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tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 12:44 am: | 
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ok, i have a sorrel filly that is 7 weeks old. Her sire's color is hard to determine since there are other factors at work including an appaloosa roaning gene. she has started shedding. Her face has lost alot of baby hair and is nearly black around her eyes down her cheeks and completely around her muzzle. her mane looks like she had it dyed red and now needs a serious touchup for her black roots. on her hocks in the creases she has some coal black hair where she had lost some hair before and in places where i think she might have scratched her lower legs she has black spotting. is that normal? I've also noticed some black patches on her rump. small patches that have lost some hair. is there maybe a fungus at work? don't most sorrels grow white hair where they've had injuries or whatever? her mother has been known to get tiny white patches over injection sites or scratches. Is it possible she's a bay? I've heard bays are sometimes born with light colored legs. Is it just wishful thinking? I'd love a bay. The spots on her hocks are about 4 inches long and about 1/2-3/4" at widest part |
Joanna
Nursing Foal
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 05:42 pm: |
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Could you post a picture of her so I can see exactly what you are talking about? without looking at her, my guess would be a liver chestnut, a bay, or a grey. Also, what colors do you think her sire and dam are? Knowing this can really help with the guess work of the whole situation.
Joanna |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 205.188.116.65
| | Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:14 pm: |
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Ok here are pics of the filly that I took today. I also included some pics of her parents that I had on hand. www.geocities.com/kkjrts/Jade |
Joanna
Nursing Foal
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 16
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 12:15 am: |
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From her parents colors, she may be a dark (liver) chestnut, but i am no expert. I would definatly have the sire's color looked at by a professional. Here is a link to a color information web page, you may find this helpful: http://equine-information.com/
Anyway, I hope you find the answer, and when you do , please post so I can see how this turned out, you've gotten me very interested!
Joanna |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 118
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 03:25 pm: |
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I have to say it appears as if the foals mane is black at the base of the neck. I would be curious to see how the colt turns out. Most of the sorrels that I have had do go through a shedding where you think they will be a different color, but never have seen the black appear at the base of the mane. |
TX Breeder (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 199.3.209.130
| | Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 06:33 pm: |
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I had a foal that shedded out exactly as your Jade has. He is now a beautiful Liver Chestnut.
My foal had a Chestnut dam with a dark Bay sire. I would not be surprised if your baby roans out around the flanks as he ages. It really is an outstanding color, it becomes very rich when protected from the sun. Most people rave when they see him all groomed up! |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 205.188.116.65
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 11:29 pm: |
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I will definately keep y'all posted. Truthfully i was looking for something besides just plain sorrel like her mother and until she started shedding i figured that she was going to be the exact same color as mom. Now I'm unsure as to what color she'll be. I've never been completely sure what color dad was, and when we bought him we were told that he was a paint. After much research I discovered he was actually a varnish roan appaloosa. But the base color still eludes me. He did produce a palamino foal out of a palamino mare i was told. But as far as I know those are the only two foals out of him and he was gelded several months after our filly was conceived. I would love it if her mane turned black or flaxen. That would be wonderful. Thanks for y'all's interest. Will check out the website above to see if it clues me in on anything. Thanks |
Joanna
Nursing Foal
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 17
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 05:27 pm: |
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Hey tflaf,
I was wondering if you had any new pics of Jade so we could have an update on her color. 
Thanks,
Joanna |
Kim v.
Yearling
Username: Twhgait
Post Number: 69
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 12:40 pm: |
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Great thread cause I'm having the same thing going on with my foal!! He was born a chestnut, although not as copper penny red as his dam. Now that he is shedding out, he's looking like a brown or a liver chestnut. He's got the same markings on his legs as your foal (the black areas by the hock that I too thought was a injury). He's turning out very weird looking! His sire is a spotted grey roan, but I don't know his base color. I'm anxiously waiting to see if he roans OR greys, but so far just nothing but liver chestnut! Here's a link but it's hard to see up close. He even has the dark color at the base of his red mane!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/TWHGAIT/upcloselegs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/TWHGAIT/siggy7.jpg
What do you think about this guy?? They seem pretty close! |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:10 pm: |
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Here's a webpage with pics of Jade's transformation. There are pics of her taken today and she has pretty much completely shed out except for some hair on her legs. Her mane is about half red and half chocolate. Her tail is red with chocolate roots. She looks to be a liver chestnut. I just love the new color and hope she keeps it. www.geocities.com/kkjrts/Jade |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
| | Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:12 pm: |
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Kim how old is your guy now? Jade is about 3 1/2 months. |
Kim v.
Yearling
Username: Twhgait
Post Number: 72
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 12, 2005 - 09:55 am: |
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He is 10 weeks this week. I took more pics of him yesterday: (still hard to see the color changes!) Your foal is really dark underneath...Legs doesn't seem to be that dark on his face and neck but his old injuries on his legs are almost liver chestnut
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/TWHGAIT/PDR_0058.jpg |
Tflaf
Neonate
Username: Tflaf
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 11:32 pm: |
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I think Jade was around 7 weeks when I started seeing the color changes. We live in TX so the horses would probably start shedding sooner and faster than cooler climates. She started showing around her eyes soon after she got the dark spots on her hocks. Now at nearly 15 weeks she's completely shed except for her legs which still have some lighter colored hair on them mixed with the darker hair. Hey does anyone have any thoughts on what colors look best on a liver chestnut? As far as halters and blankets and saddles and bridles? |
Joanna
Weanling
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 21
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 11:29 am: |
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Hey Tflaf, She is gorgeous! As for the halters and stuff, I would try out some maroon or burgundy colors. Or, dark blue or green. Anything with bold jewel tones would look great on her dark coloring.
Anyway, congratulations, she is quite the beautiful girl!
Joanna |
Tflaf
Neonate
Username: Tflaf
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 11:55 pm: |
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Thanks, Joanna. I think she's pretty great myself even if she's full of mischief most of the time. Someone on another site said she could change back to the red sorrell. I'm thinking she won't since her mane also changed to chocolate except for the red ends. Now it's time to sit back and see what other changes she has in store as she gets older, such as height and build and personality. Thanks again. |
TX Breeder (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 65.169.207.83
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:03 pm: |
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If you keep her out of the sun, she will be a deep rich color. In the sun, a liver will tend to sunburn to a lighter red sorrel. |
Tflaf
Neonate
Username: Tflaf
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 12:19 am: |
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her paddock is about half sun and half shade so she'll probably do a little fading, but hopefully not alot |
Tflaf
Neonate
Username: Tflaf
Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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Ok Jade's first summer she shed out to a beautiful dark liver chestnut. This summer however she has shed out her dam's red sorrel, but with roaning throughout her coat. Apparently she she inherited her sire's varnish roan gene. She even has a spot on her hip about the size of a silver dollar that is made up of an increased number of the roaning hairs. Can't wait to see how she turns out as she ages. |
Joanna
Breeding Stock
Username: Joanna
Post Number: 149
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 01:17 am: |
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So good to hear from you again! I was just thinking the other day about Jade, and wondering what color she turned out to be. Do you have pictures of her updated coloring? I would really like to see. I think it is so cool to see before and after pics of foal's coloring, as well as what the parents look like as a comparison.
(Message edited by Joanna on May 22, 2006) |
Marci Nadler
Nursing Foal
Username: Shadowsfire
Post Number: 13
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 03:43 am: |
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I've noticed that with chestnut foals, they start out red then shed out to almost a black red color and then go back to the chestnut color. But there is nothing wrong with a red chestnut.
But with the sire being a varnish (looks to be red based so she can't be bay or black)she could very well roan out-and varnish roans can get more and more roan as they age. My friend has one that was grulla as a baby and roaned out enough that she looks almost like my flea bit grey, and its definitely not the grey gene. I've heard the grey and appy genes together can cause the grey gene to accelerate and grey out much faster. I owned one and she started out black but on her first shed she was white-completely white, well except for black skin of course. She never did have any spots though. |
