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Should I worry

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Tracey Hoogeveen
Neonate
Username: Rrs

Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2010
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Tb mare is due on the 12th April. She has a very little bag, just noticeable enough to say it is there. Her belly is very big with what seems to be edema under it. She is still tight in the back end and has not changed her habits in any way.

My last mare foaled on due date and had no bag and the foal was dead.

I am beginning to worry that this is going to be the same situtation.

I know nothing is normal as each horse is different but the fact that this one has very little bag development, should I be concerned or is it possible that she will bag up a few days before?
 

Susan
Breeding Stock
Username: Luv4mastiffs567

Post Number: 340
Registered: 05-2008
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its possible she will bag up before she foals or even afterwards but when did your last mare foal with no bag and the foal died. Was it this year? if so I would be a little worried.
Is this a maiden mare and if not has she ever foaled for you before?
Are you feeding fescue? Are you sure of her breeding dates? Have you seen the foal move? Sorry for so many questions. Just trying to get an idea.
I do know that vets prescribe a medication called Domperidone to bring in the milk but alot of mares leak several days before foaling so its wise to get some colostrum. When I bought my domperidone they sent me a free bottle of colostrum. I have it just in case I ever need it and it last forever. I bought mine 2 years ago and its good till 2012. Diana has used this so she might be able to help you better understand. She had a mini mare this year foal without a bag. I do know the filly is still alive and doing good. Hopefully she sees this and will respond.
Good luck with your mare and I'll be praying she bags up...
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 3113
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 06:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tracey, I worried over my mares diligently as I had 3 due in march, and NONE with any sign of udder on March 1st. I worried we had fescue, ordered in domperidone and colostrum. I am a milk tester extraordinaire, and was in a panic. LOL It forced me to use my other 'skills' for predicting foals. I switched the March mares hay to a new hay, and when it appeared that my first mares foal was in position, i put her on domperidone. She went 5 days over her "normal" gestation time....which is close enough to perfect for me. My other mares finally bagged while waiting for their foals to appear to be in position. Bought more domperidone, and then didn't need it. Usually my mares bag about 4-5 wks in advance of foaling....but for some reason this year, they seemed to wait till the last week. In my experience, if there is *something* down there (albeit small) usually the mares will go ahead and bag up...even if it's late. I have no idea what is up with the mares this year. I have a brother in law who is a vet in Ohio, another in North Carolina, and know a vet in Florida. Every one of them has said the same thing....that there's something weird going on with the mares this year. They for some reason have alot of clients in a panic b/c their mare is not bagged up in the time frame they would expect. Since I have no logical explanation, I like to think it is the freakish winter we had this year LOL. I had one mare this year who is not maiden...her udder was tiny and barely there, but i could tell by feel that it was doing a little bit of changing, just not filling. Went down in the morning to let her out, her milk veins had come in HUGE, her udder was FULL, and we foaled that night. That's not enough notice for me LOL...and last time that mare bagged WELL in advance,, seemed i was milk testing her forever. If you think you may have fescue (did you have your previous foal necropsy done? do you know why it was born dead?? did you mare get ANY udder at all? just a small one? Was it a redbag birth? ) have your vet evaluate your mare! One of the main signs of fescue toxicity is lack of mammary development. Then if she determines that you need domperidone, I'd wait till the foal is in position, and give it to her. Matter of fact email me, and you can buy mine. LOL Don't guess I need it now!! Hope all goes well for you. I feel like if she's making changes and has somewhat of an udder it will come in. Typically it does, and we have worried for no reason. However with the history of your other mare, I'd certainly want to rule out whatever that may have been and take extra precautions.
 

Tracey Hoogeveen
Neonate
Username: Rrs

Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2010
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thanks for the info.
My last mare that foaled this March just did not bag up and the hay was fine, she is an older mare. She had absolutely nothing in the form of a bag or milk veins..........and she is a career broodie. So I guess she knew something about the foal that I did not.

Now this one is due this sunday the 11th. She has a very small bag and one huge line running up from her belly to her bag (the last 2 days this came apparent) I assume this is the milk vein?

this morning when I turned her out she was more developed in her bag than any other time, so I guess she is going to be fine (not saying I am until she foals)

I will keep you posted.
 

Cjskip
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Cjskip

Post Number: 1219
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tracy, sounds like you are getting a lot of good information from experienced people. I just wanted to add my support and hope that you have a healthy foal. So glad she is showing a bit of a bag now.

Maybe all the mares have networked and decided they're tired of all this milk testing, which tells us when they are about to foal, just to throw us off! LOL

My mares developed bags a little slower than I expected, but nothing that alarmed me.
 

hedgerow farm
Weanling
Username: Lotsofponies

Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2009
Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use to worry about the due date and drive my self crazy so when I bred my mare last year I did not write down the date, I did mark my calender due sometime near the end of March to the middle of May. This way I have been able to focus on the signs my mare is giving and I'm not letting the calender influence my interptation of the signs which has happened in the past. Thank God I only have 1 mare due.



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