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Chris
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 08:53 pm: | 
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I'm looking at a beautiful two year old stallion prospect. He has everything I am looking for in a breeding stallion; impeccable lines, outstanding conformation, extrodinary movement and a wonderful temperment. I would buy him in a heartbeat, but for one problem. One of his testicles has not descended. What are the chances of his testicle descending at this age? He just turned two this spring, but I am concerned that his testicle will never descend. And then I'd have a really well bred, really beautiful, really expensive gelding. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I have read the article on Cryptorchidism and it was most informative, but I was just looking for more input.
Thanks! |
Jos
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 11:55 am: |
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As you will have read in the article found here on this site, there are different forms of cryptorchidism and the potential outcome varies considerable with the form that is present.
The likelihood of the second testicle dropping varies between 0% and 100% depending upon the condition category that this colt falls into, so it is impossible to give you an accurate answer.
If you are interested in pursuing the purchase of this animal further with a view to his being breeding stock, I would recommend that you have a competent veterinarian evaluate his testicular status.
Good luck. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2001 - 02:04 pm: |
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My three year old stallion just now dropped his retained testicle and it is much smaller than his other. Will it grow or remain small? I plan to use him as a breeding stallion because he has an outstanding pedigree, attitude and conformation. Because of the length of time it took to decend, is he still considered to be monorchid? |
Jos
| | Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2001 - 11:31 pm: |
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It is likely that the testicle will develop now it is dropped and become almost the same size as the other. Some however do not.
He cannot be considered a "monorchid" because monorchids have only one testicle. |
Kelly
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2001 - 12:30 pm: |
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There are many stallions that are being successfull bred that are true crypts.
I am not suggesting that it is a correct or desirable trait. However, considering the public opinion on this, it may not be a financially sound decision to invest in this stallion. Current studies have shown that crypt orchids are no more likely to pass on this condition than a fully developed stallion is. As research continues, opinion on this subject may change. |
Anonymous (152.1.187.9)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 01:24 pm: |
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I have a REALLY WONDERFUL Stallion, who unfortunately is crypt---it is palpable though. He has NOT thrown this in any of his colts. I'm sure there are those who'll say it's unethical to breed a crypt but I never lie about it, and tell potential clients that they MAY or MAY NOT wind up with a crypt. This is truly my stallion's only real "fault" and with his rare/uncommon bloodlines he is worth the chance of getting a crypt, IMHO. I personally think the lesser of 2 evils would be to spend a bit more money gelding a resultant crypt colt than than breed to something with less desirable conformation...Crooked legs and other bad conformation features breed on much more frequently/consistently than does cryptorchidism in what I have observed. However, I wouldn't recommend you buy a crypt for a breeding stallion simply for the fact that it's hard enough to sell breedings period---without having the predjudice against a crypt! If however you've got your own mares you plan to breed and don't need to sell outside breedings or don't care to show/promote him, do as you see fit. All that really matters in the end is that you are happy with the quality of animal you are producing... |
Kelly (63.172.47.215)
| | Posted on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 10:48 pm: |
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I totally agree with you. |
Anonymous (152.163.204.188)
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 10:04 am: |
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We bred our mare to a black & white stud and got a fantastic grulla stud colt. He is 4 and has only dropped one. We found out after the breeding that the stud we bred to was 5 when he dropped and we were not informed. Should the stud owner be liable for the expenses we will have getting him gelded. |
Kelly (63.172.47.195)
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 04:58 pm: |
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If the stallion was a cryptorchid, then you should have been informed of that.
The fact that he dropped so late is nither here nor there. It has not, as yet, been proven to be a genetic defect. Chances are, you could have ended up in the same situation with any stud.
If I were to stand a cryptorchid, I would offer a plan whereby, any colts foaled would get a "rebate" of a set amount. If they decided,( before a set age), to keep them as stallions, no rebate would be offered.
The fact is, this could happen to any stallion, crypt or not. |
gregbrownell
Posted From: 69.104.156.187
| | Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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my yearling colt seems to be sweating from his hind quarters only not all of the time only occasionally i have herd this a sign of colic but he has not dropped yet either does anyone know if this is a sign he is beginng to drop or has anyone had this type of thing happen he is a mustang he is with a filly they have just recently been given mineral block and in the last few days they have been switched from alfa berm pellets to alfa oat but he was sweating before this switch was made. thanks |
Anonymous
Posted From: 216.78.250.218
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 11:55 pm: |
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I have a mustang stud that is only 18 mths old but he has not dropped is that normal? The lady I got him from gave him to me and was under the impression he would never drop that he didn't have any? He has not been cut and I figure only time will tell and stud or other we're keeping him but we do have a mare were hoping later we could breed them. They are separated for now and I was just wondering when he is supposed to drop? At what age is normal? |
Anonymous
Posted From: 152.6.22.172
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 08:48 am: |
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My stallion didn't drop until he was three. I have a gelding that didin't drop until he was 20 mo., and I have a jr stallion, age 17 mo, that has only one. I wouldn't be too worried just yet. Hope this helps. |
Jonathan (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
Posted From: 216.227.5.135
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 11:49 pm: |
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I have a yearling that has dropped only one testicle; however, I've noticed the last couple of days that he is biting at his flanks and kicking. Is this a sign that he's in pain or maybe that he is beginning to drop the second testicle? |
Bunny Novak
Nursing Foal
Username: Bunny
Post Number: 11
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 08:11 am: |
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WE have a now gelding-who was a crypt stallion.His 2nd testicle was 7 inches in his abdomen.Outta 4 mares bred 2 were crypt colts.The other 2 were fillys.I would have to say-he had much more studdy behavior than any stud I have owned before.My vet says the retained testicle will produce more testosterone when retained.If you do decide to geld-it is way more spendy than a usual castration.Ours was almost $900.Potential foal/mare owners should know the cost is more to geld.Our guy is a wonderful now! |
J.R.Hamilton
Nursing Foal
Username: Cobbreeder
Post Number: 17
Registered: 05-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 09:04 am: |
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As to retained testicles.... there are some breeds that drop them later , BUT I believe it has been proved that this is considered a genetic defect,( Crypts or Mons) which means not only the colt or stallion in question being used for stud purposes will produce this but the fillies that are sired by the same have the possibility to pass on the same genetic flaw to their foals. Not something i would think any breeder would like to put into the genetic breeding pool regardless of the breed.
It does cost most to have them gelded , as you are going into the "belly cavity" to get the other ..just make sure they get all the testicular tissue. Any that is retained could continue to produce "limited amounts "of testosterone to some degree if at all... and you will still end up with a gelding that is slightly studdy.
I was always taught however because the testical was retained it produced less if not any productive semen because it was retained and and because it was up inside the body temp of the horse made it " non functioning"..... much like in human situations. And yes I think any one standing a Crypt should inform anyone whio breeds to it. AND I also feel that crypts regardless of "how good they are" shouldn't be stood at stud in the first place because of the genetic flaw that can be passed on. Personally... I wouldn't breed a mare to one or stand one at stud. |
Kim k
Breeding Stock
Username: Kimk
Post Number: 134
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 10:21 am: |
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I totally agree with the statements of JR Hamilton. I also want to say that inside the USA with the APHA and AQHA that these colts are not serviceable as stallions. There has been known competitors that have even implanted a fake testicle within the APHA (and I wouldn't be suprized in the AQHA) in order to show and service the stallion. The case I know of with APHA the memeber was suspended for lifetime as well as the vet that did that for the member. HE/she will no longer be able to do work for a member in good standing and have it reconized. Food for thought. What people will do! Foolishness. |
TX Breeder (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 199.3.209.167
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:29 pm: |
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Johnathan- It may or may not be associated with his testicle. Many stallions that retain a testicle do have pain depending on where the testicle is situated in the abdominal cavity.
Some stallions "savage" themselves when they become bored, or separated form other horses. They may bite at their chest, sides, flankes or legs. Some may require a neck collar so that they can not do so.
Keep a watch on your young stallion looking for an increase with this behavior.You may want to give him more excercise or relocate him so that he has some interesting sites to look at. Make sure that he is not isolated from other horses and has some safe interaction.
If he does escalate with the biting and kicking, you may want to have your vet come out for a look.
I do agree with the above posts that a crypt should not used for breeding services. However, I do not think that it has been determined wheather it is indeed a genetic defect. I do not belive that there are any conclusive studies proving that a crypt is more likely to produce a crypt that whole intact stallion. I think there are enough whole stallions around to choose from, why push it until all the facts truely are known. |
Lisa Weir
Weanling
Username: Pals_pal
Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:19 am: |
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Some time ago I read a study about this. It showed that the trait passes to about 25% of colts directly, but a higher rate of fillies passed it to their male offspring. I think that was around 75%. Unfortunately I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was enough to deter me from sending my mare to a cryptorchid who is VERY well bred and preformed. The risk is way too high in my humble opinion. |
Pia
Neonate
Username: Pearl
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 06:49 pm: |
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I have a yearling colt. Before dropping his testicles he seemed sore- shown by a slight drag in his back leg. He dropped one testile yesterday but is definitely VERY stiff in the hind. Has anyone experienced this? I have the vet coming because I am afraid it may be Lyme disease. Thanks for yout thoughts |
Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 1872
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 10:31 am: |
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Testicles are dropped within the two weeks after foaling at most (unless there is a cryptorchid situation), so I doubt that the soreness is testicle-related. |
