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Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 296
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 10:57 am: | 
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Okay, this is a gross question from my most recent obsevations of my mare. Throughout her entire pregnancy she has occasionally had dried manure pieces on her vulva, never in past had any probs, still not having probs but i am concerned she could. Her vulva is hanging long and opening a bit at the bottom. Lately(last week or two) her "poop" has been softer than her norm, and as she finishes there is a bit of "watery" manure to follow which runs down her vulva...do i need to be concerned about an infection since it runs right onto her open area?
its always there, if i wipe it off, next time she oes it is there again. do i need to be concerned? |
Deena
Breeding Stock
Username: Morganslil1
Post Number: 265
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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Kris other than washing it alot I have no clue. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 471
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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Kris, I think that there is more of a problem for something like this during the breeding time than getting close to foaling. All things are closed off and sealed at this time where as during breeding the bacteria can enter during breeding. If it continues to be a problem and you rebreed , you would want to make sure she is cleaned off before breeding. That is what I would guess--anyone else. |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 297
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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thanks guys! |
Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints
Post Number: 110
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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Kris M.,
Yes, this is cause for concern.. It can cause placentitus.. If the infection gets in there it can cause premature birth, placental seperation etc...
has her plug came out yet?
Just keep it clean. My mare is the same way... Most people who have mares like these have their mares caslicked...nEXT YEAR YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK INTO IT. It is not very expensive, but sometimes they rub them out so you may have to do it several times depending on your mare. this is just a precautuion.
Basicaly keep her clean as you can. How far along is she?
If she is a ways off keep an eye on it, if she is close then i wouldn't worry too much. If she is a ways off and she develops an udder fast, the vet would give her antibiotics. just keep an eye on her...
Good luck and happy foaling. |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 300
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 09:13 pm: |
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Beverly- thanks, she is 321 days and NO udder to speak of(just hanging skin and a tiny bit of thickening) i am not sure but i dont think she has lost her plug, not that i have noticed anyway. she LOOKS ready at any minute minus milk.(see her pics on preg mares thread). so knowing she is close is that better? no way to prevent anything at this time ...correct? just hope and pray! right? |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 304
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 09:37 pm: |
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beverly- should i wash her daily or just leave her be since she has been ok so far? i would just hate to be the one to allow "yuck"in!
IF i know when she will foal I will defineately was her well, but until then? |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 475
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 08:07 am: |
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Kris, how far is your mare? what is her due date? The closer to foaling they will take the castlick out ... I believe that they put a few stiches in ., and will remove them with a few weeks prior to foaling.
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/VulvalConformation.shtml
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/DirtyMare.shtml
Here are two articles on this site to read. There are some pics there so you have a better idea if your mare falls into this catagory. I would certernaily be careful not to do this procedure unless truely necessary. It sounds that the procedure is sometimes overdone. Sometimes it sounds if you increase the mares overall weight the situation corrects itself--if weight is a issue. |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 308
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:59 am: |
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kim k, she is 322 now, she has never had a uterine infection, and has foaled 2 others just fine, but she has never had this prob until now. I am thinking because she is getting so long getting ready to birth. i am just wondering if i should be washing her daily or just leave her to be until foaling in imminent? |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 477
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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Well, others will certianly have their opinouns too, but depending on how she actually looks ?? and how big of a problem it seems to be ?? I would have to think that if you do clean her up , to make sure that its rinsed away instead of pushed inside--sometimes we humans can interfer too much with nature! Look over the situation and see what you see, if it looks just to be bits hanging on , I would have to question it, if the vulva is protruding and catching a ton of it, then i would be concerned, but you are close to foaling and the castlick I don't believe would be done at this stage, your too close to the main event. I would think that only having two babys would not cause the trouble and if she was fine then it should not be a genitic problem. And if she had two normal births with no complications--tears , then the problem sounds like it may only be minor and do what your comfortable with. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 478
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Well, others will certianly have their opinouns too, but depending on how she actually looks ?? and how big of a problem it seems to be ?? I would have to think that if you do clean her up , to make sure that its rinsed away instead of pushed inside--sometimes we humans can interfer too much with nature! Look over the situation and see what you see, if it looks just to be bits hanging on , I would have to question it, if the vulva is protruding and catching a ton of it, then i would be concerned, but you are close to foaling and the castlick I don't believe would be done at this stage, your too close to the main event. I would think that only having two babys would not cause the trouble and if she was fine then it should not be a genitic problem. And if she had two normal births with no complications--tears , then the problem sounds like it may only be minor and do what your comfortable with, thats my thoughts ??
Kim |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 310
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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thanks kim!
im thinking ill just leave well enough alone as to not interfere too much, and if i think or know she will foal soon i will clean her up good. |
Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints
Post Number: 112
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 09:17 am: |
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Hi Kris M,
Sorry it took me sooo long to get back to you. I am on "foalwatch" too. My mare has waxed last night so i guess we are coming to the finish line. LOL.
Just try to keep her clean. Just like Kim K. said....Everyone has their own opinions, BUT.....
You have 11 months almost invested in this mare, plus the money and all the "extras". To me it would be better safe than sorry.
I have seen foals lost from placentitus. (from the open vulva and manure causing infection) and it is soo sad to have a foal lost due to it taking a "little" extra precaution. It can cause the placents tot hicken also and if you are not there whent he mare foals the foal may not get out of the bag. We just buried a foal for a neighbor who was out of town and his mare was this way and the foal was not able to get it head out of the sack and died. VERY SAD!
I am not trying to scare you, just trying to make you aware of the things that can happen. i know because i am in the same situation. I am praying my mare and foal will be ok and i hope and pray your mare and foal will be fine too.
Yes, sometimes people interfere with mother nature, but think of it this way.... your mare is not wild. she has been domesticated, so therefore we have to provide the things that "mother nature" would have given them if they WERE out in the wild. Good Luck. hope all goes well.
SORRY SO LONG WINDED! |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 320
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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thanks! i will keep close eye on her for any abnormalities, what to look for if she has placentitis? fever? discharge? anthing else?
I am making every attempt and effort to be there when she foals! she is right outside my bedroom window, so i am hoping if i dont check on her often enough during the night that i will hear her! (shes only like 20 feet away!) her first foal was born in bag, umbilibal wouldnt break, it had to be cut,and was a "dummy" foal, she is ok now though. i still own her, she will be 11 this march 27th! well thanks again! and i hope your mare and foal will be ok too! |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10522
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 12:46 pm: |
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Seeing as she is at 321+ days, I wouldn't be too concerned at this point. The foal should be viable if born, even if prematurely.
In other situations, your veterinarian would be able to evaluate the CTUP (combined thickness of uterus and placenta) using transrectal ultrasound. Abnormal thickening would be indicative of placentitis.
Othere than that there may be no indication of an impending abortion as a result of placentitis - or you may see the ususal signs such as mammary development, inappropriate lactation, dischsarge etc. |
Tansy Brassfield
Weanling
Username: Spccutnoak
Post Number: 33
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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I have a mare boarded here that is 329 days today bred to our stallion. She probably should have had a caslick put in, since she has manure all over the outside of the vulva, there is also a small amount of yellow looking pus and her Vulva is blood tinged? Do you think she could have an infection, if so do you think it will affect the baby. She looks ready to pop anytime. |
J.R.Hamilton
Yearling
Username: Cobbreeder
Post Number: 51
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 08:17 pm: |
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Alittle late to put a caslicks in at this time.
This is usually done when a mare's physical structure in the normal non pregnant state allows manure to routinely slide down the vulva which can be a cause of infection.
On a breeding mare that has this attribute.... a caslick's is usually performed after the last breeding and pregnancy is confirmed and then is opened about a week or so before expected due date as to not let her tear while foaling .
I would ask my Vet about the other issues esp.....where she is about to foal out( can you get a culture done of the "pus" substance??..it may give you an idea of what specific bug you may need to treat for afterwards....as to what can be done after she foals out... whether or not she has an infection or is developing one. Treatment will be determined on those results and whether or not the mares cleanses well after the foaling.
Length of time placenta stays in etc and how much drainage she'll have afterwards and how quickly they tone back up.
If an infection...you are probably looking at uterine lavaging if alot of "left over fluid" that doesn't pass outward by exercise or normal absorption and then treatment with uterine anbiotics being flushed in at least 3 X while cervix is still open and then oxytocin given within a limited period of time after each infusion to force the remaining fluid out.
Certainly if she continues with exaggerated length of vulva and observation shows her to be a candidate for a caslick's, even if not rebreeding ... I do this routinely on any mare that needs it.
No sense in letting an infection settle itself in for the long haul( even without symptoms) . It just makes it that much harder the next time to get her cleaned up and out and get her bred. |
