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melissa
Breeding Stock
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 134
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 02:34 pm: | 
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I wanted to know what all shots do people give their pregnant mares in her last month. My vet wants to give strangles, west nile, rhino, EWT,I have heard some bad things about west nile shots in pregnant mares.What do you all think?Also what wormer do you all give the month before? I was told you can give a month INVER to the mare the day the foal is born.
thanks MELISSA |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 485
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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Melissa, the wnv thing is important not to give in the first part of the pregency-as this is when the vaccine may have a negitive impact if at all, we don't vaccinate at all the first three months of pg. They baby is developed at this point in time. Any deformaties that would have happened would be from early on under most situations . With that said, if you are in a area where wn is a problem then I would suggest to follow your vets recommendations. I lost a two year old filly to the wn and its not fun to watch. The suggestions of the "lost foals group" is really unfound and not backed by enough information. I hesitated with the vaccine and after i lost a filly to the disease I started. Waited on pins and needles and delivered two healthy, large fillys. Continue to vaccinte for the virus as it is in our area.
The other vaccines are fine, and we would give all but maybe the strangels. Not enough proof of the vaccine to do any good,and we really don't have any touble with strangles in our area. I have read some mixed thoughts on that vaccine. |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 262
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 03:15 pm: |
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Melissa- our vet says not to give the rhino and I asked her about worming the mares right before foaling, she didn't advocate that either. I guess it all depends on who you ask what answers you get!
Jos- what do you advocate in the way of vaccines/wormer for brood mares and when? |
melissa
Breeding Stock
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 136
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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Kim,
I gave my mare Annie last year strangles shot, ewt shots that was the only shots I gave a month before foaling. This year I was unsure on what all to do. I am worried about the west nile shots, because some people said the foal where born dead. I do give the west nile shots when the foal is weaned. I just would hate to lose a foal, because of a shot.
E Watkins,
I wormed Annie last year two weeks before foaling, because we didn't know when she was going to foal. Annie had a nice stud colt last year.
Thank you for your all help,
MELISSA |
melissa
Breeding Stock
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 137
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 03:23 pm: |
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So does anyone give the rhino in the last month of pregnant. I gave her the 5 mos, 7 mos and 9 mos pneabort shots.
thanks melissa |
Peggie M
Neonate
Username: Peggie_m
Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 03:59 pm: |
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Melissa: My mare (were at day 345 today) received Influenza, Encephalitis and Tetanus (one month ago tomorrow). She was also wormed 3 weeks ago. I live in Canada and we regularly immunize for wn in horses that are not in foal. Any suggestions on the best time to immunize mare and foal for wn. Thanks! |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 263
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 04:01 pm: |
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Melissa- I gave my mares a 5 way last year(which included rhino), (was doing what the book I had told me to) but my vet has told me to do otherwise since then. She says to give them a 4 way instead. When I mentioned worming within 24 hours of foaling, she didn't agree with that either. She said wait till the foal is 30 days old and then worm him with Panacure. <shrug> I hate getting conflicting advice..it makes it hard to know the correct thing to do! |
Cathy
Breeding Stock
Username: Cathy
Post Number: 110
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 04:35 pm: |
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Below is the link to the AAEP vaccination quidelins. I vaccinate my mares for EEE,WEE,flu, rhino, tetnus and WNV as close to 315 days as possible.
http://www.xcodesign.com/aaep/displayArticles.cfm?ID=171 |
Kathee McGuire
Breeding Stock
Username: Katheekj
Post Number: 151
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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On advice of my vet, I gave my mare the rhino at 5, 7, and 9. She received the wn and tetnus at 316 days (hoping to be in a 2 week zone to foaling). She was also wormed with Ivermectin (sp)at 316 days. |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 265
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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Thanks Cathy, the vets here seem to think giving the rhino when they are pregnant is a "no-no", I'll check out the site! Ev |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10524
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 05:37 pm: |
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We recommend giving whatever vaccinations are appropriate for your area about 30 days prior to foaling to increase antibody levels in the colostrum. For example Potomac Horse Fever would probably be inappropriate in California, but essential in Ohio. Exactly what will be suitable for your area can be determined between you and your vet. Having said that, I would encourage you to seek a different opinion, or clarification on the need for EHV-1 ("Rhino") vaccination. The virus is a leading cause of abortion in the equine, and vaccination is recommended at a minimum of 5, 7 and 9 months of pregnancy, at 3 months as well in high-risk animals, and 11 months if foaling has not occured by then. You must make sure that you use the correct vaccinations for this strain - "Pneumabort-K" and "Prodigy" are the ones labelled for use in North America.
When deworming the pregnant mare, avoid organophosphate dewormers - there aren't currently any available for equines in NA, but elsewhere in the world there might be. Deworm the mare on the day of foaling with Ivermectin. That will protect the foal against Strongylus westerii and also help prevent foal-heat scours. Regular deworming during the pregnancy is also important.
We try to avoid mare contact with any toxin during the first 90 days of pregnancy, and this will include deworming, vaccination and environmental toxins. Note however that the risk of damage to the developing fetus is slight, so in the event of an outbreak of a disease, vaccination is still going to be the better bet. |
melissa
Breeding Stock
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 139
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Thank you all for your advice about shots and wormer. I am all for helping hands on this stuff. So alot of you give the west nile shot to pregnant mares will no problems? I don't think I should give the rhino during this late pregnant. I gave the rhino for pregnant shot at 5,7,9 mos.I just want a healthy mare and foal in the end.
THANKS melissa |
Amber Tedford
Weanling
Username: Amber
Post Number: 42
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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Melissa, I've given all of my horses, pregnant mares included, a west nile vaccine w/ no problems. i vaccinated my mare (5 way) in Oct. and she foaled today. The vet informed that there was no need for me to give another round of vaccinations <shrug>. We did have to tube our filly because her levels were low, but I think this was from the fact that my mare had leaked quite a bit of her colostrum out the night before. Has your vet given you any advise for your area? |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 267
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Jos- thanks for the information, what you have said is right in line with what I've read, but when I have 2 vets here telling me not to give the 5 way (which includes rhino) and not to worm with the ivermectin, and a third vet who seems pretty much on the fence with the whole thing, it's hard to know the right thing to do. Our mares do get the pneumobort shots at 5,7 & 9 months, is it still necessary to vaccinate for rhino when they've been given those? |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 334
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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my vet recomends rhino at 5, 7, 9, and if not foaled 2 months after last (at 9) give it again. he also reccomended and i did give WNV, since we had a confirmed case here 2 years ago we know "they" are here. my mare was also vaccinated for WNV twice last summer while preg.
she also has received encehpalomyelitis(E and W), rhinopneumonitis,influenza tetanus combo this year 5 weeks before anticipated "due date".
i did not do rabies just because i cannot give it myself, our state has to be given by a vet. but she and the foal will get it when foal is 12 weeks and mom receives boosters on all her vaccines. I hope i have no probs from wnv!!!
i uess i did not know any of this till i found this site!!! |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 490
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 02:10 pm: |
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Kris, really , I have not had problems with the wnv, we also give it prior to conception and not during gestation. I don't know what is being reccommended while in foal prior to foaling as a preventitive. This is not listed on any of the mfg. web sites either, they list all recommedations for other vaccines but the wnv--they tell you to consult your vet. ?? I wonder if its not better to give it to the foal after birth ?
Loosing to the disease is really not a winning situation. It was very difficult to watch. We vaccinate our mares pre breeding and have delivered large healthy foals.
? do you give your mare her yearly shots and then booster too ? just curious. anyone else what do you do ? yearly and booster them too , or just yearly ?
In Indiana, it is law too for the rabies for a vet. We just don't do the equine as we don't feel that there is a need. but if we did, I we could get ahold of the vaccine to administer it, now the dogs are another story, due to them being a carrier and can bite (I know a horse can , but don't people vaccinate horses because they are the prey in most cases ?)we let the vets do the dogs , so we are covered by the law and insurance too!! The vaccine is now a three year vaccine! Yippiee same vaccine now licensed for three years. Makes you wonder how much we are over vaccinating.
Kim
Good luck |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 337
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 02:21 pm: |
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vet said because she was vaccinated early in season that some are only good for a porion of hte year and ios bes tto give again, my theory is cheaper to vaccinate than to not and have to replace the horse! i usually do rabies just because my horses are pastured in wooded swamp land (should they choose to go out there) and we have fox coyotes, coons, etc. safe than sorry!
normally the horse are only yearly, with the exception of foals, they are vaccinated and boostered in the same year. |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10525
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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Melissa: The abortion strain "Rhino" vaccines only offer about 60 days of protection to the mare, so if a mare is contracts the disease after that time frame and close to term, the foal may be born already compromised and likely to die as a result of EHV-1. Not immunising your mare is increasing that risk.
E Watkins: There is some evidence that suggests that the Rhino vaccines given to pregnant mares will protect against that strain in non-pregnant mares, but there is no confirmed research on that subject yet.
I'll not revisit WNV vaccines in pregnant mares again, save to say that all the scientific research is completely opposite the anecdotal non-scientific panic-mongering by a certain small group...  |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 275
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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Lol Jos, that WN thing is a touchy subject, isn't it ? so, my mare is now 11 days post delivery, I'm not going to breed her back this year, when would be a good and safe time to give her a 5 way vaccine? |
Elena Vieira
Weanling
Username: Opheliaimmorttal
Post Number: 47
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Hi,
I gave my mare the rhino at 5,7,9, and a week or so ago the 4-way. she is 312 now. thats what my vet recommended and i think i will work her pretty soon, on a site it says to worm 11-12 daus before foaling?
I didn't give WNV because I've hear horror stories, is it safe to give once the foal is born?(to the mare)
thanks
Elena |
