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Mila Davidson
Nursing Foal
Username: Promise_me

Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mare is approxiametly 180 days. She is a embryo transfer reciepiant. Today, the vet was out and I asked him to palpate her. He said that he could NOT feel the ovaries but thought he could feel the uterus. He said that if he could feel the uterus at this point, the mare is open. He also said that pregnant mare you can not feel the ovaries. He suggested waiting a month or so then checking again.
What do you think?
From one of your earlier post "If you do have your mare checked by your vet, it is important that you know that also around this time frame, the fetus may drop over the pelvic brim into the abdominal cavity as a result of size/weight increase, and may not be palpable again until about 150+ days - this can lead to an erroneous diagnosis of "not pregnant". "
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 241
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila, when I took my mare for her 5 month rhino, I had him palpate to make sure she was still pregnant. He said that he couldn't feel the baby, but that he could tell she was still pregnant because her uterus had dropped like it was being pulled downward by the baby. My mare is 261 days today and still pregnant. Hope this helps.
 

Jan Owen
Breeding Stock
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 966
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila~was your mare confirmed pregnant earlier? If so and you have not seen any evidence of her aborting I would keep the hope alive that she is still in foal and proceed like that till you get a definite answer. How frustrating. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers!
 

Mila Davidson
Nursing Foal
Username: Promise_me

Post Number: 13
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Jan and Charlene. I bred 7 mares last year, one of the mares died less than a month ago and now this!?#(! I am about to pull my hair out.
But, yes the mare was checked safe in foal at 30 days, 60 days and 90 days.
I have not seen any physical signs of abortion, nor have I seen the mare show heat signs. I guess I will just have to wait it out.
Thanks again ya'll for you help.
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 477
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila, I say she's probably still pregnant :-) If you don't mind me asking.....what happened to your other mare that died?
 

Mila Davidson
Nursing Foal
Username: Promise_me

Post Number: 14
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tracy, I sure hope and pray you are right. My gut is telling me that she is still bred, and I hope there is something to be said for "a woman's intution". She is a Thoroughbred mare and when I got (around the first of Sept) she was thin and pretty beat up from other horses. She came from a recep farm and a herd of like 100 mares. Since coming here, her general appearance/weight have improved greatly and I swear the last couple of weeks I have noticed a what I call "baby belly". But, I have also increase hay and grain for the over the last month because of the weather, too. Now I am not expert at all, and some say you can't tell at 6 months but I could swear she looks fuller toward her flanks. I wish I had taken pictures during the stages, oh well.
My poor old mare that died, Shadow Go Bold. She was 24, a former World Champion and it broke my heart. I had only owned her the last 4 years of her life. This spring she had a very large colt and went 355 days to foaling! On the advise of several respected breeders and equine repro specialists, I decide to breed her this after she had her foal. At the time of her death, she was like 205 days safe in foal. Honestly, we are not sure excatly what was the cause,(and this was a 2 month process) but the last two weeks, the mare stayed severely impacted. I had two different vets working on her and both said they have never seen one so impacted. I tried changing feed, bran mush, mineral oil, enamas, manually/physically removing feces, everything. I think the muscles in her rectum were just not working. Even though the pregnancy was going fine, I really feel like it was partly because I bred her at that age. Or, it sould have just been her time, she was old, but I sure will never breed the older gals again.
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 243
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After reading your first post again, it sounds to me like you need to get a second opinion. I would if it was my mare. From what you said, it sounds to me like he doesn't know what he's feeling.
 

Jos
Board Administrator
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1671
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've never had a problem palpating the ovaries in a pregnant mare, but reaching the cranial aspect of the uterus can be difficult.

If you have doubts, either get a second opinion, or run an estrone sulfate (or total estrogens) blood assay on the mare - it will be definitive.
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 481
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 02:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. As you probably know there are a lot of 24 yr old mares out there being bred but I agree with you, if the same thing happened to me I would probably stay away from breeding them that old. I was actually having this conversation tonight with my husband. I have a 17 yr old mare that has had 3 foals without any problems but has been open for the last 4 yrs. We are thinking about breeding her this yr but I am concerned that she will be 18 when bred, 19 when she foals. She has a fantastic pedigree, easy breeder and a wonderful momma but she is MY baby first and foremost so I have a lot of thinking to do :-)

I also have a mare that is 6 months pregnant and she has a little baby belly http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee104/tracymsmith/025.jpg Does your mare look anything like this?

Do you have any pics of your mare? We love pictures here! :-)
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 681
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila, I'm sorry to hear about your loss of your mare and now this. I hope it she's still pregnant. It can be such a worry, I'll say a prayer for you.

I'm really worried about Dora's 5 month ultrasound in a couple of weeks. I think the vet is going to ultrasound her and palpate her. I hope she's still pregnant. Waaaa!!!

Did you ever go to the fair and see the cow that had a see through stomach and you could see the inner workings of the cow. It was weird, the cow's eating and you could actually see the digestive track working. I wish Dora had a see through stomach and I could see that little filly (wishful thinking it's going to be a filly), then I'd know exactly what's going on.

Oh, before I forget, last night I was cleaning Dora's stall and she walks out of the stall and went to the hay storage area that has pallets. I was calling her and I tried to pass her without freaking her out while she's walking on the concrete floor, but I couldn't get by her and she got on top of the pallets. I'm sweating bullets, then the cracking sound of the pallets scared her and she turned around to go back and she got one foot stuck in a pallet. She was shaking her leg trying to unstick the pallet from her foot. She broke the pallet and got her foot free.

Oh course, I'm freaking out seeing her shaking this pallet around. I got her back in the stall and tried to look at her foot, but it must have hurt because she wouldn't let me pick up her leg. I tried to look at her foot while it was on the ground and didn't notice any cuts. Mike came home a few minutes later and I told him to check her out. Sure enough there was blood dripping from the back of her foot. Not bad thou. Mike cleaned it up and wrapped it. She was fine this morning, no swelling that I could see.

That girl sure can get herself in a heap of trouble!

Marilyn
 

Mila Davidson
Nursing Foal
Username: Promise_me

Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Update: I purchased online a home pregnancy test for mares. Of course, in between my ordering the test and it arriving in the mail, the mare squatted and peed in front of me twice. Once I had the test in my hands, however, it took two weeks to catch her peeing! But anyway yesterday I did catch her and the test results are positive. I have an appointment with the vet for the 15th of Feb and we will check her again. I sure this mare is still bred. Thanks for all ya'lls help.
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 891
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's fantastic news Mila! I'm glad to hear that things are looking up for you. Have you done the nail test yet to check the sex of the foal? Just for fun, of course.
 

charlene birdsall, Baby due 4/2/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Charlie67

Post Number: 333
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is great news Mila. What breed is she and what is her name. Do you know her due date? I will add you two the my list of prego mares for 2008.
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1004
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila,
I was gone on vacation for the last 10 days so I am so happy that the first post I read was from you and the great news! Will continue to keep fingers and toes crossed for a successful vet check!
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 896
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jan, welcome back! I missed you!! Did you have a nice vacation? Where did you go?
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 677
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mila, Yeah!!! You had a feeling, that's wonderful news. Do you have any pictures of her?
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1006
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks....8 day cruise....Panama, Costa Rica, & Belize :-) Home now in rainy California...but we do need the water :-) How is Dora? Did she have her 5 month check up?
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 898
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a wonderful vacation. Was this your first cruise. You're lucky, you have a port by you. We have to fly to a port first, which makes it more expensive.

Yup, she sure did. She's just fine. She had her 5 month shot and now good to go until month 7. Thanks for asking Jan!
 

Heather Kutyba
Breeding Stock
Username: Heatherck11

Post Number: 667
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cruise pics are good too JAN. I live vicariously through others :-)
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1014
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) Will do...
 

Laurie A Beltran
Yearling
Username: Prophecy_ranch

Post Number: 71
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI everyone,
I know that I havent posted anything for a long While! Its called a real JOB! LOL I have a quick question does anyone know for sure if the wormer ANTHELCIDE EQ is safe for pregs? Remember my 21 year young mare she is HUGE! we have not quite 2 months left! I have looked and looked on PFITZER site funny nothing is said about pergnant mares?? I will not give her anthing until I hear something!!

HEY Jan,Marilyn give me the scoop how's all the horses doing? Marilyn I see your DORA is pregnant! I'm so happy for you!

Jan don't forget to come talk to us at Fiesta of the Spanish horse! Jan is your ebay id Frosty by any chance?
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1052
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Laurie!!! Long time no hear. Dora is pregnant. It was a long road, but she is doing great. It sounds like your mare is doing well and not much longer to go. It's nice to see you posting. How've you been? I went to the show in New Mexico, but I didn't see you. We're you there? What days were you there?

I found this information on the Valley Vet Supply website. It says that it's perfectly safe for pregnant mares. So go ahead and use it without worry according to this attached info from Valley Vet.

Anthelcide EQ (Benzimidazole)
Other products by Pfizer Animal Health
Equine paste formula contains Oxibendazole. Effective against large strongyles, small strongyles, pinworms and ascarids in horses. Safe for pregnant mares, foals and breeding stock. Each tube worms up to a 1200 lb. horse (800 lb. if targeted against intestinal threadworms) and is calibrated at 100 lb. increments

I hope this helps,
Marilyn
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1085
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Laurie! Yes I plan on looking for you at the Fiesta! I am so happy your mare is doing well! Very exciting! But is she due right around the Fiesta?

I never buy/sell on ebay so must be another frosty :-)

My horses are doing great. My 5 year old gelding is off to his first show in March to the Carousel Horse show in Arizona. My mare is back in shape and I am so enjoying my riding time on her. My filly, Gracie is 7 months old! I have ponied her extensively and had a pony saddle on her. She is a doll! All I hoped for!

When you know tell me where you think your booth will be :-)
 

Laurie A Beltran
Yearling
Username: Prophecy_ranch

Post Number: 76
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi everyone,
Jan I will let you know when I do! :-)

Well last night was a HUGE scare for me came home to see my Spring(going on 22 next month)having difficulty breathing and walking. just so happens I just gave her 3rd dose of PNEUMABORT-K+1B in the morning. She is a little over 9 months. Has this happened to any of you's what was the outcome?! I gave her 10cc of Banamine and as soon as I did that she relaxed and wanted to eat! I gave a WARM bran mash and around 10:00 I went back out to watch her for a while and gave her a little grass with a little alfalfa. I will be checking her in a few minutes I really was so scared! she seemed to be ok last night her neck is still very stiff and so is her walking... Yes I called the VET who is a good friend of mine so I had the answers within 3 minutes of my call! (LUCKY TO HAVE MY FRIEND)

Anything anyone can add would be appreciated!

LB
 

Jan Owen
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: 1frosty1

Post Number: 1095
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Laurie~I am so glad she is feeling better! Kind of sounds like maybe her muscles were tight when the shot was administered? My mare had a hard time with her pneumabort shot once during her pregnancy and looked like she was colicky and stiff necked and then she developed a huge hard knot where the shot was administered. I can still feel a little bump in that spot....
 

Marilyn Lemke - Dora due 7/31/08
Senior Stallion or Mare
Username: Marilyn_l

Post Number: 1067
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's really scary Laurie! I haven't had this problem yet. I hope I don't, but she's doing better, that's very good!

I hope the rest of her pregnancy is uneventful!
Marilyn
 

Tracy Smith, Tali due 6/08
Breeding Stock
Username: Tracys

Post Number: 860
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That would of scared me to death! I've never had that happen, I've had the stiff neck before but not the breathing and problems walking. Poor girl :-(



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