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sandra dillard
Breeding Stock
Username: Magnolia
Post Number: 132
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 02:43 pm: | 
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Just wondering if anyone has any ideas about this. My stud just turned 4 years old, he has bred 3 mares naturally loose in the pasture. He has always been a very good natured horse, very well behaved and minds very well. We have never held a mare for him. We sent him to training about 80 miles away. he was gone for 5 weeks.
Now that he is home, if he sees us put a halter and leadrope on a mare he loses his mind and tries to mount her. Take the halter off her and he settles right down. He acts like he thinks we are going to hold her for him.... It has me wondering if someone held a mare for him while he was gone? Could he have just learned this by watching other studs? It has me puzzled. I have never had problems haltering a mare in the pasture with him, now, I can't. I have to feed him, shut him up, then get the mare.. Anyone have any suggestions??? |
Emma
Breeding Stock
Username: Emma
Post Number: 168
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 09:32 pm: |
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you could be right there or maybe he is just concerned you are taking his girls away again. Maybe he is a little insecure since he had his holiday. |
Gynna Meiller
Breeding Stock
Username: Jw_kings_excalibur
Post Number: 146
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:08 pm: |
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That would be hard to answer without knowing your stallion. They all have a different call for different things. Mine is very protective and usually quiet under his working halter( compared to his chain lead for breeding) but this year I have not worked with him and when he was let out it was for breeding. The last time I took him out adn trailered him he made a fuss. I had to get on him but I have to take the blame as well since I have not been working with him as I should. So that just tells me that he needs a refresure course in stud 101.
I also would hope that your trainers did not intentually breed him to mares without your consent... |
Tracy Smith
Nursing Foal
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 20
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 03:11 pm: |
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Can a stallion tell when a mare is pregnant and not by him? I know this sounds funny but my new mare I recently purchased is pregnant. I have brought mares here before but they have always been open. My stallion would be interested and talk to them but still be very well mannered. Well today I was walking him to turnout and we had to pass by the new mare's stall. As we went by he suddenly pinned his ears, bared his teeth and tried to lunge at her. He didn't get very far because I always walk with a chain over his nose and was able to get him immediately under control. I have raised him from birth and he is now 5 yrs old, I have NEVER seen him react this way. So, do you think he can tell she is pregnant? I hope he just doesn't hate her because I bought her specifically to breed to him next year!! |
Tracy Smith
Weanling
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 21
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 09:13 pm: |
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Update, I just got home from running errands today and my new mare was out in her paddock that shares a fence line with my stallion's turnout. He is running around, worked himself up in to a sweat. I'm so blown away by this since this is such odd behavior for him. I think if he got the chance he would try to kill this mare. WHY?!!!! Any ideas, and anything I can do? |
Jenni Luttrell
Breeding Stock
Username: Bugrace2000
Post Number: 395
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:11 pm: |
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I dont know if they can tell while they are pregnant but I do know that in the wild a stallion knows his foals and will kill any that arent. I'd just give him some time and see how it goes. Any chance hes jealous? |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 1510
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 10:17 pm: |
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Myth... it would be very unusual for a stallion in the wild to kill a foal, by him or not...
As far as the mare in question - hard to say. If she still smells of the other stallion that could be a factor (if she was bred live cover). If she is infected that could be a factor. If she's a colour/shape/something he doesn't like that could be a factor. |
Tracy Smith
Weanling
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 02:27 am: |
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Yeah, it was weird when she first arrived he was himself talking to her and very interested but as soon as they "met" thru the fence everything changed. Now he pins his ears and bares his teeth so I that's why I wondered if he sensed she was pregnant. The scent of another stallion makes sense. The other thing I was wondering is if he feels like he has to defend HIS mares. I haven't turned her out with the other mares yet and even when I put him away he was running the fence line looking out to the field for all the mares. I'm hoping when I start turning her out with the others he will see that she is part of his herd now. LOL Any ideas of what maybe else I could try? |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 1511
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 11:54 am: |
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If you are keeping your animals in a herd, removal of a mare from the herd environment and then attempting to replace the mare does sometimes cause chaos and rejection. Sometimes this resolves, sometimes you have a colossal mess. I personally don't like keeping stallions out with mares anyway, as I have seen too many injuries resulting, and have had to deal with the inherent problems of pasture breeding. To me the best solution would be to turn this mare out with other mares, and not the stallion, then you don't have to worry about his response. By next year if you decide to breed her to him, hopefully his attitude towards her will have changed, but you will know that at the time of teasing, and in-hand breeding, and in the event that there is still an issue, collection and insemination may be the safest and best solution. |
Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l
Post Number: 112
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 12:14 pm: |
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Great advice Jos! I believe this will definately help her situation. Also, ai would be a good alternative for Spring. |
Tracy Smith
Weanling
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 23
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 03:31 pm: |
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Oh, my stallion is not turned out with the mares. He just shares a fence line with them and the mare I just bought hasn't been turned out with them yet since I was trying to dry her milk up from a foal she was just weaned from. I thought maybe he felt she was a threat since she hadn't been out with them yet. I agree about the dangers of stallions out with mares, I never do that, I use hand breeding. Sorry about the confusion! |
Tracy Smith
Weanling
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 43
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 04:31 pm: |
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Just an update, now that my new mare has been turned out with the other mares and they are starting to accept her, my stallion has calmed down. He's out in his pasture today that shares a fence line with the mares and all is good, calmly grazing. Hopefully we are over the hurdle! |
Jan Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: 1frosty1
Post Number: 628
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 07:22 pm: |
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Tracy, I am glad for you that things are acclimating....I guess we too would get worked up if there was a new woman in our house too  |
Laurie A Beltran
Weanling
Username: Prophecy_ranch
Post Number: 45
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:17 am: |
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Jan, Your still to funny!! LOL |
Tracy Smith
Weanling
Username: Tracys
Post Number: 48
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 03:01 am: |
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So true Jan! Gotta keep our dominance in our household! |
Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l
Post Number: 128
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 08:45 am: |
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That's too funny! LOL!!! |
