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Possible placenitis

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lynsey
Nursing Foal
Username: Lynz

Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 05:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have just had the vet out to my mare, she is at 310 days she is running milk , every morning she has dryed milk on her legs but it is still a cloudy colour and she has been waxing up for about a week, he took her temperature and said it was normal then he said her cervix wasnt ready to foal ( thank god ) he did a rectal eximanation and said he could feel foal movement, then he told me not to panic and he went. I have been told by a very knowledgeable breder that running milk early can be a sign of placeitis and that she should go onto antibiotics . Has anyone else had this problem?
 

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 156
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lynsey,

Alot of mares run milk whent hey are close. If she keeps streaming milk you need to catch some and freeze it because she may loose the colostrum that the foal really needs. 310 is not way too early.. i know several people who have had foals born on this timeline and been fine.. After 320 is normal. she may just be a little early. Some mares "cook" their foals faster. Just keep an eye on her and don't forgot to catch some of that milk and freeze it. The foal may need more colostrum when it is born.

Good Luck!
 

lynsey
Nursing Foal
Username: Lynz

Post Number: 14
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I spoke to my vet about her running milk and the fact that if she keeps running milk shall i catch some had freeze it and he seems to think that i dont need to and everything will be fine ! ( thats because its not his horse )
 

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 157
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If she is streaming milk for days i would personally save some and freeze it! If not you will be paying out the rear for colostrum from your vet (if he has it) and that is very important for a foal when they are born. After a certain time (I think it is 12 hrs) it does no good then you have a very sick foal and they go down hill very fast. We lost a foal 2 yrs ago because he was a dummy foal and that is very sad to have to go through something like that and see the mare grieve for her foal.

Very sad.. Good luck though. Even if your vet says no i would do it.. Better be safe than sorry.!!!
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 966
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The average duration of gestation is anywhere between 320 and 370 days, so although your mare is only at 310 days she is in fact close to the lower end of the average gestation. That means that what you are seeing is quite probably normal as has been noted above. You are however right in that you should be paying close attention to her, and plan to be present at the foaling, as if she does have placentitis, there is an increased possibility of premature placental separation and a sequela of a hypoxic (or dead) foal. Additionally, in such a set of circumstances, there is an increased risk of a foal having been exposed to a pathogen in utero and therefore at higher risk for neonatal septicaemia - a problem possibly compounded by loss of high IgG colostrum. It is therefore very important that you check the foal for good passive transfer and supplement if indicated. As noted, oral supplementation can usually be achieved successfully prior to 12 hours post-foaling. After that time, the foal's gut will be closing down its ability to absorb large-molecule IgG's and you will be looking at the need for a plasma transfer, which is far more expensive.

One note of clarification on a prior post - a dummy foal is a foal that has been deprived of oxygen during foaling ("hypoxia"), not a foal that has neonatal septicaemia which is I believe what was being referenced, and is more likely to be associated with low IgG. "Dummy foals" (or more correctly a foal suffering from "hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy" or "HIE") are at greater risk for neonatal septicaemia, as they are less likely to nurse well and are therefore in a higher risk category for FPT, but the condition HIE itself may lead to death of the foal rather than as a result of septicaemia.
 

lynsey
Nursing Foal
Username: Lynz

Post Number: 15
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will be attending the foaling but the question i want to ask is, if she could possibly have placentitis could i not just put her on a course of antibiotics to be on the safe side, or would it be to late to do anything.
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 32
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At what point do you start collecting colostrum? How do you know that what is "streaming" is it? what should you collect it in and how do you properly freeze it?

Sorry for interjecting Lynsey!
 

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 158
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi everyone,

Thanks Jos for clearing that up. i guess I didn't explain the part about the dummy foal well enough. i meant that it is hard to watch a foal go through trying to survive and not being able to make it and then the mare grieving when it doesn't make it.


I was hoping I had that right about the time period for colostrum.

If she has been streaming milk (like if it squirts out while she is just standing there or a steady stream of milk). Just make sure it is a sterile container. Then freeze it.. ( I don't know that part)sorry.
 

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 829
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I COLLECTED IT WITH A STERILE PLAYTEX NURSER BAG, (8 OUNCE) I TURNED THE TOP OVER PUT MY HAND UP UNDER THE TURNED LIP AND MILKED HER INTO THE BAG. THEN TWIST TIE IT AND FREEZE IT. TO USE IT THAW AT ROOM TEP AND FEED IMMEDIATELY, OR IN WARM NOT HOT WATER AND FEED,DO NOT MICROWANVE OR PUT INTO A GLASS CONTAINER!!!
I HAD TO GET INFO ON COLOSTRUM WHEN MY MARE WAS READY TO FOAL SO I KNOW JUST A LILLTE!!!!! I WENT THROUGH THE NATIONAL COLOSTRUM BANK WHICH IS ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF TH UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. (WHERE I LIVE) THEY SENT A LOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION!!!
GOOD LUCK!!!
 

lynsey
Nursing Foal
Username: Lynz

Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just to let you all know my horse does not have placantitis as she had the foal the early hours of this morning, she was early but the vet has been out to check and says everything is good.... I have a little chestnut filly that i think will turn grey i have named her Solitaire, i cant put a photo on as i dont have a digital camera..
 

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 159
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congratulations Lynsey!

I am so glad everything went fine. Did you get to see the birth?

you will have to keep us updated.

Have fun playing with that baby!
 

Jennifer
Weanling
Username: Jennifer_d

Post Number: 39
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congrats Lynsey! Thanks everyone for the colostrum info. :-)
 

Kris Moos
Breeding Stock
Username: Kris

Post Number: 834
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YEAH!!!! CONGRATS AND ENJOY..THEY GROW UP TOO DARN FAST!!!
 

Kim Winter
Breeding Stock
Username: Clafairy

Post Number: 526
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 03:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

COngratulations Lyndsey!! Great choice of name too... Im soo pleased for you : ) You must join the foal thread and keep us updated on all your progress!
 

lynsey
Nursing Foal
Username: Lynz

Post Number: 18
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for all the congratulations,hopefully i will be able to put some photos on soon as i am borrowing a camera but i will be putting them on a different thread as i dont think that it would be nice on this thread after what becca has been through.



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