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alison (203.59.82.185)
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 08:48 am: | 
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I would appreciate any information I could get on horse colour genetics. I have a buckskin mare which I have bred to a red chestnut quarter horse stallion. Is it possible for me to get a buckskin foal from this mating?
I also have a five week old foal which was born bay. As its mother is grey and dad a very dark liver chestnut, I am assuming that the foal will be grey. However the foal has no grey around the eyes or muzzle and is appearing almost black under its foal coat. Could it turn out to be liver chestnut, despite having a black mane and tail? |
Laura (67.250.210.91)
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 10:40 pm: |
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My foal is the same color, only out of a strawberry sabiano rescue. Let me know what color yours turns out. I haven't a clue past bay on mine...
Also, since buckskin has dominant black, agouti, and cream genes, and chestnut is all recessive, you do have a very good chance of having a buckskin foal, esp if mare has other buckskins close up in her pedigree. If your mare has a chestnut gene from one of her parents, she would be more likely to have a chestnut foal. |
Sandy (65.56.45.57)
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 11:32 pm: |
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I have a filly out of a palomino leopard Appaloosa stallion and a red roan Appy mare. Her color at this point is golden, like a palomino, but her mane is also golden, same as the body, and her tail is white with gold hairs through it. She has a huge white blanket clear to her withers with golden spots in the blanket and a golden dorsal stripe. Is she a palomino, a golden dun, or a chestnut or sorrel? I'm really confused at this point. Any input would be appreciated. |
liz (207.144.91.89)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 08:05 pm: |
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may be a perlino the are palmano with yellow mane/tail |
Sheila Archer (161.184.194.32)
| | Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:18 am: |
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This is in response to Sandy's question asking what the technical colour description would be for her new golden Appaloosa filly. According to the information I've gathered from various current and reliable sources, particularly Sponenberg and Bowling, these are the genes your filly has inherited: Chestnut(sorrel is same gene)- has no black anywhere on her body, Dun - has a dorsal stripe, Appaloosa - has Appaloosa patterning. From your description it is unlikely she has inherited Cr - creme (makes chestnuts into palominos). The reason I say this is because her mane is not creamy white. Dun dilutes body colour as well, so she can be golden without being a palomino. My guess is her sire carried both Cr and Dun, and passed only the Dun to her. These genes often appear together, and on a leopard it's tough to tell they are dun sometimes. Her tail is a mixture of white and gold because of the Appaloosa colour pattern "be white command" which starts from the rump and works forward, including influence on tail colour. I have several Appaloosas, and depending on the size of their blankets, they have more or less white hairs in their tails. Hope this helps! |
Amanda P. (208.170.225.98)
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
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I would just like to say that her foal can't be a perlino as each parent had to have a creme gene for that to happen, and they didn't. A perlino is 2 creme genes on a bay (black with agouti) base coat. Neither parent had a black base coat either, which is needed to produce a bay. I wouldn't venture a guess farther than that though because I don't know much about the dun factor and how it is passed or expressed. |
Beverly
Posted From: 64.53.77.254
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 08:40 pm: |
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Hi! question on colouring..... We have a palomino and white quarter horse and she was bred to a dark bay and white..... what color do you think we will get out of her. buckskin and white? black and white? or maybe bay and white? it would be interesting to know the colors we could possibly get. Thanks! |
Cathy
Posted From: 65.54.98.103
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 08:55 pm: |
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Beverly I can give you the base colors for this cross. The % will vary depending on the horses being homozygous or not for black and agouti. Paint % also depend on the same for markings.
Here they are.
Chestnut, palomino, black, smokey black, bay, and buckskin. This cross gives you a chance at alot of different colors!! Cathy |
Anonymous
Posted From: 64.230.180.155
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 06:34 pm: |
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I just found out that the 3 year old bay mare I bought is 4 months pregnant by a gold colored quarter horse stallion! The owner had her vet checked at 5 weeks and the vet said she hadnt caught!.. I insisted on a vet check and ultrasound to be sure there was no reason for her not to conceive next spring and wham! shes 4 months along. Needless to say I am shocked and pleasantly surprised, as is the former owner. Now, my mare is dark bay with black points and white in her mane and tail. Her father is a buckskin and mother also a bay. This stallion is gold colored. What color do you think this resulting foal will be? I have been told the mare has the red gene, and also the Agouti for Bay, so chances are she could have a sorrel, a bay, a buckskin or a dun, or a slight possibility of black. No matter what color, the foal will be homozygous tobiano as the mare is. Isnt this exciting???? |
Cathy
Posted From: 65.54.98.19
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 03:51 pm: |
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The only way the foal will be homozygous tobiano is if the stallion is also tobiano. Cathy |
Anonymous
Posted From: 64.230.155.34
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 10:23 pm: |
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oops sorry.. my mistake. I meant to type tobiano since only the mare is homozygous. :P~~ |
L&R Farms
Posted From: 12.149.186.66
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Actually, your bay mare IS black. Bay = Black + Agouti. And since her sire was buckskin and her dam was bay, there is a chance this mare could be homozygous for black.
And unless the sire of your foal is dun, there is no chance for dun from this mare. What color exactly is "gold"? That will play a big role in what color this resulting foal could be. |
L&R Farms
Posted From: 12.149.186.66
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 04:21 pm: |
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Also, she can't produce a buckskin as she doesn't carry the creme gene. Now, if the stallion has the cream gene, and she throws black and agouti, yes, you'll get a buckskin. But only then. |
horselady
Posted From: 64.230.154.207
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 05:05 pm: |
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the sire was a chestnut with two doses of flaxen gene which gave him a lighter chestnut coloring and an even lighter mane and tale. You can see pictures of him (Wimpy King Leo's Gold ) on www.customcolorhorse4u.com and you can also see my mare Sierra's Lucky CHick on the same site.
Both his parents were dark chestnut. This sire has two foals on the ground, one from Sierra's half sister, a smokey black (the foal was chestnut)_ and the other from a palomino ( which was a palomino foal)
I am hoping for a black based horse but I guess we will see what happens. 
Since her sire was a buckskin, would she not carry that gene in her someplace? or since she doesnt show any creme on her do we assume she wont throw us any surprises? |
L&R Farms
Posted From: 12.149.186.66
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 05:38 pm: |
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He is absolutely gorgeous!! If he is truly sorrel, then that's all he can offer. I don't know how flaxen works, if there is a seperate gene for it or what.
So assuming he is sorrel (chestnut), then your chances are black, bay or sorrel (maybe brown?).
As for your mare, no...if she had the creme gene she'd be expressing it. At least that's my understanding!
BTW, your mare is beautiful. No matter what the color, you should have a stunning foal! |
tflaf
Posted From: 205.188.116.13
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:38 am: |
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I have a sorrell QH mare that we bred to a varnish roan appy stallion. I'm uncertain as to the true base color of the stallion. He possibly has the silver gene which would explain the fact that his mane and tail are silvery with some stray dark strands while his body under the roaning is a light chocolate. I'm really wondering if he is a silver bay or silver black. He was also bred to a palamino mare. Maybe after she foals i'll have more idea as to what my foal might look like. I'm also wondering about how the appy pattern might pass down. As I said he is a varnish roan, he doesn't have a blanket, but he does have some small spots on his rump that are a dark chocolate. I do have some pics of him if anyone thought they might be able to name his color. Also he has one blue eye. what are the chances of him passing that on? |
Sandy
Posted From: 67.50.40.182
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 06:11 pm: |
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tflaf:
It sounds as though the silver in this stallion's mane and tail could be from the roaning rather than the silver gene.
Varnish roans are not really great color producers, but you do have a 50% chance of getting a spotted foal. Now you're not going to get a foal with a big blanket and spots, but you may get a foal that will roan out with age and then have the dark spots appear later on. Does he have all of the Appaloosa characteristics? White sclera around the eye, striped hooves and mottled skin? If he has all of that, he has a better chance of passing that on as well. As for the blue eye, I think that will also be a 50/50 chance.
Go ahead and e-mail me the pics that you have of him, I'd like to see them.
I've been breeding Appies for 13 years, so I might be able to help ya out a little bit on his color.
sheshai@netzero.net |
horselady
Posted From: 64.230.153.197
| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 02:19 pm: |
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Hi L & R farms..
thanks for the compliment on my mare. I adore her and she has the personality of a big puppy dog. She stand 15'3 hands which is big for a paint, but thats what I was looking for in a paint mare.
The sire is a chestnut. Both his parents were dark chestnuts according to the breeder, but both parents had this recessive flaxen gene, which they both passed on to the sire of my impending foal. Wouldnt it be crazy if my mare also had this recessive flaxen gene. It doesnt show unless there are two recessives. I can just imagine the look on the breeders face when he popped out of a dark chestnut mare with absolutely no white on her at all
He is a gorgeous horse for sure and a bonus as when I bought my mare she was supposed to be open. I had a pregnancy wellness check done on her to see why she hadnt taken before bringing her up to Canada, and surprise surprise, she was 5 months along !!! Vet didnt catch it the first time around.
This is her first foal so who knows what we will get. I know the foal will get the sires strong chestnut gene,- he has two foals on the ground from last year also on the website, one chestnut and one palomino - and I know my mare has one black and one red gene but at this point I don't know if she is homozygous for agouti.
I am sending mane hair to U of Davis in California to check as this will tell me what color her foals will be or at least give me a pretty good idea whether the agouti will be a determining factor. The breeder told me to make sure that Davis tests for more than one agouti since we already know she has one being she is a bay. How many agouti genes would there be? Two if she is homozygous and only one if she is not? |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 205.188.116.67
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:50 pm: |
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well the appy's two foals were a palamino from the palamino dam and a sorrell filly from my sorrell mare. don't see any signs of appaloosa markings or roaning on the sorrell (of course not sure how soon the roaning would show up since the filly was foaled just this morning lol), i haven't yet seen the palamino foal myself so don't know if it has any appy characteristics. no blue eyes on the sorrell either. guess that answers my questions about the app's base color. |
Debbie Burnett
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Username: Horselady
Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 07:28 am: |
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Congrats on your two new foals tflaf. Please post some pictures as soon as you can
Deb |
windy f (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 65.1.116.136
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 10:54 pm: |
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I have a bay roan racking mare bred to a palomino stud who we bought in late fall thinking he was a very pale palomino he has shed out to an almost golden palomino but he has two short white socks and a blaze, his sclera are white and he now has dime size white spots on his buttocks and in between his legs, they weren't there this winter, also he has tiny ears short mane and long tail. what color foal do you think she'll have? this baby isn't due til sept. but i can't wait |
windy f (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 65.1.115.219
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 10:07 pm: |
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i forgot to add the palomino stud also has a dorsal stripe and blackish(sooty) places on his shoulders and hip bones |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
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http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=DirectView&shareInfo=KnVVBp lenSNIKtNeGr2YAbL7pSznuyZZGVdQSDg2qcJWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d&pageName=AlbumViewFromE mails&locale=en_US
tflaf's Album:new foal
i don't know if you can follow these links or not. never tried to link to an aol album before. the pics are of the sorrell filly. i don't own the palamino. it belongs to my bro-in-law and i still haven't seen it. my little filly is doing great. i didn't imprint train, but have been spending time daily letting her get used to me. i couldn't pet her at first until i found out she liked having her rump scratched. i just moved forward from there lol. when my daughters came home wednesday from their grandparents they got to see her for the first time and she let them love on her. i've even been able to pick up her feet. she's just a curious little doll. the cat isn't amused. she followed the cat nose to tail til the cat found the opening in the fence. the cat hissed the whole way, but didn't try to scratch luckily. |
Debbie Burnett
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Username: Horselady
Post Number: 34
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 03:43 pm: |
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Hey tflaf;
I cant see your pictures. How about putting them on photobucket.com |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 205.188.116.67
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ok here it is again. hope it works. i'm trying photobucket. http://photobucket.com/albums/y236/tflaf/
I have seen several white hairs on her forehead above her star. i would think roaning would show up on her body first though. |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
| | Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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Alison--"I also have a five week old foal which was born bay. As its mother is grey and dad a very dark liver chestnut, I am assuming that the foal will be grey. However the foal has no grey around the eyes or muzzle and is appearing almost black under its foal coat. Could it turn out to be liver chestnut, despite having a black mane and tail?"}
you should check out this website: www.equinecolor.com/color.html
it discusses the grey color and bay color and also another gene which might be of interest: the silver gene. some horses with the silver gene are called liver chestnuts. this is really a very nice site with lots of pictures of examples of many colors and even what they look like in foals sometimes. |
tflaf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 152.163.100.13
| | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 11:34 pm: |
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ok, i have a sorrel filly that is 7 weeks old. Her sire's color is hard to determine since there are other factors at work including an appaloosa roaning gene. she has started shedding. Her face has lost alot of baby hair and is nearly black around her eyes down her cheeks to her muzzle. her mane looks like she had it dyed red and now needs a serious touchup for her black roots. on her hocks in the creases she has some coal black hair where she had lost some hair before and in places where i think she might have scratched her lower legs she has black spotting. is that normal? don't most sorrels grow white hair where they've had injuries or whatever? her mother has been known to get tiny white patches over injection sites or scratches. Is it possible she's a bay? I've heard bays are sometimes born with light colored legs. Is it just wishful thinking? I'd love a bay. The spots on her hocks are about 4 inches long and about 1/2-3/4" at widest part |
windyf (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 70.146.151.80
| | Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 11:19 am: |
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If she is a bay her legs would have been a light tan color. I have a sorral and white tovero stud colt and a bay filly. The filly had a black mane and tail at birth and greyish tan legs, she is 3 months old. She has shed off the tan to black.
The stud colt is 2 months and he is shedding off to be dark chesnut on the face and he to has black hairs coming in in places he's scratched on his legs.His dam is dark bay and his sire is a black and white minimal overo. Figuire that out the sire's dam is bay and his sire is a black and white 50/50 overo.
We are waiting on a foal from a bay roan sabino bred to a palomino due mid August to mid Sept. We have not had a foal with this mare before so we don't know what her normal time frame is. Hope this helps some. |
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