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Embryo size looked very small for 16 days. Normal?

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Tracey Bywater
Neonate
Username: Charliepup

Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had my mare scanned at 16 days and vet said that the embryo looked tiny so thought she was reabsorbing. Scanned her again at 18 days and he said it had doubled in size but was still tiny so didn't think it would be ok. Looking on the screen it only looked about 3cm across whereas her follicle grow to spprox 4.5cm when we were AI'ing her. Is this normal. We are having her checked again at 21 days but I don't want to get my hopes up.
 

Ally
Neonate
Username: Ally

Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How did your mare turn out? I am having a similar problem with my mare. She is new to us so we aren't familiar with her history (she has had three foals).
 

Jennifer D
Weanling
Username: Jennifer

Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my mare had a 12mm conceputs at 17 days and it was not there at the 30 day check. This was in early May. I hope yours turns out better! I have heard of some catching up and making it though.
 

Coetta Buckallew
Neonate
Username: Cody

Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mare pregnant with twins, one has been pinched on the 27th day after breeding. Vet says that they were smaller than they should be and he thinks they that the mare is absorbing them. Hoping since he pinched one that the other will pick up, he wants us to bring her in in 30 days for another ultrasound. I have always wanted to raise a foal and I have been so excited. But today was sadness, having to pinch one and then not knowing what is going to happen. What does absorbing mean in that sense? Why does this happen? I am trying not to get to excited now, since we don't know what is going to happen. I will take any kind of help. This will be my first foal to raise!
Thanks!}}
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi my mare is having the same sort of problem as yours.MY MARE HAD TWINS IN MAY only she aborted both,so we were advised by our vet to put her back in foal after foalheat,only at first she wouldnt stand for stallion so we left her till her next season and put her to my own stallion which she stood for .we covered her twice one on the third and fife day of heat .had her U/S at 14 days in case of twins only to find out that what should be 14 days is only 11 days so vet thinks she is reabsorbing.Only we are know on day 50 and she has not returned into season even after being teased on a regular weekly check .vet just says wait and see.any info would be helpfull thanks?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1581
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ultrasound machines have a standard built-in margin of error of +/- 2 days - if you look at the measurement screen you will see that (e.g. "GA 14 days +/-2"), and if that is coupled with the possibility of not knowing exactly when the mare ovulated, an "error" or 3 days is perfectly explicable.

Did you not check the mare again after the 14 days check? That should be routine for the reasons laid out in the article about twinning that is on this site (follow that link), and additionally in your case if EED is suspected!
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

vet has asured me there was only one folicil ,he checked both horns as she carried twins last time, and could only find the one.he said if she doesnt come into season by christmas to have her paltaed to see if shes in foal.
What would you recomened?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1582
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pregnancies have been seen with asynchronous ovulations as much as 6 (yes SIX) days after the primary ovulation. If one is checking at 14 days, that means that the second pregnancy would only be about 8 days if there were such a situation - and that is far too small to be able to see on u/s, hence the need for a second ultrasound. Not doing that u/s would not be a risk I would be prepared to take - especially with the mare's history - but perhaps your veterinarian is.

WRT to your situation now - If you check with u/s in the next 10 days (prior to about day 60) you will still be able to identify the pregnancy, and if there are two you can attempt cranio-cervical dislocation of one of them. If you wait until Christmas and have her palpated at that point, you would not be able to reliably identify twins, and even if you did there is nothing that could be done.
 

Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 277
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary Anne, I feel the need to address your post.

My mare was bred by my breeder and her vet. The vet is renowned in that area for being one of the top equine repro vet. He works at the university as an equine repro vet. Anyway, like you, he was very addiment (sp?) he bred to only one follicle. Low and behold, she was in in fact pregnant with bilateral twins at 21 days. Both were growing and viable.

At 27 days we had one pinched. Hopefully, she is still carrying the remaining twin.

You may be fortunate enough to only have one pregnancy, and it probably is, but why take the chance??? If I were you and knowing what I know now and what I went through myself, I would take Jos's advice. He is extremely knowledgeable.

I hope this helps, Marilyn
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thank you very much, I will phone my vet in the morning to have her rescaned.
 

Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 281
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your welcome Mary Anne. Please let us know how the ultrasound comes out. I wish you and mare good luck and only one little one in the oven.

Marilyn
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 6
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI I phoned my vet this morn hes coming out on thursday 12pm to put my mind at rest. thank u for all your help I will keep u posted
 

Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 286
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary Anne, I'm very glad to hear the vet is coming!

Like I said, she probably is carrying only one, but I'm not one that likes to gamble, especially with my animals.

Yes, please keep us posted. Good luck!

Marilyn
 

Jan Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 767
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mary Anne.....I have my fingers crossed for good news on Thursday...piece of mind is priceless. Keep us posted!
 

Tracy Smith
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 193
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary Anne, sending good vibes your way! Keep us posted.
 

Marilyn Lemke
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 313
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary Anne, how did the ultrasound turn out? You've been on my mind all day. I hope everything is fine and there's nothing to worry about.
Marilyn
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ops sorry i forgot to reply vet said mare not pregnant. only know she looks pregnant and still has not come back into season in fact i can see a lot of movement either gas or foal not sure she doesnt like u touching her stomach is constantly biting her sides and doesnt like other horses near her does anyome think shes still could be pregs my daughters riding instuctor thinks he saw foal movement in her left horn this was three weeks ago. once again sorry i forgot to post back.
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi everyone my mare star that had twins last year that both died then she had a false pregnancy has just been confermed in foal today 20 days.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1818
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary Anne~That is great news, at 20 days did you get to see that flickering heartbeat? Congratulations!
 

mary anne higgins
Neonate
Username: Mary_23

Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no the vet didnt point out a heartbeat but said everything looks good and the right size for 20 days.
would I be able to hear the heartbeats with a stefascope yet.



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