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Rectal Palpation - false result?

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LISA BREEZE
Neonate
Username: Truegrit

Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2011
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi New here, but hoping someone can help me with my dilemma. Sorry if its a bit long! I have a visiting mare with me. We served this mare last year, it came over and we served it again, the owners then wanted to take her home and got her scanned at 21 days by their own vet which came back negative (I have had several visiting mares whos owners have had the mares scanned by their own vet as negative and gone on to have foals). So as it is NFFR the wanted to leave her that year as it was getting late in the season and bring her back this year. On arriving 4 weeks ago this mare is enormous with a huge dipped belly, she is overweight but the owner agreed she looked in foal. Next day I had my vet look at her who on seeing her laughed and said 'its in foal isn't it' He then proceeded to do a rectal palpation of the mare but said he could not feel anything. The mare has now been with me fours weeks and has shown no signs of coming in season, in fact it is violent towards the stallion. She has what looks like milk production in the front of her bag only, but to be honest she is very fat and this could just be flab! Over the last four weeks despite being on very limited grazing she has got bigger and her teats are showing very subtle changes. thing is if she is pregnant she would be at 370 days now so overdue. The owners are not being very helpful, they do not want to pay to get the vet out again and have asked me to jab it to bring it into season (which I have refused to do as I did suggest this to the vet when he examined her and he was not convinced and said he wouldn't). So has anyone ever had a rectal exam of a mare done at such a late stage and got it wrong?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3307
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It would have to be a pretty incompetent vet that missed a 370 day pregnancy.
 

LISA BREEZE
Neonate
Username: Truegrit

Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2011
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well yes you would think so, (it was more like 340 days when he examined her) but he generally isnít he has done some pretty good work for me in the past and is very good at scanning and detecting very early pregnancies. However I have heard of two instances before where vets (two different ones both experienced and well respected) have examined two different mares in this way to announce they were empty, jab them with estrumate and a day or two later for them to give birth, both pregnancies were full term (or near to) and both foals were apparently alive. I heard this second hand though a couple of years ago, I had a hard time believing it myself at the time, (thinking the vets must have been incompetent) but not so sure now! I am at a loss as to what to do with this mare, I want to put her health and welfare first (and the foals too if she is pregnant), but donít want her to just sit in the field when she is here to be covered if she is not pregnant, she cycled easily last year and was very easy to tell when in season, that fact that she is so violent towards the stallion this time and looks so pregnant has me baffled, perhaps she is having a phantom pregnancy, in the many years I have been breeding I have never actually had one of those.
 

Pam Romjue
Breeding Stock
Username: Pammy

Post Number: 104
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you have a picture of her that we could see?
 

LISA BREEZE
Neonate
Username: Truegrit

Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2011
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll try and get one if it ever stops raining, looked like she had more bag tonight.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3308
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have her checked again by a different vet. Point out that the board bill will exceed the cost of a second check going at this rate.



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