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Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 148
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 02:15 pm: | 
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Now - We all worried people thought we were mad smelling the hormone change on our mares - but I acyually took photos of my mare vulva today! Unfortunately I cant anage to upload them though.
I dont know why I looked now, maybe it looked like there was dry blood, maybe I was just looking at the colour of her so I could compare at a later date...Im not sure - but there wasnt so much a discharge as just some really small bright red clots inside as I pulled to check the colour, It looked as though she may have bleed but there was no blood outside anywhere...? Not on her legs, the side of her bum or anywhere.
I saw this today and havent called the vet on the basis everything else is as normall and that there is noone at the vets to speak to - but I will call tomorrow because I always have to ask when I dont know myself...
But I would really really really apreciate some feedback here..?
Jos, Kim k, jan, anyone there!? |
Rousseau
Neonate
Username: Epona5
Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 02:27 pm: |
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it is completely normal to observe varicose veins in the vagina walls at the end of pregnancy, maybe that's what you see, it can look quite ugly. |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 149
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 02:38 pm: |
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Im not sure that that is what it is - It was not attached to her - I could wash the clots away..? Is that different? |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 354
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
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Kim, a varicose vein is a vein that is larger and sometimes sticks a bit out of the skin. It doesn't sound like that is what you have. They don't wash away. It is a vein ! Alot of times a pg woman might get them on their calves or thighs, I believe that they are due from stress on the veins.
I am not sure what you are seeing. I would keep a eye on her until you can talk to a vet. When you check her again, try to make sure that it blood and nothing else . Take a clot and wipe it up and then smear it on a paper towel or such to see if it really is blood. Otherwise -I can't help you here . Never had any such experience!
Kim |
windy fillmore
Weanling
Username: Windyf
Post Number: 28
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Kim I had an 18 year old mare who was diagnosed with varicose veins last year she started "seeping" blood from her vagina and was actually dripping on to her legs it was very scary. She started at day 302 and I thought she was aborting we put her on stall rest and she delivered a healthy filly at day 314. I was told this happens in older mares late in pregnancy due to pressure. I would have the mare checked to rule out anything else. Is your mare older? |
Joanna
Yearling
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 69
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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Kim,
I noticed some blood clots in one of my mares vulvas a few years back and took her immediatly to the vet. (I was a novice breeder, this was my first year, and I freaked out at ANYTHING unusual ) Anyway, it turns out that she had actually some how injured herself inside her vulva by doing one of two things: Slipped and fallen on some ice, and maybe landing on a rock, or another horse could have kicked her. Either way, she was pretty bruised and cut up for a while, but it all turned out okay.
Joanna |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10476
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:05 pm: |
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I suspect that you could be seeing a leaking vaginal varicose vein, which is not uncommon in the pregnant mare. |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 150
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 07:54 am: |
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Thankyou all for your comments - Its really appreciated. I have called my vet this morning and as I described it and there was no external evidence of discharge she tells me I shouldnt be too concerned. She said she would expect to see enlargement of her bag or different movements of the foal, my mare off her food etc etc if there were a real problem. She said that she would come out if I wanted though to put my mind at ease and check the condition of her cervix and such, but I would rather leave well enough alone at this stage. I will check her for the next few days and call again if I cant worrying! Do you think I am right to avoid palpation if possible with only 11 weeks to go?
I havent checked yet today - she was fine this morning in herself though, Ill know shortly what its doing today. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 356
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 09:39 am: |
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I wouldn't palpate at this stage of the game unless there was a good sound reason to. You would not want to trigger labor at this stage of the game and it is possible to do so by palpation.
Glad to hear that it seems as if nothing is to be concerened about.
Learned something new today-- -- like to do that ! I will tuck in my mind for future use!
Kim |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 153
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 09:58 am: |
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Thanks kim k - and glad to be of use to you!!
I checked her about half an hour ago and there is nothing at all today. She still seemed just fine - maybe a little awkward on her back legs, but if you carried a balloon that size between your thighs, youd look awkward too! |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10478
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:24 am: |
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Late term (or at any point during pregnancy) palpation is not linked to a higher risk of pregnancy loss.
Chances are that you are not looking at a major problem, but if you wanted the mare checked palpating would not be an issue (assuming an experienced palpator of course). |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 155
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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Thanks jos, that means I will worry ALOT less if I do have to have someone out to see her. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 357
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
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Well, the vets in this area , certianally don't want to palpate at that point in the game--unless there is a good call for it, the same in humans too , they don't want to do a internal exam execept when it gets to the end--making sure baby is positioned correctly for deliverly. I would rather be safe than sorry.
Kim w.-- you said your vet doesn't want to palpate at this point either, follow your vets call. |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 116
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Kim- we had an older mare that dripped bright blood a couple of years ago, I thought for sure she'd foal that night and we'd have trouble. TWO weeks later she foaled out normally, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you..hopefully, everything will be AOK. Ev |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 156
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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My vet suggested it, but I wasnt sure. I wont be doing so at the moment anyway , as you say, for my own peice of mind, I wouldnt do it without good cause, simply so that I cant blame myself for anything later on. If my vet feels that it is necessary - which she didnt seem to, she just wanted to be able to help me put my mind at ease now, then I would go ahead at that point |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 158
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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Well, I have just been to the field again to feed and took another look - Im not really sure what I think - but there is, at the bottom of her vulva, a purple lump, that to me looks like it has a white transparent shade also, Im just worried that something is protruding at this stage that shouldnt be... It might be her sensitive girly bit that Im looking at, but the vet says the clitoris would be darker pink, but not purple. I think its best if she see it herself just to be sure though - So here comes the £55.00 call out fee!! Ouch. Lets hope its nothing and they dont need to do anything! Id rather pay though and put my mind at rest than worry forever, or have anything go wrong later. I got myself into this, and I knew it could turn out very expensive then...
What do you think Im seeing from the purple thing I have described?? |
E Watkins
Breeding Stock
Username: Evie
Post Number: 135
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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Kim- you'll have to let us know what you find out, I'm guessing a varicose vein.. (note the word "guessing") Hopefully, it's nothing major. Keep us posted! Ev. |
Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 159
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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YAY!
When I said just inside her vulva - I meant JUST inside - the vet took a much better look than I had realised you could!!
She said she has probably scratched it, the cervix is dry and there is no bleeding OR varacous (sp?) veins, everything looks just fine. The bag is not doing anything yet, which is good, the baby is active, and her belly is rather huge! We are good to go. Its nice when someone tells you youve got it right isnt it. Thanks for all your feedback everyone. Now just another two months to wait. Im very very excited again now and pleased that the vet is so impressed with my mare for standing for her without sedation - I like her, but Im bias ; ) Its nice when other people appreciate them too hey.
Thanks again everyone!! |
Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris
Post Number: 186
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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YAH!!! phew!
sometimes it pays to have peacr of mind, dont it? |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 383
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 01:28 pm: |
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glad to hear that there is no problem Kim. I didn't think that there would be.
Kimk |
Joanna
Yearling
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 73
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 07:29 pm: |
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That must be a huge relief for you Kim. Now, back to the waiting game. |
