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Problems with New Foal

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carrie turner
Neonate
Username: Cturner70

Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2011
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello - Hoping someone can help as we are feeling a little desperate at this point. We had an Arabian colt born yesterday morning and something is just not right.
Background Information: During the last couple months of pregnancy, his dam had an extreme amount of abdominal swelling. It was first thought that she had suffered a pre-pubic tendon rupture, but after examination by a repro specialist, we were told that it was just severe edema and she was prescribed stall rest and was sent back to us to foal out (which she did ~8 days later). Birth was normal and mare passed intact placenta within 45 minutes.
This colt is very large and appears lethargic. He did not rise on his own immediately and it took nearly 7 hours for him to finally nurse...he did have a suck reflex at this time, which as of this morning he seems to have lost completely. He was sedated and plasma was administered last evening around 6:00 pm by the vet. Temp was normal and vet didn't note anything unusual. We thought that his gums appeared very dark pink with many visible capillaries, but the vet said that they were completely normal. Plasma administration went okay, but the vet did have to give him 3 shots of sedative because he did try to get up during plasma admin (which was the most active he has ever been).
This colt sleeps most of the time (for hours at a time and deeply). When he is sleeping, you can go over and hold his head and move it around and he does not stir at all. When he does manage to get up, he will wander over to the mare's shoulder or might even find the udder and bump weakly, but does not nurse. It is like he has the intention, but then gives up, or just cannot follow through with the action. He also wanders around and this morning, his owner noticed that he went to the mare's shoulder, and then just fell over and made no attempt to get back up. He does not have the energy and alertness of a normal foal (there are several others on the farm) and we are growing very concerned. As mentioned, he now has no suck reflex at all (will not even suck our fingers now) and so at this point he is not eating.
If anyone has any insights into what this problem might be or has had a similar experience, we'd really appreciate some input. Thanks!
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Sara
Weanling
Username: Sznanners

Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2010
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So sorry to hear you are having troubles. I wish I knew what to tell you to make this better. The only thing I could suggest would be trying a different vet asap. It sounds as if you are questioning some of his observations. praying for you and your baby
 

Susan Walker
Neonate
Username: Somedaysue

Post Number: 10
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am no expert by any means, but it sounds like your colt needs neonatal care and very quickly. I hope you are in the process of arranging that through your vet. As Jos has said repeatedly on this site, new foals can crash and burn with amazing rapidity. If I were you I wouldn't wait another second to be securing veterinary assistance for him.
 

Brittany Hindes
Breeding Stock
Username: Bhindes

Post Number: 224
Registered: 08-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My foal did the same thing last year. She had the same exact symptoms and it was dummy foal syndrome. If I were you I would rush him to the hospital for emergency either way. He may not have dummy foal syndrome at all but he has very similar symptoms. Once she hit 36 hours old she went down hill rapidly. Hope he pulls through for you.
 

carrie turner
Neonate
Username: Cturner70

Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2011
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes - we have another vet on the way now. Our normal vet and two very experienced horsemen with over 30 years experience are both insisting that this is not dummy foal syndrome (but it sure sounds like it is from everything I've read today). I think that they are saying this because when he is awake, he seems to know how to navigate, he just isn't able to do it very long before going back to sleep again (sleeping for hours on end). We did manage to help him nurse twice today, but just a few swallows and he wants to lay down again because he is just so weak. I am wondering if there are varying degrees/varieties of dummy foal syndrome. We believe that this must somehow be related to the mare's pronounced shelf of edema. Maybe it inhibited oxygen deliver somehow? Anyway, a new vet is on the way.
 

Pam Romjue
Yearling
Username: Pammy

Post Number: 71
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Prayers for you and the new foal! This must be very scary for everyone involved!

At what day did she foal?

Please let us know what the new vet says!
 

Brittany Hindes
Breeding Stock
Username: Bhindes

Post Number: 225
Registered: 08-2009
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any update? How is your colt doing? Hope it is nothing serious as I know the neonates go downhill rapidly. Wishing the best of luck to you and your colt.
 

carrie turner
Neonate
Username: Cturner70

Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2011
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank You. The new vet said also that this is not dummy foal syndrome. He feels that this is maybe a birth injury or some non-specific genetic problem. It is NOT CA, which is a genetic disorder that Arabians can be afflicted with which causes neurological problems. The sire of this foal is tested CA negative, so the colt by virtue of his sire being CA clear cannot be affected with this disorder.

The vet advised giving him supportive care and wait to see what happens. The colt went outside yesterday with his mom and trotted/cantered around a little. What is odd is that when he was away from his mom, he had no desire to move close to her or call for her...he just stared off in the opposite direction and didn't look for her at all. It's like something in his brain is not firing correctly.
 

Brittany Hindes
Breeding Stock
Username: Bhindes

Post Number: 229
Registered: 08-2009
Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is good news Carrie. Glad it is nothing serious.
 

hedgerow pony farm
Breeding Stock
Username: Lotsofponies

Post Number: 158
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you bottle feeding him since he is not nursing very well?
 

carrie turner
Neonate
Username: Cturner70

Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2011
Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He is being tub fed at the moment, which seems to have helped lots...we feel that he is improving. He is still not normal, but his good moments are happening more often now.
 

Sara
Weanling
Username: Sznanners

Post Number: 29
Registered: 08-2010
Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is positive news..Hope he continues to do well for you.
 

Cheryl Johnson
Neonate
Username: Cjskip

Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2011
Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How is he doing now? I sure hope he is okay.



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