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Tying up membranes-best way?

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Cjskip
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Username: Cjskip

Post Number: 235
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I read some 2006 posts on tying up membranes and was somewhat confuising. Do most of you put them into trash bags first?

It seems like tying it up would take the weight OFF, not allow it to dangle so it comes off naturally? But I trust it should be done, just don;t know the how and how to keep resitance on it.
 

Jane
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last year with my mare I followed advice to put it in a carrier bag and tie it to her tail. I did this and 8 hours later the vet was still battling to cleanse her.
When Maybelline foaled on Friday I did the same....her placenta didn't come. Phoned a friend who said DON'T tie it to her tail it NEEDS the weight to help her expel it. Sure enough she mamaged on her own once I let it hang (tied it in knots so it wasn't on the floor)It did take 7 hours though and my vet was on standby!
 

Emily West, Filly April 12th
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cj,
I do tie it up but not to anything just in knots. Then there would still be weight but it keeps the mare from stepping on any of it. :-)
 

Cjskip
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Post Number: 237
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So Jane and Emily, you mean you take the slippery stuff and just tie the length in various knots? If so, that makes sense. I know the reason to tie is that we don't want the mare to step on it and seperate it from the placenta prematurely.

This all makes sense now. If I misinterpreted your posts though, please let me know.
 

Emily West, Filly April 12th
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You got it right. It is slippery and can be hard to tie in some cases. In my last case with Gracie I didn't do it as often as I would have liked because of how uncomfortable she was. After each time I rinsed my hands in a bucket of water and dried them with paper towels. Boy was I glad I had those on hand this time. :-)
 

Jonathan Smith
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Username: Kynwatch

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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We use butcher twine. Tye it up high then start tossing it over and tying until it is off the ground. This prevents the mare for stepping on it and also keeps weight on it so that it will come out in a timely manner. We put our in a trash bag after she passes it and we have examed it.
 

Paul Liberty
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Username: Sptxthrill

Post Number: 74
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tie them up with the twine off the bales of hay and basically do the same as Jonathan but in some cases I have also used a wet towel to tie the placenta around to give it more weight, then after the placenta is expelled, I examine it to make sure it is all there and then put it in a trash bag.
 

Terry Waechter maravilla and her posse
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I also use hay twine as there is plenty of that around the barn. This year Kudu torn off the sac and the rest of the placenta was hanging so we tied a "package" to the end of the placenta to give it some weight. You could use anything that is small and has weight. We knotted the package to the placenta.
 

Jonathan Smith
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Water filled latex exam gloves work well as weights also.
 

Cjskip
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahhh. Sounds like a good idea, Johnathan.

Thanks everyone, for all the tips. Now I can at least rest assured that I sort of know what I'm doing about that part of things.

Emily, I knew I needed to boil some water; just didn't know what for. Now I know!
 

Tim Popovitz
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Username: Dystocia

Post Number: 78
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it is important to point out that if you are tying up the membranes while the the mare is still lying down and the umbilical is still attached, be sure NOT to tie up the umbilical cord.

Paul, I'll have to try the wet towel idea.


Tying-up a placenta is a bit like....well....nothing else really. I can't think of a good analogy. I've heard it described as kneeding pizza dough, but I can assure you, I'll never be caught twirling one over my head.
 

Jo Angela Stirewalt
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Tim I definately don't want you making my pizza !

Mira's whole birth went well, I think, it was all taking longer than most though, till the hip lock, which was our downfall and once the foal was pulled free within like 5 minutes her placenta just came sliding out like molten lava from a volcano.
 

Paul Liberty
Yearling
Username: Sptxthrill

Post Number: 75
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tim the wet towel works pretty good. I use a large hand towel, not a wash rag, but I did use a bath towel once! lol

Oh and I'm with Jo Angela about you NOT making pizza for me either! LOL
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
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Username: Marilyn_l

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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess I really screwed up. My first and only foaling experience a couple of years ago, we tied it to the tail. We didn't know better, it took her about 2 1/2 hours to release it. Gosh, was I lucky! It was completely intact with no tears or infection. Whew, I know better for this years foaling. Thanks for sharing your experences, I may have screwed it up again. Geez...
 

Jan Owen
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Marilyn~ How is Dora looking? Any recent pics? Are you gearing up to try and breed your other mares?
 

Lisa R.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn!! I second Jan's requests as to how are things going??!! Long time no see.....
 

Tim Popovitz
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you guys sure? Extra cheese, hold the hippomane.
 

Hannah MacDonald
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ewww thats gross Tim!! And yes agreed, i dont think you can ever explain to anyone what its like, something to be experienced only!!
 

Paul Liberty
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL Tim, maybe anchovies to disguise it?
 

Cjskip
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Post Number: 270
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Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn, that's what we are all here for! Glad everything went well for your mare last year. My vet even said to tie it to the tail! I'm so glad I asked about it, or I would have screwed it up. As it is, poor mare, has me for a first timer. At least my girl has had a few before!

You can only imagine the ideas that went through my head when I first heard of it.

"Membranes? What membranes? Isn't there an amniotic sack that breaks open and that's it until the placenta comes out?" Now hopefully, I'll know it when I see it.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
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Post Number: 1266
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jan, Lisa, Cjskip and all the rest of you wonderful people. I'm still here. lol. Just really busy this time of year. Dora is doing fantastic! She is eating like it's going out of style. lol She is 8 months pregnant, only 3 months to go. It's gone incrediably fast already.

I'll have to put some recent pictures of her on here soon. Maybe tonight if I get a chance.

I have two mares I'm breeding in about a month, Uh-O and Marq. They both had lab work done. Uh-O had E-Coli, she was flushed 3 days, we redid culture and it came back clean. Marq has a grade II on her biopsy, with some inflammation and very little scar tissue. Her lab work came back squeaky clean. We're taking both mares to Michigan for an Equine reproduction specialist to breed both girls. It will be way easier and probably cheaper.

That's the news for now. Hey, thanks for asking, it means a great deal to me to know you're thinking of me.

Cjskip, your right, I really learn alot here. Thank God for people here keeping me in the know.

God bless, Marilyn
 

Catherine Owen
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Username: Cateowen

Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh God!
This thread evokes horrid memories of an incident involving an expelled placenta, two of my dogs, a terrified neighbor about a half mile down the road, and the volunteer fire department responding then calling the sheriff to take the report.

Bobbi says I'm funny...anyone want to hear it?
 

Emily West, Filly April 12th
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Catherine!!! Do tell!!!

Marilyn,
Where in Michigan are you taking them?? And is this the great repro specialist you were talking about once?? If you remember I am the one looking to move to Indiana somewhat near you. That is why I am asking. Thanks
 

Catherine Owen
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay,
The moral of the story is: Don't let your dogs get ahold of the expelled placenta.

This also involves the very last mare we foaled out on our farm some years ago, we now send mares "out" to the breeding farm to foal, etc. as my nerves can't take it. This story combined with my almost sheer terror at foaling time has prompted me to do this to keep my sanity.

Anywho.....
Mare had beautiful loud-marked sorrel colt at about high noon on a Saturday. Mare expelled placenta in textbook fashion, i.e., all there, normal color, etc. Vet examined it and pronounced it "normal and whole" (I'm trying not to puke while he is poking around with it).

Being the responsible mare owner I am I then dutifully put the thing into a plastic bag (gagging all the way) to keep it until my dear hubby can bury the thing somewhere. (I always buried them on our property, deep enough so that dogs, coyotes, etc. can't get to them and I think they degrade rather rapidly.)

Ummm.... hubby and I go to house as we are exhausted and break open bottle of wine to celebrate our new arrival (and hubby thinks I will be easier to convince to send mares "out" to foal from now on if I am drunk).

The upshot is that NO ONE REMEMBERS TO BURY "THING" and dogs decide to investigate what is in trash bag.

Dogs decide to "play" with it and go "show" it to the neighbor's dog down the road. This woman living down the road from us had just "moved to the country" and was not "farm-animal orientated" at all. Poor neighbor woman sees dogs "playing" with placenta and dials 911 to report GUTS in her yard and volunteer fire department responds with a paramedic truck.

Sheriff's deputy shows up to see what all the excitement is about (yes, we live in a small town) and a State Patrolman in the area even showed up as he heard something about "body parts" on his radio.

Now all this is going on down the road about a half-mile from our house and our dogs are missing. The Siberian Husky had a history of not being friendly with other neighbor's chickens. I'm thinking he got into something of this new neighbor-lady's so we go to see what all the commotion is about.

Now keep in mind we have had several glasses of wine apiece and bedlam is ensuing upon our arrival. Apparently dogs don't want to "give up" their new plaything, and aren't going to do so without a tussle. Having had practice with this sort of thing before with the Husky (that incident involved a deer head) I know the only thing you can do with him is tackle him and pin him to the ground and he may very well bite you! Well it is better that he bites me than someone else so I dive for him and my hubby goes for our other dog who is not brave at all without the Husky for back-up. Of course Husky is guarding placenta (largest piece that is left) and I pin him and the "thing" as well to the ground. It is warm and wine has kicked in and guts are churning but I manage to get dog off of "thing" without hurling and we get both our dogs into back of pick-up. Neighbor's dog then takes off with the largest part of (shredded now) placenta and they all have a merry chase around her place until "thing" is finally wrestled away from that dog and law enforcement can "examine".

Of course there are various pieces and parts of this placenta now strewn about this woman's place and she is literally in tears.

Okay, so our dilemma is do we tell that we know what it is and it was our dogs that indeed caused all this pandemonium because we were careless with afterbirth? Or not? We are somewhat tipsy and don't want to make an immediate enemy out of our new neighbor, so honor did go out the window and we said nothing.

Sheriff's deputy sumises that it is indeed some afterbirth from some animal, "probably a cow that calved out in a pasture somewhere" and dogs found it and drug it up. New neighbor lady is totally repulsed and is thinking hard about her decision to move to the country.

Deputy files an "incident report" about BIOHAZARD materials in the area and a warning goes out to all farms in the area about the problems for all when biohazard wastes are not properly disposed of. This warning was in the form of a typed piece of paper put into all possible "offenders" mailboxes in the area. Incident made weekly paper.

We got in truck and drove home with our two dogs and had a couple more glasses of wine, went out and looked at our new baby and that made it all alright.

Years later, woman still lives down road from us and marvels at our horses, likes to come and see them and pet them and brings carrots, apples, etc. Siberian Husky passed away from cancer several years ago and his pal went shortly thereafter him (funny they were best friends and she was really sad without him, I think it was a broken heart).
So they were the only other witnesses and we figure our secret is totally safe now. But I do try to keep my husband happy.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
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Username: Marilyn_l

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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is the funniest story I think I've ever heard! I wouldn't have confessed either. Especially with all the commotion it caused. It wouldn't have changed anything really. lol Thank you for making my day with such a good laugh!!!!

Emily, you have a fantastic memory! You must be young. lol... yes the vet were taking the mares to are the equine specialists in Michigan. They are the best I've found and I've been searching for quite some time. Have you decided if your moving this way yet? Remember if you do and need my help with anything, I'm here for you. :-)
 

Laurie A Beltran
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn,
I just asked Jan about you??? There you are! How is Dora get some pic as soon as you can~

L
 

Emily West, Zita born 4/12
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine!!!


Marilyn,
My memory really isn't that great I just happened to be reading some old posts the other day. :-) I am young though but I won't disclose my age so as not to make anyone here jealous.
We are still looking to move. We are even considering Michigan but only the very southwest corner. We just want to be within an hour and a half, or there abouts, of Crown Point Indiana!! I actually saw a piece of property for sale in San Pierre that sounded really nice. Until I saw the pictures. :-( Oh, well. I know somewhere out there is the perfect place.
One place we are considering is in Reynolds. But we are selling our place first so we haven't made any trips to look at property just doing online searches.
I of course want a nice place for horses while others want a nice house. :-) Maybe we can find both. Who knows.
We might need help just because I need to find good vets, feed stores, etc. Funny thing is the realtor I am talking with has horses and used to breed. :-) I love the fact that I am all ready making horse people contacts!!! I honestly don't know what I will do if we decide not to move. :-( I mean where we live is beautiful. We 380 acres of rolling hills with woods, a little pasture, springs, and a year round creek. I love it!!! But vets here are hard to get out in an emergancy and as far as repro goes!!! I won't even go there. I have great a vet for daily needs and I like her a lot. I am just ready to be in a horse area again.

Okay, sorry for the rambling. I had better go get busy!! :-)
 

Paul Liberty
Yearling
Username: Sptxthrill

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Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine,
my 1/2chow,1/2 lab does the same thing everytime a mare foals she parks herself outside the stall and just waits for me to get the placenta out of the stall. I always catch her hauling A** down through the barn with a black trash bag in tow that weighs more than she does! lol
One time I didn't get it into a trash bag, I just put it in the buckets we use to clean the stalls out with and we had covered it with shavings, I turned around and saw her digging it out of the bucket and then she took off out of the barn with it. I never did find it! lol
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
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Username: Tracys

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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, that is the funniest story I've ever heard! I don't blame you for sending your mares out for foaling, it seems like anything that can happen, will!
 

Jonathan Smith
Yearling
Username: Kynwatch

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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine

Sorry to hear about the dogs passing, but that is one funny story.
 

Tim Popovitz
Yearling
Username: Dystocia

Post Number: 94
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul


I tried the wet towel thing tonight. Worked like a charm!!!! Just enough extra weight to help it out and much easier than filling latex gloves with water. THANKS!
 

Beth Sanford
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine...That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!!!! It sounds like you might have my luck with dogs...mine stay into something all the time! Thanks for the laugh! Makes the DUHH syndrome more bearable....and I added an extra trash bag to my foaling kit.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Laurie, how's your mare doing? No foal yet, huh... Maybe this weekend. Dora is doing fine, thanks for asking.

Can someone tell me exactly how to tie the wet towel around the placenta? What size towel? My thinking is, to take a medium size towel, get it wet and wrap it around the placenta and tie it tight with twine. Is that correct?

I want to make sure I get it right this year. :-)
 

Paul Liberty
Yearling
Username: Sptxthrill

Post Number: 81
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tim, glad that worked for ya....it doesn't take long after it's tied on!

Maryilyn, a medium size towel will work (large hand towel) yes get it wet and wrap it around the placenta. you can either tie it with twine or just keep knotting the placenta but do it towards the bottom of the placenta cuz you want the weight on it.

with my 35+ years of foaling out mares, ya learn tricks along the way!!
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Paul, perfect, this should make things much easier for me and my mare. :-)
 

Laurie A Beltran
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marilyn,
We are doing great! But so far no baby! My vet said her due date was 04/17 yet when I used the foal calculator it said -4/25- full term 04/29 ?? Your guess is as good has mine!

I'm so happy to hear that Dora is doing good! SO YOur breeding again huh! You got the bug! DUH!

Take care
 

Paul Liberty
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Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You're welcome Marilyn!
 

Valerie Myers
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That is the funniest thing I ever heard! I cried reading it and I'm at work. Glad to know I need to keep that placenta away from my Husky, Shepherd and Lab, because yes they will haul it off and drag it down the street, so gross! LOL
 

Cjskip
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Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catherine, HYSTERICAL! What a story!!!



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