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Uterine fluids - day 19

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Jessica
Neonate
Username: Spike

Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2011 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We had one of our mare ultrasound today - I know, 19 days post breeding, but one thing to another... late we are to do the first preg check. Vet think he has found an embryo, despite at first tought it was a cyst. Then, we found a large round, clear pocket of fluid. Then, we found a 4.2cm follicle. Finally, vet had a look on the cervix wich was tightly closed. Mare is not showing external heat signs, despite being presented to our (unofficial) teaser.

?????????? Can I be happy to have a pregnancy but be prepared to face a EED because of the presence of fluids? What is the % of pregnancies that hold on despite this situation? Is there something to do at this stage to clear that fluid without flushing the embryo?

Thanks for any inputs.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 3274
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2011 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's almost impossible to say with certainty without actually seeing what you saw...

How large was the pocket of fluid? My concern with that is that from 17 days onwards, the conceptus is no longer regular in shape and could therefore be mistaken for a "pocket of fluid":

16-17 day conceptii


Note that the conceptus loses regularity of shape even more as time goes by. This is a 23 day pregnancy - you can actually see the embryo proper between the red caliper marks:

23 day pregnancy


More images and explanation scan be found in the article about early equine embryology.

The concern here is that you mention another possible pregnancy that the vet thought initially was a cyst - could that be a second pregnancy that is younger than the first???

My concerns are compounded by your comment about the presence of a "4.2 follicle". A veterinarian well-versed in equine reproduction would be fully aware that the presence or absence of follicles at this stage means nothing...

If it were me, I think I'd get the mare scanned again, preferably by someone with lots of equine reproduction experience - ideally a theriogenologist.

Good luck!!
 

Jessica
Neonate
Username: Spike

Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jos!

The embryo who was initially taken for a cyst is the only one the vet found. Nothing else looked like an embryo.

I usually ship my mares for breeding when using frozen semen to a repro facility, but keep the ones bred with fresh/transported semen at home. There's no repro vet specialist within a 3hrs drive from my barn. The 2 vets here with ultrasound machine are very nice, but young and inexperienced. That's why often I have to make my own mind/interpretation of what they/I see. :-( Not that difficult when everything goes as planned, but when we have surprises or doubts, it gets harder to decide what is going on, or what is the plan...

The pocket of fluids was bright black, almost round in shape and if I remember correctly, 4+cm large.

I'll see if I can get one of the repro vet I know to drive here into their full swinging breeding season... Wich I doubt. My plan B would be to wait day 28 and look again if no specialist can come up here? Or am I practically 100% because of fluids that I wont have any pregnancy left?

(Message edited by spike on June 07, 2011)
 

Jos
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Post Number: 3279
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Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Round pockets of fluid are unusual unless they are a conceptus or a cyst - something has to keep them round and the uterus itself is not going to do that, so they have to be encapsulated within something.

Without knowing what the fluid was, it's impossible to predict what is going on - whether you do truly have free fluid in the uterus (in which case the pregnancy would be threatened); or if you have twins or a pregnancy and a large cyst.
 

Jessica
Neonate
Username: Spike

Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will try to find images of large cysts to see if it looked like it. It was 4cm+ (the "round pocket of fluids")... Is a 19 days conceptus likely to be that big?

The mare foaled normally on april 18th and took last year on first try. Normal pregnancy, nothing weird to report.

Do you think she could have grown a cyst that big within a month? Or is not interfering with a pregnancy so I should not worry if it's a cyst? I guess I cannot really do anything more than wait either for a repro vet to have time to come up here, and/or ultrasound again in 10 days and pray we'll have a better view of the situation.

And if it's indeed a pocket of fluid that strangely appeared round, how much threatening is it usually? Is there some successfull pregnancy despite fluids being found at that stage or it's a near 100% chance of loosing it?
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That amount of free fluid would almost certainly be a death knell. Never say never, but it wouldn't be good. And definitely don't give Regumate if you get that suggestion made, as that will reduce the uterus' ability to absorb fluid.
 

Jessica
Neonate
Username: Spike

Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok good news (can't always be bad news isn't it?)

The mare was checked in foal at 28 days, and embryo was still there, with normal developpement, but vet was unable to locate heartbeat... So it was a little bittersweet.

We decided to let this go like this, and look again the mare later.

As I had no intention to try another time if the pregnancy was to be lost, I waited up until the 60 days-ish checkup. Today was day 56. We ultrasound her and... There's a baby, with an heartbeat, clear and perfectly normal...

Happy dance!
 

Diana Gilger
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Kdgilger

Post Number: 4003
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YAY!!!! That's great news! Glad to hear it!
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 2824
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nothing beats seeing a heart beat! Here is fingers crossed for an uneventful pregnancy and a healthy foal!
 

Colleen Beck
Weanling
Username: High_valley_gypsy

Post Number: 21
Registered: 04-2011
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2011 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I needed some good news today! }
 

Jessica
Nursing Foal
Username: Spike

Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey! Bumping this one up! We had a lovely, perfectly normal filly on April 14 at noon! She is healthy, and is a real doll!

http://www.autumnsstables.com/silouette_ev.html
 

mynutmeg
Weanling
Username: Mynutmeg

Post Number: 39
Registered: 01-2011
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2012 - 02:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yay }
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 2844
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2012 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congratulations on a beautiful Filly!
 

Colleen Beck
Weanling
Username: High_valley_gypsy

Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2011
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Congratulations!!!!



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