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Mummified foal

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Mary Barrett
Neonate
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi, this is my first time posting here. But this looks like the right place to ask this question. My mare has a mummified foal. She was pronounced in foal and checked for heart beat(there was one), but uterus seemed small and lacking in tone, with some fluid. So we put her on regumate for 100 days. When checked again the uterus was small and hard, did blood tests and hormones were low, pregnancy died. So we took her off regumate, thought she would abort the dead fetus. Noticed her behavior was more of a pregnant mare than not, doesn't come into heat either. Had her checked this week and she has a mummified foal. My question is; what do I do now? My vet is looking into it, but I want to find out as much info as I can also. This was not a twin, it is bigger than a rat, and is not septic. Has anyone had experience with this? I do not want to rebreed, would like to find her a new career ounce this is settled.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1176
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What hormone levels were evaluated, and what were the readings?
 

Mary Barrett
Neonate
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The hormones were progesterone I believe (sorry this was done back in Nov. and I don't quite remember all the details) and the level was around 20. Anyway was way below the level for a viable foal, so we took her off the regumate.
 

Jos
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Post Number: 1179
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Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it was progesterone, and the units of measurement were ng/ml, then a reading of 20 (ng/ml) would be well above what is generally considered to be the minimum levels required to maintain pregnancy (2-4 ng/ml).

Next question - how was it determined that there was a "mummified foal"?

Final question (for the moment): What stage of pregnancy is she at now? A fetus at ~100 days should be about the size of a rat...
 

Mary Barrett
Neonate
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 06:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

At 100 days (in Nov.)she was blood tested and ultra sounded. When palpated the uterus was small and hard, not fluid filled, and no heart beat found. I was told by my vet that it was not a live pregnancy, so we took her off the regumate and thought she would pass it. Now (in Feb) I noticed her acting strangely and not coming into heat, she would have been around six months. So I had my vet back out to do a rectal exam, and the mass is still there. My vet thinks it could be acting as an IUD and stopping her from cycling. Will this go away on its own? Do I have to have it removed? I am not looking to breed her or sell her as a broodmare. But I would like to sell her as a riding horse, just need to take care of this situation first. Thank you.
 

Jos
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Username: Admin

Post Number: 1183
Registered: 10-1999
Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am aware of situations where a twin was not passed and had actually grown into the uterine wall, acting as your vet describes, as an IUD. In those cases it was necessary to surgically remove the fetus.

Bear in mind that many non-pregnant mares will not be coming into estrus ("heat") in February, as they are in winter anestrus, so that aspect may not be abnormal at all.

It is unlikely if this mare is carrying a mummified fetus, and has been doing so for 4+ months that it is going to resolve on its own - if it was going to, it would have done so by now.
 

Mary Barrett
Neonate
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It has been suggested to me to have a biopsy done on it just to know for sure what we are dealing with. Is this something you also would suggest? Also, what is involved in removing it, would this have to be done at a vet hospital or on the farm, and would it require a series of shots to open the cervix first?
If it were not removed and grew into the uterus wall what would be the ill effects if any?
It seems if I had not had her checked again by my vet that no one would have even known it was there, she is very comfortable and healthy.
Thank you again for all your help.
 

Beverly Outlaw
Breeding Stock
Username: Outlawpaints

Post Number: 169
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mary,

I would definetely have her checked to make sure she has the mummified foal and if she is carrying a foal (dead or otherwise) have it removed. it can make her septic. Also I know of one lady on a group i am on and she had an Arabian mare that carried a mummified foal for 12 months. the owner thought she was pregnant and about to give birth, but time came and went for mare to have the baby and didn't... In the long run of course she took the mare to some vet hospital and they did what was needed to check and sure enough it was mummified.

They had to go in through the side of the mare (cut an incision in the flank area) and cut the foal out piece by piece. Then had to remove of the ovaries. So i was told by the owner anyway... Her words not mine. the mare never acted sick or anything, but it could be very bad for the mare if the fetus id not removed.
she had the mare totally cleaned and should be awaiting a foal this year.

don't just leave it in there. If it does make the mare sick, she can become septic and cause founder, death etc.

Good luck and I hope your mare pulls throught his ok.. i am afraid it is very costly. but if you want to save your mare it is what needs to be done. If you can't afford it, some hospitals will take the mare and do the surgery, but you have to release the mare. (give her up)

good luck!
 

Jenni Luttrell
Weanling
Username: Bugrace2000

Post Number: 24
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I DONT KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP BUT I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS PREGNANT AT FOUR MONTHS THE FETUS WAS MUMMIFIED. SHE DIDNT WANT A C-SECTION SO THE DR. INDUCED LABOR AND SHE DELIVERED THE MUMMY JUST FINE. SHE HAS SINCE HAD A HEALTHY PREGNANCY. I KNOW THIS IS A HUMAN AND YOU'RE TALKING HORSES BUT IF THE FETUS HASNT GROWN INTO THE UTERUS MAYBE ITS POSSIBLE THAT SHE CAN BE INDUCED TO DELIVER. CHECK WITH YOUR VET
 

Mary Barrett
Neonate
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think that is the way we are heading. Want to try the least invasive way possible.
 

Mary Barrett
Yearling
Username: Twinlights

Post Number: 53
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just an update. We were waiting for warmer weather to do some hormone manipulation to get her to pass it in the least invasive manner. But last week she came into heat. So I had her examined by the vet today and.....ITS GONE! She passed it all on her own ounce the weather got warmer. Just thought I would pass that along.



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