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Lost mare and foal

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cheryle belitz
Neonate
Username: Cstar

Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last Tuesday I lost my mare and foal. The foal was coming upside down and ears first. The vet tried to pull the foal but couldn't. I won't go into the horrible details, but even after partial dismemberment, the foal still couldn't be pulled. Yes, the foal was already dead. The vet said we'd have to put the mare down. I just can't believe the vet couldn't do anything else to save my mare. Can't they do c-sections or something like that on mare?
Still heartbroken
 

Debbie Burnett
Weanling
Username: Horselady

Post Number: 38
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle;

Im so sorry for the loss of your foal and mare. We all feel the losses of our animals as to us, they are like family.

Perhaps a discussion with the attending vet would be a good idea once you have gotten over the shock of loss so he or she can explain what the options were, and why putting her down was the best option.
 

TX Breeder (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is heartbreaking. I worry every time a mare foals. We all understand your anguish over what you had to deal with. Talk to your vet, as Debbie suggested, after you have had time to grieve your loss.

Sometimes, these situations can not have the happy ending that we wish for. One difference in your mares condition could have changed what may have been possible in another situation. If after talking with your vet, you do not feel confident with him, then make a change for your future needs.

Once again, we all are saddened for you.
 

Kim k
Weanling
Username: Kimk

Post Number: 21
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to hear of your loss Cheryle. It has been only 7 months since we lost our cheerished friend and companion of 14 years. It is very hard to understand why some things happen. Learn the most you can from it, talk with your vet and become informed so you can make changes if you need to and learn for future decisions.

My heart breaks for you
 

Kim v.
Nursing Foal
Username: Twhgait

Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle, I'm so sorry for your loss. Give yourself time to grieve. It's very natural to want to know what happened and once it's been explained, you can make peace with it.
 

Jos
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Username: Jos

Post Number: 10078
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

C-sections are not commonly performed on-farm in the equine, as they are (for the horse) major surgery. C-sections in the cow are fairly commonplace, but the cows resilience to peritoneal infection is considerably better than the equines, and performing a C-section in anything but a sterile surgical suite on the horse carries an extremely high risk for subsequent peritonitis (and therefore death).
 

cheryle belitz
Neonate
Username: Cstar

Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you so much for everyone's reply. I'm trying to educate myself more so that I'll be better equipped to know what can be done and what I can do in an emergency. Even though I'm still having a hard time accepting the loss. I always called my mare my lap dog, 'cause if she could she would have sat in my lap. She was unusually loving.
 

Rebecca Bowen
Neonate
Username: Bbowen

Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle:

So very sorry to hear about your mare and foal. That is the most heartbreaking scenario and I know there are no words that can help right now.

FYI, there was discussion on another bulletin board about C-sections. The woman was able to rush her mare to the equine clinic in short order and they performed a C-section. The foal was saved and the mare made it through surgery, but was lost a couple of days later. From all I have read and heard, C-sections on horses are rarely, if ever, successful.
 

Molly (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So sorry to hear of your loss, Cheryle. I don't have any expertise to add. I just know it must have been a nightmare for you and my heart goes out to you. Take comfort in all the beautiful memories you shared with your mare. They will sustain you through this time of loss. If it is something you feel is appropriate you can put up a memorial to her and her foal on a website such as hoofbeats-in-heaven.
 

teb (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle,
Very sorry for your loss. On this board in the foal watch part, I described a horrific account of a mare that was stiched and tried to give birth on the farm I am at. (not my horse and they don't want any help and mare was in a far off field to boot) Anyway, foal was dead of course, but couldn't get the foal out. The mare was rushed to Lissadel Equine Clinic in Ireland who gave her a c-section. They did a super job and mare is now back home again and doing well. She did almost die one evening. Spent two weeks at the clinic. The vets did an amazing job. However, have heard of 2 other mares having to have c-sections this year and both resulted in the mare dying. Having a specialist clinic nearby is a big help, but still very hard surgery for the mare.
 

Anonymous
 
Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle,

I amso sorry for your lost. As I await my favorite mares delivery next week, my gut is wrenching. I truely feel my animals are my family too, Especially when you have taken an abused animals as with this mare, and gained her trust to be your lap dog. As you said. God bless and remember you did everything you could.
By the way My stallion who is 8 is this mares first colt he was huge and got stuck for quite some time, but all worked well. Hence his stall name of PITA. Pain in the ... well you know.
 

Renee (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheryle,
I am so sorry to hear of your loss, it is sad enough when we lose a foal, let alone the mare with it. I too have been in this situation, and my vet told me that a C-section was an option, but the mare may well be dead by the time we got her to the clinic (which is only 40mins away) and if she did last until we got her there, it was an extremely high risk, major surgery for the mare, and the sucess rate is not great.
He told me that the best way to have a C-section done is to have it organised before foaling, and have the mare at the clinic ready to go when she goes into labour. This way, the stress to the mare and foal is minimal, and (as with all foalings) the time is crucial, if the mare is already there and ready to go, then the success rate is alot higher.
So sorry again for your loss...
My heart goes out to you.
 

Anonymous
 
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My 10 year old arabian mare has just absorbed another pregnancy. This has happened twice; in both instances, she was confirmed in foal between 15-17 days and the embryo was gone on the 30-35 day recheck. The 2nd time, my vet put the mare on Regumate at 15 days when she checked in foal. Was she put on Regumate too late to really do any good? What else might cause pregnancy losses of this nature? Any help would be most appreciated. TIA!
 

delia Kramer
Neonate
Username: Delia

Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had an Arab mare that had a contracted foal back in 1987. It made me quit breeding for several years.
Khemalena tried foaling and couldn't, we called the vet and she came out. She said, "Either ship her to the clinic or put her down!"
The clinic was an hour and 1/2 away. We loaded her in the trailer and took her to the clinic. They did a C-section and saved my mare. We lost the foal.
They wondered at the clinic why someone would spend close to 5k on an arab. Well we had her mother and we raised her. It was NOT a smart business call! But she is family! And I would do it again. They also said she was the easiest mare to work with, and she is very sweet.
I beleive we put these mares in this position so we should be responsible for them. JMHO
I breed my Andalusian mares and sleep in the barn. We had a bit of trouble with Zorra this spring and had to pull the foal, but everyone was fine.
I am sorry for your loss as I know it is hard. Give yourself time to heal. You will heal. It takes along time tho...



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