Well had several mares booked, paid, took the boy to be trained- had several ejaculations and once they started to look good we looked at it under the scope. 44% both days progressive fresh. First day the chilled (dunno why- what a waste of money) and it was 5% at 24 hours!
2 collections showed this. Vets say they doubt it will improove as the summer goes (which doesn't help anyway as mares were all booked for first collection in May. This boy just turned 3-, late bloomer. Any chance this will improove to normal amounts next season?? no vet will give me an answer on that. Otherwise he is getting gelded.
Anonymous
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 01:18 am:
Have either of your vets checked tesitcular development? Immature testicles, which can be normal in many 2 and 3 yr old stallions of any breed, can lead to poor concentration, motility and/or morphology. Often fetility will increase with a year or two of maturity.
Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 12:09 am:
Testicals appear fine- They were checked last year for the stallion liscencing. I am waiting to hear back from the expert expert at the university. I am hearing this is much more common in 3 year old WB's (and the vets i were dealing with had not delt with WB's before- just QH/s and TB's- who are much more quick at developing). I will ask the vet again about his testicals/appearence when we go in next week.
Anonymous
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:11 pm:
Has he ever been collected before? Sometimes it takes more than a couple tries to get a good sample. Usually it gets better as the older sperm is expelled and the more fresh semen is ejaculated. Also was the 44% the number for motile or progressively motile. The progresively motile number is usually less than the motile number. Give him a chance at a few more collections, to see if he just needs to be "cleaned out". Also the best test of his fertility is a mare. He may not have tons of sperm but what he does have may turn out to be pretty good.
Anonymous Posted From: 209.148.194.128
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 12:22 pm:
We have decided to breed live cover to a couple of mares. M Y belief is he had low ejaculate amounts due to the fact the Vets at the university were handling him quite poorly (i had my handler there- they were just cleaning) he went from being VERY well behaved to being very frigthened of them and cleaning time- to kicking- to which their answer was to put him in stocks, with stud chain, twitch and then to yank on him- because he lost his erection. Needless to say- Once i saw this (and my handler told them where to go as well) my horse will never be collected there again. As well they just wanted to right him off and said he was worth only a gelding. So live cover this spring- then we will be shipping him to another ER center in the fall for collection/training onthe phantom. We will build ourselves for next year or ship up to afriend who is set up
Jos Posted From: 142.177.9.151
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 12:59 pm:
While there is never any excuse for poor stallion handling - regardless of who is doing the handling - it is unlikely that negative handling will have reduced the quality of the ejaculate in respect to progressive motility and longevity. Both of those factors may however have been compromised by poor sperm handling. Total sperm numbers in the ejaculate may have been affected by poor stallion handling, one can see a partial ejaculation.
The figures you give are incomplete and inadequate to give a full opinion on the ejaculate quality - one would also need total sperm numbers, gel-free volume, sperm concentration and both total and progressive motility figures to achieve that.
Note that breeding live cover may well achieve pregnancies, but does not give an indication as to how successful one will be with a cooled transported program, as only 100 million progressively motile sperm are required for a breeding, but ten times that are required for transport. Additionally of course, not all stallions have semen that will cool and retain fertility, while they may be fine breeding live.
Good luck.
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