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Anonymous
Posted From: 66.90.230.149
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 04:31 pm: | 
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We have a 9mos old stud colt almost 10 mos old. We haven't see his stuff drop. We were told they well not breed until their stuff is drop or it will not take. My stud colt has not try to breed the mares yet, but I didn't want to be surprise later. When do you think he will try to breed(what age)I was told the stud colt needs to be 2yrs old and trained first, but what if it happens in the pasture before 2 yrs old. We hope he don't go through the fence to get to the mares.
Any ansnwers for us.
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Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 230
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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He is able to breed at any time now. It is possible for him to achive his duties even if his testicles have not dropped into the scrotum. It just depends on the individual colt. |
Jenn
Weanling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 07:07 pm: |
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From what I know it can vary from a few months on. I don't think that their testicles have to be fully droped for them to be "interested" in mares, and sometimes a mare cycling can cause a colt to sexually mature. It is my opinion that keeping him with mares is playing with fire. You can end up with pregnant mares and as for him needing to be 2 yrs and trained first, it is highly recomended because after they breed they are much more likely to aquire "studdy" behaviors and can be a lot more difficult to handle. |
Anonymous
Posted From: 72.48.104.239
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 09:41 pm: |
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Thank you all for you help with my young colt. I would like to breed him in the future. Does anyone have information on how to keep him nice as gold like he is now. We imprinted him at birth. I am afraid once we breed him he will be a different horse. My vet said some studs change some don't. I hope we can keep him nice like he is now.
thank you all for helping me with our first colt. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 235
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 09:53 pm: |
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Your vet is right, some can change, but many stay as nice as can be. Alot has to do with how they are handled and treated. Remember that they are animals and very large and strong ones. Treat him with respect and teach him to respect your space as well. Never over trust a animal, the first time that you turn your back on one and over trust one is when you will get hurt. They are not humans nor should they be treated as one, They don't have common sense, they learn by repitition and they have a instinct to survive. |
Jenn
Weanling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 31
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:50 pm: |
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Also remember to treat him like a horse. Many times studs are kept alone and confined. Horses are alway happier with company, if another horse isn't possible then maybe a goat, donkey, etc. |
Anonymous
Posted From: 72.48.104.150
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
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My colt is with a gelding and his mother who is breed by another stud. We hand him daily. We bring him into the barn for feeding twice a day. My gelding helps keep him in line. My children who are 16 yrs,11 yrs and 8 yrs can handle him right now I hope it stays that way. I get worried about him become a stud because he might change. I don't want to get him gelded, because he might be homozygous tobiano stud. This stud father was homozygous tobiano. My vet said he would make a great stud project. He is are first foal born here. My horses are like my children. |
Jenn
Weanling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 34
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:11 pm: |
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Is his dam tobiano? If his dam is solid or overo he is definately not homozygous. If his dam is tobiano he might be (50% chance) homozygous. |
Anonymous
Posted From: 72.48.104.150
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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My stud colt dam is a black and white tobiano mare and the sire is a sorrel and white tobiano(homozygous tobiano gene). I knew last year that I was going to have a paint foal, because the stud was homozygous tobiano. This sire was tested. I haven't had my stud colt tested, because I don't have the sire. I own the dam not the sire. I was told by the vet I would have to pull blood work from all three to test him for the homozygous tobiano. Could I send in just my dam and the stud colt blood work?I don't know if my mare is homozygous or not. My mare parents were both tobiano black and whites. My mare have had all tobiano so far, but she was breed to tobiano studs. This year she was breed to solid stud for 2006. |
Jenn
Weanling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 35
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 01:31 pm: |
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http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/service/horse/index.html
This is a link to the UC Davis website. They do genetic testing on horses. This page has an explanation of the tobiano gene and what is required for testing. I learned something that I didn't know, I did not realize that there was no simple genetic test for tobiano zygosity. You learn something new every day on this site. |
Kris Moos
Yearling
Username: Kris
Post Number: 51
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 04:27 pm: |
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any time he may begin showing studiness, To keep him friendly, keep him with other horses, if possible...(depends on his behavior), and expose him to a lot and make him behave, train him like you would any horse,but never trust him like any other horse. Also teach him that he can talk to the mares when out and about, but he cannot drop and show off, unless in the breeding area, which if you would like ot keep him as a stud but still use him i reccomend you hand breed and always us the same location, then he will learn he is only allowed to be a "stud" at that location, just what i did, and what i have bbeen told by some succesful breeders who show and ride their stallions. |
Anonymous
Posted From: 72.48.104.133
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 09:01 pm: |
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Kris Moos,
Thank you for you help about my stud colt. We are trying to teach him the best we can.I noticed you do home daycare as well.I have a home daycare as well. |
Kris Moos
Yearling
Username: Kris
Post Number: 53
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:32 am: |
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Anonymous- good luck raising him to be a gentleman! it is always nice to see stallions living a normal life instead of a life in isolation in the barn, and pastured alone!
what breed is your stud colt? We had an arabian colt who bred my mare (resulting in my first foal 11 years ago), he was jsut she of 2 years old, and i have heard that typically they are closer to 18 months before they actually can reproduce, but will pracitce much younger, but do not trust that unless you do not care if anyone with him gets bred!
you do home daycare also? I find it hard to sit at home and be able to see my horses and not be able to go out and hang out with them at any given time! I have friends and family on call for when my mare foals, because i know that i will not be able to stay inside with the kids when i have a new foal outside! i am anxiously waiting!!!! just for curiosity purposes...where are you from? |
melissa
Weanling
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 23
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 04:12 pm: |
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Kris,
My colt is a paint colt. I am like you about wanting to be with my horses,but I watch children as well. We live in MS. Kris I have told to you before this is Melissa. I put anonymous, because I didn't want to ask this question about my colt and everyone laugh at me.When is coming to stud questions I am not sure how to ask them. This is our first stud colt. We have only mares, gelding before.We had a stud last year for breeding only, then we sold him, he was nothing like my stud colt we have.The stud we had the lady had him gelded once we sold him.We brought him to stud out,but he was not a good stud to work with. I am hoping may colt will be a great stud colt later.
Thank MELISSA |
Kris Moos
Yearling
Username: Kris
Post Number: 62
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:48 pm: |
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well good luck to you on this one, hopefully he works out for you! |
melissa
Weanling
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 09:28 pm: |
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Kris,
I hope this stud working out also.
Thank you
MELISSA |
Jenn
Weanling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 39
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 01:47 am: |
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We all wish you luck. |
melissa
Weanling
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 28
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 07:23 pm: |
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I will keep you all update on my young stud colt.
Thank you all again for everything. If you all have more answers send them my way.
Thank you,
Melissa |
Katrina Noonan
Neonate
Username: Middie
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:32 am: |
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I have a 7mo colt that is always trying to mount his mother (he will be weaned soon as we will have a stall soon.). I was told this is a normal behaviour but it really irritates me because his mother doesn't correct him. I wonder if he is sexually mature because he can get an erection. Sometimes I wonder if he is just doing it because she is his mother but wouldn't dare with another mare. Otherwise he is a good boy to handle and work around, a real people lover. |
Jenn
Yearling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 52
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:14 pm: |
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Hi Katrina. What your stud colt is doing could have a few reasons.
1. Playing. Does he have other young horses to play with?
2. Dominance. Some animals use "mounting" to try and show dominance and his dam is just letting him do it. (Rolling eyes, sigh, "Kids")
3. Hormones. This is the dangerous one. He could be an early developer and is trying breed. You mentioned that he can get an erection, if so this is quite possible.
It sounds like he is a really good well behaved horse otherwise but I would recomend getting him away from mares or guilded ASAP. |
Kris Moos
Yearling
Username: Kris
Post Number: 73
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:38 pm: |
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katrina- i agree with jenn, my filly at about 7 months began mounting mom, which had me quite concerned as i said a filly, but we discovered it was her way of learning to play, and getting her mom to play with her because she has no other young horse to play with, she is now 9 months old and no longer mounts mom, but does rear at her and hold it quite well, so i attributed the "mounting" to learning to rear. Is he erected while trying to mount? If so then you need to remove him to prevent unwanted breedings!
good luck to ya! |
melissa
Weanling
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 32
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:20 pm: |
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Hello,
My paint colt has not try to mount any horses yet. My paint colt has not show any signs of trying to mount just yet. I am sure it will not be far off. My paint colt will be a year old in April. 2006 I put a picture of him when is was only about 2 mos old with his black and white mom on www.photobucket.com/albums/e329/MBhorses
Thank you all I hope you all like him.
Melissa |
Jenn
Yearling
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 59
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:49 pm: |
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What a cutie. I really like the mare too. The minis are also really nice. |
melissa
Weanling
Username: Mbgirl
Post Number: 46
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 10:30 pm: |
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Jenn
I am glad you like my horses.
thank you
melissa |
Lazy IDH
Neonate
Username: Lazyidh
Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:52 am: |
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I think this is the perfect place to post my question. I have a ten month old miniature stud colt that recently got in with his mama during the night. When I first noticed them in the morning, he was mounting her from the rear, had a full erection, and looked like he was ready to penetrate! I, of course, yelled and separated them immediately, but have no way of knowing whether he'd gotten the job done during the night or not. She was in flaming heat, and very receptive to him, in fact, she threw a complete tantrum when I took him away. She did have a thin line of dried brown blood around the perimeter of her vulva, and a tiny spot at the base. Perhaps the result of an overzealous penetration, or simply from the heat cycle???
My vet said to treat it as though he did breed her and we will lutalyse her in another five days. Another mini breeder told me not to worry, that it was highly unlikely he did anything but I'm still going with what my vet says. I don't want a pregnancy resulting from this.
Also a question for some of you miniature breeders...my vet is an expert equine vet but only has treated mostly large horses in her practice. She says normally with a large horse in this situation, she would dose it with 1 cc of lutalyse three days in a row beginning seven days post ovulation. But with a mini, she is thinking it should only be 1/2 cc of lutalyse three days in a row. Or perhaps just 1 cc. one day only...she told me to do some homework and find out for her, and she too would try to find out. Since this is breeding season and she is extremely busy, I'm sure she's already forgotten so I'm out there searching for the answer. A very nice woman breeder of minis told me she recommended the 1/2 cc. dose for a miniature, three days in a row. Opinions, please...perhaps from Jos, too? Thanks! |
J.R.Hamilton
Weanling
Username: Cobbreeder
Post Number: 43
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:18 am: |
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Consider her bred regardless and short cycle her regardless.."no need to worry" from another mini breeder is certainly not the best guarantee that nothing happened , short cycle her anyway.
Can you call a local larger Equine clinic within 50 miles of you and get correct dosage of lut. and number of days to give it?? |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Jos
Post Number: 10483
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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As J.R. Hamilton has said, consider her bred even if she wasn't and you will avoid an unpleasant surprise later!
The 1 to 2 ml dose is the "standard" dose for full size horses, but one can bring a ful sized (1,000-1,500 lb) mare into estrus (heat) using 1/10th (one-tenth) of that dose 2 days in a row without any of the unpleasant side-effects often seen with the full dose (sweating, cramping etc.). Consequently, if I were in your situation, my inclination would be to use that 1/10th dose 2 or 3 days in a row with your miniatures, and that should work with no trouble and minimal or no side-effects. You must make sure that you are at least 5 days post-ovulation for it to work though - it's not a "morning after" shot!
You can give this reduced-dose hormone using insulin syringes, which makes it easier to give to mares who resent needles. |
Chelsea N Davis
Neonate
Username: Cnd_2011
Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 06:34 pm: |
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We just got my stud gelded. He is 4 but his testicles did not drop until this year so was it possible for him to breed with my mares? I've never seen him mount them, so i could use some advice/opinions.
-Thanks- |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2968
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 11:53 pm: |
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If the testicles "dropped" this year, then they weren't very far inside the inguinal canal, so it is quite likely that he was fertile. Check out the article on this website about cryptochidism for more details. |
Cjskip
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Cjskip
Post Number: 1373
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 06:22 pm: |
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Anonymous, I would never recommend having a stallion without both him and the handler being well trained. And I would never, ever, let a child handle a stallion.
Please read the post, "attacked by a stallion..." Just something to think about. |
