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Maiden Mare...absorbed...what would cause her to?

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Christie Miller
Neonate
Username: Gallamist

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is my first year breeding my stallion.

Just a quick run down..he's a 2yr old Breeding Stock Paint....I have a mare here on a breeding lease who is a 3yr old maiden mare (I don't own her)

Her first cover was April 24th...she stood for the stallion to mount...he did mount and penetrate and "got the job done"

I went to cover her again 2 days later and she did not want noting to do with the stallion...ok so I figured she caught...

I teased her 21 days after her last cover and no signs of heat...that was in May.

I teasted her again on June 27th and she peeded, winked and shows obvious signs of heat so I breed her...went to breed her again 2 days later and again she wanted nothing to do with the stallion.

July 18th...teased again...showed obvious signs of heat so I breed her again....2 days later again same she didn't want nothing to do with the stallion.

Now if she did not catch on the last cover I should see her come into heat again tomorrow. I teased her yesterday and she had no interest nor showed any signs of heat.

If she does not come into heat this cycle I do have the vet coming out on the 16th to palpate her (30 days after her last cover date)

What would be the reasons that she would absorb? She's a healthy mare and the stallion is healthy. Is it her or him?

Any help, suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10256
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

> I went to cover her again 2 days later and she did not want noting to
> do with the stallion...ok so I figured she caught...

A mare not continuing to demonstrate estrus ("heat") in this manner does not indicate pregnancy. Most mares do not remain receptive outside the estrus phase of their cycle and will reject the stallions advances demonstrably - pregnant or not.

On top of that - about 10% of mares will still demonstrate estrus behaviour even though they are pregnant!

You should have had this mare checked for pregnancy by ultrasound about 15 days after the original breeding, or by palpation about 19 (if an experienced palpator) or 35 days (if not experienced) after the original breeding. Firstly it would have saved you a lot of aggravation :-); next it would have saved possible injury to the stallion if a re-breed was tried and she turned out to be pregnant and resisted the stallion (which is what it sounds as though may be the case); next if the mare had been bred and was apready pregnant, you would probably have caused the loss of the original pregnancy; and finally it would have prevented the risks associated with twinning which is considerable in the equine.

> What would be the reasons that she would absorb? She's a healthy mare
> and the stallion is healthy. Is it her or him?

There are a huge variety of possible reasons for pregnancy loss (mares do not incidentally "absorb" a pregnancy, it is lost through the cervix, but is so small in most cases as to be not seen). It would be impossible to identify the reason without evaluation - if there was in fact pregnancy loss.

Make sure you tell your vet the original breeding date when - and you should do this - you have her pregnancy checked. Note too that at this stage (around 100 days) it can sometimes be difficult to identify a pregnancy by palpation, so you might want to have a blood test for estrogens (or estrone sulfate) run as well if there is any doubt following the palpation.
 

Christie Miller
Neonate
Username: Gallamist

Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jos....I teased her today and she showed no signs of heat or intrest in the stallion.

I'll just keep my appoitment with the vet next week and see what he says.

Thanks for the info very helpful :-)
 

cathy Cook
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Username: Razmacat

Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sounds like you need to invest more time and money in your vet. Every mare needs to be checked no later than 18 days post breeding by ultrasound for pregnancy just in case you were to get twins or triplets. There is just a small window your vet can get rid of one of the unwanted. So if you check at 18 days you have about 10 days to pinch it.



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