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Stephanie Bean
Neonate
Username: Sport_pony0027
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:02 pm: | 
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Hi, I have just recently bought a 6yr old sport pony stallion about 5 months ago. We are in High demand for breeding LC. He wont allow you to touch him for cleaning? how do I make him stand quietly w/ out kicking out at me? he is a very mellow and nice guy who goes out with the geldings, I have never seen him get in such a bad mood before. Is this normal? what should I do? |
Terry O.
Neonate
Username: Ksfarmer
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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Work with him alot. Rub your hand down his side and belly a little further each time. When you start to feel he is getting ticklish stop until he calms down, but don't take your hand off of him. Once he calms down do it all over again and try to get a little further each time. Sometime it takes awhile but it works. |
Kim Winter
Yearling
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 80
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 12:18 pm: |
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As terry said above - but if hes quite nasty with it you can use a crop/whip as an extension of your hand to rub him with just until he gets used to feeling something around that area so that you are out of the way of any flailing legs untill the worst is over! : ) |
Stephanie Bean
Neonate
Username: Sport_pony0027
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 02:20 pm: |
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Thanks! I will try the crop first and work my way to no crop.  |
Kim Winter
Yearling
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 83
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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Let us know if it works - Did wonders for my mare and her ears! : ) |
Stephanie Bean
Neonate
Username: Sport_pony0027
Post Number: 4
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:27 pm: |
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Hi, I went out today and tried it out. He wasnt bothered by any of it. I thought it was kind of weird ... he let me touch him all over. |
Terry O.
Neonate
Username: Ksfarmer
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:34 pm: |
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I'm glad it worked for you. If you ever get a chance to see any of the "horse wispers" like Monty Roberts, Clinton Anderson, Pat Parelli do it you won't be disappointed. If you don't get to see them in person a couple of them mentioned are on RFD-TV (on some cable and on satelite dish). |
Jenn
Nursing Foal
Username: Jenn
Post Number: 13
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 01:21 am: |
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Implying Monty Roberts is on the same level as Pat Parelli ...... what can I say. Anything that I can say about Monty Roberts would come across as rude (possibly unprintable). I have seen him live and was very unimpressed (to say the least). He is an expert marketer, but his horse skills are highly questionable in my opinion. There are many excelent "natural" horse trainers out there (Pat Parelli and Craig Cameron are two that I have had experience with). It is my opinion that anything Monty Roberts has to say should be taken with a huge grain of salt. |
Deena
Breeding Stock
Username: Morganslil1
Post Number: 205
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:03 am: |
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Aw dont yall know Jos rules here you know why....
cause hes just that good |
Kim Winter
Yearling
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 86
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 08:51 am: |
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Jos rules?
Jenn - I personally like them all for different aspects - I have been to some parelli courses and my mare was a different horse! The only trouble I find with them is that they want natural horsemanship to be easily accessable to everyone for the benefit of all horses but they charge a fortune for the knowledge! I cant quite understand that... If I were rich though I would probably follow everything to make sure I wasnt missing out on anything : )
I tend to listen to them all, read and watch whatever I can and take it all with a pinch of salt and just use the bits that work for me, if I get it wrong the forst time round its time for a change of method..
At the moment I am looking at imprint training, I loved most of it but there were a few bits I think Ill leave - Anyone had any experience using this method? |
Kris Moos
Neonate
Username: Kris
Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 09:03 am: |
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Imprinting is awesome, it sure beats a foal who has not been handled or very little! I have had a few of my own and imprinted, and have bought others who were left in the pasture with the theory let them be a horse until they are old enough to use. that is trouble, the imprinted foals are useful from day 1 ... do everything to that foal the first week you plan to do in its lifetime! handle its entire body in the first 24 hours. my theory... |
Terry O.
Neonate
Username: Ksfarmer
Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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I don't exactly agree with all of them all of the time. I have gotten good ideas from all of them. Some of the ideas I can't get to work on one horse but will on another. Everybody is free to have their own opppions, I hope. |
Kim Winter
Yearling
Username: Clafairy
Post Number: 87
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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The only bit I didnt really agree with that I remember noting from the imprinting was holding them down? I read that they hold them from getting up when they are layed down to desensatize the foal to being touched whilst they are still laid down. they restrict them with lateral flextion of the neeck and bending a front leg to assert dominance - I will try doing imprinting simply by introducing everything I will hope to do in the future with the foal as early as poss as Kris said in his post - Like i say, read everything and just choose the bits you think will work for you in your situation. Thats always been my opinion |
Emma
Yearling
Username: Emma
Post Number: 100
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 06:03 pm: |
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Kim, i use a bit of everything to, i find some things work better than others as well. With imprinting, i have imprinted, not touch the foal and also handled the foal the first few days and then left them. I have found the best results are the last one. I find if you handle the foals every day they can get cheeky, you need to make sure if you are imprinting that you do as mum does, do not allow bad behavouir and put him/her back in line as mum would (other wise you will have a monster on your hands). I handle my foals for the first 2 days, then they go out in the paddock 'to be a horse'(they see me daily when i feed up and are not scared of me but are not all over me like some imprinted ones can be) they learn the ways of horses and when they are ready, they start to come up for a look on there own, once they learn that i offer lots of scratches i find them hard to get rid of, halter breaking is no big issue and doesn't take long and they don't scare as easily as the ones that are never handled (they have some trust in you already). I find this method best because these foals still know they are horses, and have chosen to trust you on there own without any restraint and they will flee if they have been naughty and have been repremanded. The imprinted foals are not scared of people at all and are more likely to have a kick or nip as they run off if repremanded (cheeky? naughty, probably). On a final note A little bit of apprehension is not a bad thing. |
Lisa Weir
Breeding Stock
Username: Pals_pal
Post Number: 109
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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Amen, Emma! |
