larger but sadly died due to placenta previa, she was still "overdue" 367 days. Until it is confirmed one way or the other don't give up hope.

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 119
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:12 am:

Hi Stormy,

I have been watching your thread everyday with hopes that one day I would read that missy had her foal, but sadly she hasn't yet.
Wouldn't you rather have peace of mind in knowing "for sure" that she is pregnant. If she has gone this far along passed her due date something could really be wrong if the foal is born. I would want to know for sure and the vet could palpate and give a better estimation of when she will be due or if she is pregnant. I know you so badly want her to be pregnant, but if she has gone this long and possibly is not pregnant and you keep feeding her for a pregnant horse, not only could you make her obese, but you could also founder her. And once they are foundered, there is no turning back. Trust me I deal with my foundered mare everyday. she foundered a couple of years before we got her and the man was just going to "get rid of her" so we took her. It is a painful thing to go through for you and the mare because you have to see the mare in pain.

For you I hope she is pregnant, but for your peace of mind and FOR MISSY'S HEALTH, no matter if it costs you $200 to get the vet to come out and palpate her, you should do this for HER!!!!
If something is wrong it could cost you more than the cost of a vet call. It could cost you the life of your precious missy.
I know you love her and are trying to save money, but if you love her as much as you say you do.....CALL THE VET.... most pregnancies that go this far do not turn out well.

good luck in whatever you decide, but like i said this is not only for you, this is for the life of your mare and possibly the life of a helpless little foal who may need help if it is born this late...PLEASE CALL A VET AND THEN YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL KNOW FOR SURE!!!!!
sorry to sound so mean, but this is very important as I am sure a lot of people have told you already. either way it is up to you. it is more to owning a horse than feeding them. when they need care, they can do it for themselves.. It is up to you..

Good Luck!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 246
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:27 pm:

I went out to see Missy tonight. She was walking around with her tail out at times. Here are some pics until I can get the vet out on payday. Top photo, check out the shape of her belly here. It dips down and out near her front leg. If you look close at some of the pictures, you will probably notice strange shapes in her belly and a hollowing area in the hips also. I wish I could take you on a virtual tour. She was walking in front of me today and her belly was quite large, moving from side to side out this way and that on perfect level ground. My camera just won't capture this...

[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/8a018e8a.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/14eda265.jpg[/IMG]
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Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 391
Registered: 07-2005

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 04:44 am:

Im sorry stormy, I just cant see that there is space in there for a full grown foal....and put together with that last picture if her udder..

I hope you can manage to get a vet out to her soon. It would be a shame if there was anything else about the pregnancy or whatever that they could help with but dont get a chance, since you have only had her a short while.Good luck...
Kim

Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 325
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 08:11 am:

When is payday Stormy? I know you want a foal really bad. I hope you get one, but it sure does not look like it will be this year. I hope you find out soon enough that you can get her bred before the end of the breeding season. Good luck.

Sharon Malmberg
Breeding Stock
Username: Ryu2832

Post Number: 123
Registered: 02-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 04:14 pm:

Stormy,
In a lot of pics she is really parked out, is that a stance she's been assuming often?

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 247
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 04:25 pm:

Sharon, Do you mean how she stands with her back legs stretched out? If so, then yes that is the stance she does when she seems to be having her spells of looking and nipping at her sides, blowing out, alternating hind legs to kick up at her belly and when her belly seems to be popping out in weird shapes. She assumes this stance right before or right after generally. She stretches out her loins and neck and curls her top lip fairly often these days....She will then walk with her tail out like she had it in a few of the pictures from yesterday.

Jill H
Nursing Foal
Username: Goldhorse

Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 07:09 pm:

Stormy,
So your mare is 390+ days? Even for a maiden mare, isn't that unusual?

I just found out Monday my mare is NOT in foal - I had her vet checked. I thought she was at Day 350. I saw movement (I thought) I saw bulging to one side, etc. I saw weight gain that was probably just spring bloom. Ultrasounds early on indicated she was in foal, but somewhere along the line mother nature decided it was not viable. I was so disappointed. The past 50 days I have monitoring her like a hawk to no avail - no signs of foaling and the boom... raging heat last week.

Bottom line I wish I had the vet check her sooner - I could have caught this heat cycle and rebred her. Now I will take her in two weeks and hopefully have a May baby next year....Yes, I was very disappointed - but she's healthy, happy and rearing to go this time.

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 120
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 11:25 pm:

Stormy,

i know you want a baby soo bad, but don't loose a beautiful mare in the process. a friend had a mare that was late like yours and she finally took her to some university. come to find out, she was pregnant, but the foal was mummified. they had to go in and cut it out.

Check her ASAP..

Also in all the pictures that i have seen, you seem to always stand to the side. make her stand on flat ground with all four feet down (not resting any) get behind her and take a picture of her butt. stand back just far enough to get the whole horse in the picture. The stand at the front and do the same thing. this makes it easier to see if she could be indeed pregnant..

Here is a picture of our maiden mare at 10 months....
http://community.webshots.com/photo/1239542289060158556RjcGYC

here is another....http://community.webshots.com/photo/1314226009060158556NVLYzZ

don't go on gut feeling go on hard evidence. get that vet out.. sorry to sound rude, but if you can't pay for a vet bill the what are you going to do with a foal? I know times are hard for some, but if you take on that responsibility, then you should get a vet to check her. I know you said you were on payday, but that has been in several posts throughout this thread. are you really going to do it? Just call a vet and tell them you want to do a palpation to check for pregnancy. most will fit several people in in your area which will make the farm call cheaper. here a farm call is usually 25 and palpation is 25. $50 tops.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 251
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:20 am:

Just so you know, I did NOT breed this mare! Someone else did it WITHOUT my knowledge or consent! I was told of it later. Yes, she is MY mare and I now have to pay the price because someone else thought it would be cool to breed her! I was her owner then and still am now but this is not my fault! I am going to get the vet out. The price is not $50 though....in the area where she is it is $85 (cheapest) just to COME OUT and then THE PRICE OF THE EXAM, ETC. Like I said, most vets in this area will NOT even deal with me for a couple of reasons, one being how far out she is or their price is even higher than the $85 to come out in the first place, and the other reason being that none of them has ever dealt with a gestation this long and only want to refer me out. The one I am having out on payday is semi-retired which means he works WHEN HE WANTS and has not been available for a while. I am going to call him in the morning and ask him to come out and either take a post-dated check tomorrow or to make an appointment for payday. I don't mean to sound rude either but I am a little tired of being accused of basically animal cruelty just because things are tight in my household. There are quite a few people who own horses and take care of them that don't have a lot of money. Some of us were in better financial conditions when we got our mares, but life changes. Others are single income families that are loving people who take the best care of thier horses that they can or even take in abused animals and try to do right by them. Then of course you have the breeders who's life is tied up in their horses financially as well as by love. I do not look up or down upon any of these people's circumstances. I respect that they have a love of horses and try to give them a good home! If I offend anyone with this message, that is not my intention but I also do not like being put down because my income cannot afford the best by someone else's standards!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 252
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:00 am:

I just wanted to say, I joined this forum for the support system, which I still think is great and I will continue to support the friends I have made on here

but am not going to post on Missy anymore until I know for sure. This is just getting out of hand and that was not my intention! I am sure she is pregnant but don't feel the need to justify that anymore. I will know soon enough and will let all of you who have been following and supporting me know when I do.

Lindsey
Neonate
Username: Whitcomb

Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:08 am:

Stormy,
I am new on here but have been reading for a while now and I also think your mare is pregnant.
As far as the vet coming out I know what its like when you live far away from them it cost me $300 just to get them to come to where I live, also in North Cal (on the coast). So dont feal bad, and get him there when you can.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 254
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:14 am:

Thank you Lindsey! I love the Northern CA coast and have spent many of my summers at Fort Bragg since I was a kid. Are you close to there or farther up or down? I'm assuming you have a pregnant mare right? What are the details, name, how far along, etc. ???

(Message edited by StormyRood on May 18, 2006)

Donna Harris
Weanling
Username: Matdonna

Post Number: 39
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:24 am:

Stormy good LUCK to you, we are here for you, hang in there and be strong.

Jan Owen
Yearling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 67
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:31 am:

Stormy,
You are on this discussion board for support, fellowship, and to learn. I think you have found that, like I have. I have learned since I got my horses 9 years ago that everybody has their own opinion and knowledge and you learn as much as you can from them, mix it with your own experience and your knowledge of the situation and go from there. Please stick around I have learned from you too!

Lori aka " Raven"
Breeding Stock
Username: Raven

Post Number: 367
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:04 am:

Stormy, as I sit here and read your post and others. No one is trying to put you down for the fact that your income does not meet others peoples standards. They are all here to support you and give you advice. Some may have gone through the exact same as what you are with Missy and they just want what is best for both of you. With the least amount of heartache. Because not everyone wants to see another fail or suffer what they have gone through. As I'm sure if you have experianced a loss than you would not wish that to happen to another. Especially when it could have be prevented. Remember hind sight is 20/20. These people on here are just trying to help you. It is advice from wiser people who are experianced/knowledgable in breeding. Simple because most of these horses are like their kids and they just want what is best for their welfare. That includes Missy! I'm sure if it was one of your kids then you would go and do whatever at whatever cost, to help them out. I would just hate and dread the idea of Missy having compilcations and in the end you lose her. All the people on this board have grown to like you and Missy. So do not take offence when the wiser ones are telling you from experiance on what to do. Take it as gratitiude and help. Is that not why you came to the board to seek out others advice on what to do with Missy?? If no one truely cared about you and Missy then you would not get the responces that you have. We all care and do not want to see others fail! So stay on and continue to post about Missy.

Rousseau
Weanling
Username: Epona5

Post Number: 24
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:33 am:

Yrah, Stormy, you are an asset on this list, don't feel bad about this, I for one and many people believe you utterly, your mare does look pregnant, but she looks nine month along, so there are 3 possibilities,
1� she is not pregnant;
2� she was bred later than you think, whithout anybody's knowledge (unlikely, I know);
3� there is something far wrong with this gestation, although 400+ gestations do exist, she should be bagging up by now, or she is exposed to fescue endophyte (I'm in Europe, doesn't exist around here, but I learned about it on this list).

Just a thought, maybe prolonged gestations and no bagging up before foaling is not so unusual with mustangs, and as no one else here has experience with mustangs, especially me, haven't even seen one in the flesh, maybe you should research a list or something about mustangs specifically.

Good luck and hang in there !

sandra dillard
Weanling
Username: Magnolia

Post Number: 31
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 08:34 am:

Stormy - Bless your heart!!! I know you are getting frustrated, I have been following you and missy, Every morning, i get to work, get on the computer so I can check on you... I thought my mare was pregnant year before last, i just swore she was, luckily I have several vets in my area, I finally loaded her up(I dreaded it because everyone was telling me she wasn't pregnant and I hated to hear that she wasn't for sure), had an u/s, and she wasn't. It broke my heart but I put her back in with the stud and now we're having a baby, took two years of trying, but its happening now. I know you love Missy, its unbelievable how much you can fall in love with your horses and I know you want what's best for her...Maybe this vet will come out and check her for you and you'll feel much better knowing... HANG IN THERE!!!!((((HUGS)))) Also, I have a Mustang from Nevada. Her name is Patience and believe me, she earned that name!!!!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 767
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 09:04 am:

Stormy-
I agree with rousseau and her 3 options!
My thought is having the vet out to tell you whether she is or not...or if something could be wrong...not just necessarily with a pregnancy, but something else to show the signs you talk about(tail swishing, parking out, biting and kicking sides) just in case she is NOT bred...because at 400 days the thought is there, but as i have said before she looks to be pregnant but not full term, so be sure to post after the vet is out, as i am real curious as to whats going on!
here is mine at 315 days, approximately 40 days before delivery, which is about what your mare looks to me as far as belly shots,[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/100_5718.jpg[/IMG] and udder wise too. this is the rear view requested from you by beverly [IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/100_5720.jpg[/IMG] (taken same day as side view, 315) and at that time she too was holding tail out, looking to belly, etc.
this udder picture was taken at 324 days, 30 days before delivery.[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/krismoos/100_5794.jpg[/IMG]
Nobody is cutting you down for not haveing readily available funds for a vet...just concerned because a vet call is cheaper than an emergency call for a true emergency because something is wrong NOW, and probably cheaper financially and emotionally than having a rendering truck out because you lost your mare...that is my fear...but i hope all is well and that the dates were given to you wrong or something and she is indeed pregnant, just in her 11 month!!!
good luck, and PLEASE keep us posted!

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 121
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:19 am:

Stormy,

I am not trying to be rude and i am sorry if it came off that way. But i do agree with kris and Raven. Nobody is hear to hurt you. it is a learning experience.
Just because you didn't breed this horse does not mean you don't have to be responsible for her now. I know you love her and want the best for her. I know your horse means the world to you.

It is a forever learning experience. i learn something new everyday and some of the things people say about MY horses, I may not like it, It may sound rude, but It is because maybe someone is more knowledgeable.

i don't live in a big house or have tons of money. some months we struggle, some months we don't. i am not attacking your financial ability, all i am saying is that Missy needs to see a vet. and SOON! her tail head has not fallen away ( even though it looks as if she has a low tail head) it would still be more hollow. Even a maiden would do that. And the closer to foaling the mares flanks fill in. it hollows first then it fills in...

i am on an awesome group where i have learned tons. I would say join this group as we have lots of members and ALL of them are knowledgeable about one thing or the other.

it is called foalwatch.... go to yahoo groups and look for the group , join it and you will learn all you want.

again I am very sorry if i came off a little strong. i just don't want to see you get hurt and if she is indeed pregnant loose the foal and maybe Missy.

Good Luck

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 161
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:57 am:

Stormy- hang in there girl, You know I do not think there is one on here that is a certified vet i think most of us just have had some experience in the foals. I am here for ya and will support you,I know you want the very Best for Missy, I know you LOve her alot you and I have shared with each other things about our horses and Yes I do think she is Pregnant. I would like to see more progress just like you. I know you said, You felt the Baby kicking and You could see it move. Could it be that the person that Bred her did not give you the right Date? well girl keep in Touch and I am waiting to hear from You got go the neighbor just called and she got a New Buckskin this morning. SHe too is waiting and watching she has a mini she is waiting on BIg and Fat she was due last month.

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 122
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:43 am:

Hi Anita,

i don't know if the comment about the certified vet was aimed at me or not, but here is my take on that. I never said i was a vet or even knew exactly what was going on, I just said get a vet out to make sure. no matter what the cost.

I too have said I hope she is pregnant... Dates are easily mixed up, but people have made mistakes. even vets. i hope she has felt a baby kicking.

i don't want to be the bad person in all this, i am just trying to be sensible. if the dates are right...something COULD be wrong. If the dates are wrong...she COULD be fine...I'm the type of person who likes exact answers, not just assume something. I like the facts, and when i tr to relay those facts i should not be battered anymore that Stormy should be battered about not being able to get a vet out.

i am sure everyone read the information on this board when you signed up.. it says these are just opinions, not necessarily facts. everyone has an opinion, just doesn't mean it is the right one.

Kathee McGuire
Breeding Stock
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 458
Registered: 12-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:13 pm:

Stormy...opinions are what makes this site work, but they are just opinions. You know your girl better than anyone and I don't even know how you are enduring this stress. Please be sure that there are probably more people like me that have just been reading and following your story without responding because we have never seen anything like this. Please keep posting updates. By the way, a bad animal owner wouldn't be on this sight desperately looking for help like you have! She is lucky to have you!
Maybe we can shake the bad karma off this thread and create a Missy's Update thread.

Chasity Price
Weanling
Username: Chasntom

Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:11 pm:

Hi Stormy. We have talked a couple tmies on here. I want you to know that I too have every faith in you and MIssy. Like many others, YOU are the one that got me HOOKED on this site. I have my own mare that is giving me fits. Two weeks ago I made a vet appointment and this Saturday was the soonest he could come. SO thank goodness, I will atleast know for sure in 2 days. But even in my "for sure" pregnant mare, I have had certain days where her body looked different and thought...hmmmm...she doesn't look big enough...But then she moves and it changes again. Even on her you can't see her belly sticking out past her butt/hips on either side (she's a wide butt quarter horse :-)

. Please wish me luck with my mare saturday. She has been my BEST broodmare and I promised myself I would keep her foal this year. I wanted last year's but I made the mistake of pricing it. :-(

So I want more than ANYTHING for her to be pregnant! I know she WAS pregnant....but not sure if this one carried through. Guess I'll know in two days! And The nail test said bred for SURE! :-)

Please know that there are MANY people who want to hear from you and I am one of them!!!! I"d hug you too, but my arms won't reach from ol' Kentuk to Caly ;).

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 255
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:54 pm:

Thanks everyone! I am planning to call the semi-retired vet today. I am hoping he is home and available to me this time and that he isn't too aweful worried about the cash up front so that I can get this visit over with. I will let you know. Now in response to everyone's comments....

Donna~ Thank you!

Jan Owen~ You are one awesome lady! I so hope you get that foal you are hoping for. Your sweetness and drive to help others despite the horrible set back you and your mare endured this year is wonderful!

Raven~ I get it and agree with you. Thanks!

Rousseau~ Thank you. You have just stated a few things that I have been thinking of. I am still sure she's pregnant. That said, on to the other possibilities...the paint stud lived only a property away. He was kept in a high fence so I didn't really think he could have gotten out but the other day, the horses on that propety did get out. The paint is gone now and has been for quite some time but I am now looking at the fact that I guess it was possible for him to get out and to Missy. They would often converse at the fences. There was another big pasture between them but I did hear them whinney to each other a few times. Anything's possible at this point!

Another thought, I wasn't told about the breed the first time around so who's to say it didn't happen again and they are just scared to tell me, but I would think they would come out with it since I'm so worried? I have never fed fescue and I don't think it's in the pasture...Another thought I have had too is the Mustang thing. Is that possible that they are just a little different? I have tried to get the research on that but haven't had much luck.

Sandra~ Thank you! Maybe you can chime in on this Mustang thing?

Kris~ I agree with you! Thanks!

Beverly~ I did take your comments to be a little harsh but accept your appology and understand that you probably didn't mean it the way it came out. I agree on the knowledge part. No one in the horse world, including the vets, knows everything. It is always going to be about learning!

Anita~ I am just going to say, I think you were mainly just standing up for me on this one as you knew I was a little offended. I don't think your intention was to batter anyone and thank you for standing by me!

Send me pics of that Buckskin if you can!

Kathee~ Thank you for your kind words! I will keep posting the updates. I had a few emails this morning telling me to do so too. You read my mind on the new thread thing. I think that's just what I'll do which is why I am responding to everyone on here before we start anew.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 256
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 01:58 pm:

Thanks Chasity~ I hope your mare is pregnant and you get all you wish for! That would be cool for you to keep this one! Good luck! You must have posted while I was working on my long one so here's your response...I am going to start a new thread...so keep an eye out!

sandra dillard
Weanling
Username: Magnolia

Post Number: 35
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:11 pm:

Keep your head up Stormy.....I'm not sure on the breeding of Mustangs. I've only had mine about 10 months..Long story how I got her...But, she has been in with my QH Stud this spring, planning on having her u/s along with my QH mares in a couple of weeks. Right now I'm waiting on my Arabian to foal, It feels like she's been pregnant for over a year!!!!! Impatient, impatient, impatient....I need to remember why I named my Mustang "Patience". When I was trying to tame her (yes, she was running loose in a BIG pasture,she was as wild as a deer) before I ever got her to my house, I would have to remind myself, "be patient" and I would sing the song "patience" by guns n roses to her... She need's to be singing that to me now. good luck with the vet....sending love all the way from Mississippi!!!!!

Megan A Brown
Breeding Stock
Username: Fabmeg

Post Number: 119
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:29 pm:

Now here's a thought, what does the nail test say on Missy? No substitute for a palpation, but something else to think about. As far a proximity to foaling based on appearances goes, I think I'm suffering form the other end of the spectrum. I have a mare with an unknown breeding date that has looked about ready to pop for over a month now. Very loose in the hind end, huge bag, dropped belly ( v shape) everything short of waxing but my mares almost never wax. last year a had a maiden mare with the smallest bag that had very little loosing across the croup and almost no change in belly shape up until a hour before she foaled. My point is what is normal for one mare may not be for another.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 257
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:29 pm:

Thanks Sandra. Mustangs are a handful. I don't want to ruin the surprise with the foal name but don't get offended if something in your Mustang's name gets used...I've had something in mind for quite a while now

{hehe}I am going to start that new thread in a bit. First I have a quick question on palpation. My plan to go to out to the property to see Missy this afternoon and then call the vet from there and beg him to come out. The thing is, Missy is a little bratty at times and I am wondering how mares usually respond to palpation so I can be prepared to do what I have to to keep everyone safe. So, do you usually hook your mare up on a lead rope and just hold them so the vet can do his thing? I personally line Missy up on the gate if I am going to do anything like take pics of her underside, etc so I was thinking about maybe backing her rear end up against the gate so the vet can examine her without a chance of her kicking him. I have heard that he doesn't much care for Mustang's due to a bad experience and I too know that they can be a handful!

Any advice?

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 258
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:31 pm:

Hey Megan, I've been wondering where you are. How does that nail test work again? I am rumdum from reading so much and then all the STRESS! Maybe you too can help me with the palpation question!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 770
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:44 pm:

Stormy, my vet routinely uses a mild tranquilizer when he palpates Tsaharah or any other horse that is not routinely palpated or used for ai.
there are safe ones to use during pregnancy ive been told.
anyway i just did a llittle googling, mustnag gestations are usually 11 months one day and delayed gestation is usually a result of fescue toxicity which causes the prolonged gestation and the foal continues to grow but it affects the hormones that trigger croup and tail head softening, udder developement while the edema ahead of the bag will begin and causes lack of teat developement which to me describes Missy...ARE YOU SURE SHE IS NOT GRAZING ON FESCUE?!?!?!?!?!?

sandra dillard
Weanling
Username: Magnolia

Post Number: 36
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:45 pm:

Stormy - we built a stock at our farm, It makes any kind of doctoring so much easier, It's not something that can be built quick though, we had to cement 4 x 4's in the ground and bolt 2x12's to them. It's built so you can lead the horse into it and latch it behind them. I can't remember the measurements but i could have them tomorrow. The vet may want to hobble her for palpating, you may want to ask him when you talk to him on the phone before he comes out. And by the way,I do think patience would be more than proper in your baby's name!!!! Also, just some info, my husband was talking with a guy yesterday who's wife has an arabian. no studs close by, she came up pregnant. They can not find anyone in the area who will admit their stud got out around the time she would have concieved but obviously it happened. I don't believe in immaculat conception in horses!!!!!

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 771
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:50 pm:

stormy -
i also read that tall fescue is routinely planted and used for pasture in california, especially norhtern california. I guess this would be hte route if figure if she is indeed pregnant. look at this site, ther are some real good pictures of what it looks like.http://cropandsoil.oregonstate.edu/News/Publicat/Hannaway/TallFes/complete.html
good luck girl...and hopefully that vet will come out TODAY!!!

Chasity Price
Weanling
Username: Chasntom

Post Number: 26
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 02:58 pm:

Megan~ One of my mares mares that is due to foal any time is like that too. She NEVER shows any of the signs that most do. SHe has a bag but that's about it. Last year I had her pinned AT LEAST two weeks off and found a filly the next morning. She didn't loosen up in the rear....drop....NOTHING. No changes. And I do know what to look for because all my others show these changes. Kit had shown NOTHING. She's shoudl foal any day now. Her bag is tight, but other than that, who knows!
~Stormy, in case nobody responds about the nail test (they may have and I overlooked it), tie a string to a nail. Hold the string up over your mares back. If she is in foal, it should swing parallel with her backbone. If not, then it won't move. I tried this and it's COOL. It didn't move on my geldings, or young fillies, but it wen thay-wire over my pregnany mares. It actually twists and stuff too...it doesn't just "sway a little". It went NUTS. The Nail test says my goldie is in foal. SO we'll se if it's right :-)

Chasity Price
Weanling
Username: Chasntom

Post Number: 27
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:08 pm:

Stormy~ read on the "truth or myth" thread for more info on the nail test. It's no sure fire thing obviously, but it's fun anyway :-)

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 260
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:25 pm:

Kris, thanks for the info. It does sound like that, huh? How strange. I have not seen that grass in the pasture but am going to look again when I get there to make sure! The property she's in has never been planted or anything and the same owners have had it for 28 years but you never know what can grow wild! I will check into it!

Sandra~ Thanks! Anything is possible if those studs want to mate, I guess! {lol}

Chasity~ Thanks. I think I'll try the nail test just for fun until I can get the vet out.

I am going to leave soon to see Missy and will make the call from there. I'll keep you all posted!

Jan H
Breeding Stock
Username: Jan_h

Post Number: 329
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:31 pm:

Stormy Raven, Jan, Kris, and so many others have said it so well, that they support you but want only the best for you. Hang in there Stormy you are surrounded by friends here, I am sure that everyone knows how frustrating it is for you. Do what you must....finances as they are. Many people here care about you. Many do not want to see you hurt, myself included. Everyone here wishes to suppoort and help you. If she is not pregnant it may just be a blessing in disguise...Foals are such expensive things the first year. It might help you get a little cash saved up for a future foal next year if she were not pregnant since you did not breed her anyway. Sometimes God works in mysterious ways. What ever happens...We are your friends and we are here for you no matter what! ((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))

sandra dillard
Weanling
Username: Magnolia

Post Number: 38
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:45 pm:

stormy, just wanted to share with you, here's a couple of pics of my mustang Patience....
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/sddillard/Horses/patience.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g100/sddillard/Horses/patience2.jpg
They are beautiful animals!!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 261
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:51 pm:

Thanks Jan! I am going to start the new thread when I get home tonight...then we don't have to scroll so far down on this one. I will take pictures if I can on level ground and I will also get some of the pasture grass. Maybe someone else will pick up fescue that I may have missed? Anything is possible at this point! I don't recognize any fescue even from the pictures Kris sent me, which was great, thank you Kris! So I'll let you all know what happens tonight with the vet and what he decides (whether he will come tonight or not or just make an appointment with me) and what I find with Missy! Look for this on the new thread which I will call "Missy's Update Thread" like Kathee suggested.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 262
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 03:59 pm:

wow Sandra, She IS beautiful! She gives the sort of look that I was speaking of way earlier about Missy always being "tight bodied" I don't have any real before pictures that I can share online but I can kind of use Patience as an example here...they are more stocky in the front but Missy's belly was also up and tight like this. I see such a comparison in the two looking at the picture of Missy seven years ago that sits on my desk and looking at your mare. I just wish I had a scanner. Where did you get her from? The brand is even similar to Missy's. I am even seeing some of the same face shape. How strange!

sandra dillard
Weanling
Username: Magnolia

Post Number: 39
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 04:12 pm:

It's a long story with her, to make it short, a neighbor had her, don't know how she ended up with her but she just up and moved to another state. She thought someone was taking care of her and about six weeks later, she called me and told me she found out the person that was supposed to be taking care of her had not been. She told me if I could catch her, I could have her.....It took several,several weeks of PATIENCE to even get near her. She would blow like a dear and run and hide in the bushes. After all that, i finally got her to trust me (going over there every day) and we built a chute from her barn to our trailer and got her in it. It went a lot smoother than I thought. I'm so glad we got her when we did because we got her home in Late July. The place she had been staying in got destroyed completley by hurricane Katrina. All of her fence was down. There's no telling what would have happened to her. Anyway, Do you know how to read the brand? if not, go to the BLM's mustang website, there is an article explaining the brand. It's called the angle brand. It will tell what year she was foaled and what state she came out of. very interesting to learn......And yes, she is much more stout and "tight bodied" than my other horses. Solid as a rock!!!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 263
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 04:20 pm:

these aren't great since I'm taking a picture of a picture but they may give a general idea to her "normal" body shape..
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/f93be22e.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i299/StormyRood/b85ec77d.jpg[/IMG]

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 264
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 04:23 pm:

I sent you my pictures through a picture! {lol} I didn't know about the brand...but have always wondered! Thanks a lot for telling me how! I will do that!

Donna Harris
Weanling
Username: Matdonna

Post Number: 43
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 04:28 pm:

wow that is a huge difference........foal, foal, foal!!!!!!!!!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 265
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 04:39 pm:

hehe

I told you she isn't usually fat! Well, I really am getting off of here now. I need to get ready to leave and the girls are down for a nap. I cannot take them anywhere without one today!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 266
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 05:41 pm:

what a day! I have not even been able to leave yet. The kids are being horrible today, fighting and won't take a nap. One is sleeping out of three. I am going to get them out of bed soon and head out, I guess, although I do dread taking them anywhere like this. I hope things go better once I get there to see Missy!

Jan Owen
Yearling
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 68
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 05:49 pm:

Stormy,
Was very pleased to read through your posts today. The kids will probably fall asleep as soon as the car hits the road. It always worked with mine. I am anxiously awaiting the "Missy" hot line! Hang in there and enjoy life! Life is Good!

Lindsey
Neonate
Username: Whitcomb

Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 05:52 pm:

Stormy,
Yes I am close to Fort Bragg, Do you know where Branscomb is? Its North east of Fort Bragg about
a 40minut drive. We are right in a Redwood grove.

Yes I do have a Pregnant mare her name is Sox. I bought her in Feb she was already bread, she is due any time now, But the exact breading date was unknown, she was out with 11 other mares and a stud.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 267
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:09 pm:

Jan, rest assured..that new post will be up tonight. I am hoping to kick it off with some real news, like a vet report! We'll see! I am going to give the kids a few minutes then we're leaving. The car ride does work but I have to make a stop to see my Grandma on the way and she will no doubt hipe them up!

Grandma's are bad, Great-Grandma's are worse for spoiling! {hehe} But the world is so much better with them in it!

Lindsey, I don't know your town by name but have been all up in that area. My last trip up that far (besides just Fort Bragg) was with my husband and his cousin, who was my best friend since childhood. He had been stuck in Garberville and when we went back to get his stuff a few days after taking him home with us, we took the long way from Fort Bragg, up the redwoods. What pretty country! That trip will forever be lodged in my heart because that was the best time we had with him. Unfortunately, he commited suicide a year ago last November. So that area up there holds more special memories for me than any other!

Lindsey
Neonate
Username: Whitcomb

Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:27 pm:

Stormy,
It is a great place to live. I am sorry about your Husbands cousin.

My husband also owned a Mustang. We had to sell her thuogh. She dindnt like me much, but was in love with my husband and she got a little moody when I came around. But now she is doing well and does riding lesson with beginers & kids.
I have a pic some where of her with my three month old daughter sitting on her.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 268
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:34 pm:

I bet it is really cool living over there. I have always loved it!
Mustangs are strange like that...they are pretty much "one owner" horses, especially when they have been handled mainly by that one person. It is really cool that they could turn her into a beginner horse! Missy loves my husband but gets more moody with him than me. She gets downright PO'd when he tries to make her do anything. I "ask" but do get results with her. I would love to see the pics you have.

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 269
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:36 pm:

Wouldn't you know it, I went to get the kids up a few mintues ago and the oldest is asleep! Oh well, I am going to get the other two ready to go and then wake her. Talk at you all tonight on the new thread!

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 123
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 08:53 pm:

Hi Stormy,

So glad you understood i wasn't trying to be mean....I don't know where you are. i suspect a good ways off, but to show you how much I want you to have a baby.... if your mare is not pregnant and you can get her to us (and like our stud) we will breed your mare to our stud FREE OF CHARGE!!! He may not be much to some, but he is an AWESOME horse to us... Great bloodlines etc.....

Here is a picture of him...http://community.webshots.com/photo/2967315350060158556FXFlNe

I think he would make a gorgeous cross with your mare. Calm and level headed.

Good Luck!

Kathee McGuire
Breeding Stock
Username: Katheekj

Post Number: 459
Registered: 12-2005

Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:09 pm:

Wow Beverly...he is something as far as I am concerned! What a pretty boy!

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 162
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:30 am:

Beverly- No I was not pointing nothing at anyone dear, you should not assume such a thing, just like i said most people on here have had some experience with foals i am sorry you felt like i was aiming at YOU with That GEEEEE Weeeeeeze lets not get all excited here. Looks like Missy is stressing every one out here.

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 163
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:43 am:

Beverly- Nice Looking stud you have there.

anita kabat
Breeding Stock
Username: Akabat

Post Number: 164
Registered: 03-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:49 am:

Stormy- are u online

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 270
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:08 am:

just got online. wow Beverly, I am awestruck. He is beautiful! I would be honored! Thank you so much for that offer. I am going to post the new thread in a sec. Long night, not much accomplished either. I called and called and called the vet only to find no answer at him home. I waited as long as I could but had to bring the kids home. I am going to try again tomorrow and see what I can find. Payday is not until Wednesday but maybe he will work with me, I am hoping!

Stormy Rood
Breeding Stock
Username: Stormyrood

Post Number: 271
Registered: 04-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 01:12 am:

Beverly, Where do you live?

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 124
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:20 am:

Hi everyone! thanks for the compliments..

i live in south Carolina...

Like I told you i hope you can get a baby. we will even give you a live foal guarantee.

Hope you find out something soon...Let me know!

Jenn
Breeding Stock
Username: Jenn

Post Number: 144
Registered: 01-2006

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:41 am:

Breverly, your boy is gorgeous. What is his name?

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 126
Registered: 03-2005

Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:03 pm:

Thanks Jenn. His registered name is Sharpessuper Star but we call him Commanche.. he is really docile, but when he needs to be he is a "mighty stud" ! .....I thought we should have called him mighty mouse because he is so gentle, but yet when it comes time for a mare he changes and when you ride him, he knows the difference between a good rider and a bad rider. he will walk on eggshells for a beginner or someone who is not sure of themselves and knows it when you tell him....you better be good..you have our kids on here! LOL.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/2204895540060158556djqiSi

http://community.webshots.com/photo/2393094380060158556TJtkRT

we kind of love him...Thanks again!

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